uforce
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This will probably be the last one that I'll confirm haha - but yes to Citrulline Malate
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Tell Us What You Would Like to See From SNS & CEL (2021 Edition)
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ELROCK
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I would like to see that in there!
sns8778
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No, it won't be in there. Unfortunately, Creatinol O Phosphate just isn't that popular. It's a good ingredient for maximum endurance benefits but it just isn't in demand and didn't sell well when we made it as a single ingredient.
Hyde
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This will probably be the last one that I'll confirm haha - but yes to Citrulline Malate
MCC, Ag, Taurine, Cit Mal - this is sounding like a winner in my book! Thanks for the deets; keeping an eye out for this one later in the year.
sns8778
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Thank you. There are 11 total ingredients in the formula if it stays the same thru production.
I think some people are wanting to see unique or trendy ingredients in this but that's not what this product is meant to be. It's meant to cover a great number of ingredients that should be used daily for best results and combine them in one product for simplicity, convenience, and cost effectiveness.
I'd love to go all out and continue to add different things to it, but my fear is that we could very quickly price this past what people are willing to pay by continuing to add things to it.
Em3
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Citrulline has also been something I've known to be a pre-workout type "pump" supplement.
Agmatine sulfate was something I've seen also as a pre-workout "pump" supplement but also used as a "GDA" type supplement.
Is this ergo meant to be dosed as a pre work out? To me Ergo's were something just taken anytime of the day and that timing was typically irrelevant. The agmatine and citrulline lead me to not think of it as much of an Ergo. Maybe Agmatine and Citrulline have other benefits I am unaware of.
I think of things such as Peak02, Beta-Alanine, Betaine(TMG), and creatine. Though the Betaine some say can be dosed more optimally pre/post.
Agmatine sulfate was something I've seen also as a pre-workout "pump" supplement but also used as a "GDA" type supplement.
Is this ergo meant to be dosed as a pre work out? To me Ergo's were something just taken anytime of the day and that timing was typically irrelevant. The agmatine and citrulline lead me to not think of it as much of an Ergo. Maybe Agmatine and Citrulline have other benefits I am unaware of.
I think of things such as Peak02, Beta-Alanine, Betaine(TMG), and creatine. Though the Betaine some say can be dosed more optimally pre/post.
sns8778
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The daily use ergogenic is meant to combine many of the ingredients that people do &/or should use as daily use supplements.
Citrulline Malate is good for so much more than pumps. It has great studies on it for endurance and recovery but they are done based on daily use; so you don't necessarily get those benefits when using it just pre-workout.
Agmatine Sulfate is great for pumps and in GDA's like GlycoPhase, but it has so many daily use health benefits and also athletic purposes such as endurance, recovery, etc. It also has some great nootropic properties. But again, it gets lumped into the pre-workout and pump categories and many people don't realize how great it really is when used daily.
Beta Alanine is an ingredient that many people love and many people hate. For example, I personally will not take anything with Beta Alanine in it because I absolutely despise the tingle feeling and don't get used to it. And we offer it in a 501 capsule size which is a great value and easy for anyone to take and use in addition to it.
PEAK02 is a great ingredient for endurance and does need to be used daily, but again, products like this you have to stop somewhere with adding things or you price it out of range. And not everyone cares about endurance so some people may not be willing to pay for the price increase of adding it. And we offering it as a single ingredient product that makes it easy and convenient to dose daily for those that do like it. PLUS it tastes horrible and with something like the daily ergogenic meant to be used daily, taste is very important.
I've been excited for the daily use ergogenic all along for personal use purposes. One reason I have not been excited for it in some ways from a business standpoint is that there are so many possible options that its one of those things that will likely get nitpicked and no matter what we put in it, there are going to be some people that aren't pleased with it.
Since some of the feedback on this page is people wanting more endurance based things like PEAK02 and Beta Alanine in a daily use types of products, I will go ahead and drop another teaser that after the daily use ergogenic we will be doing a daily use product specifically for people that want increased endurance. It will be great for bodybuilders and fitness enthusiasts but will be absolutely awesome for athletes in sports such as cycling, boxing, MMA, basketball, hockey, soccer, etc.
sns8778
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Thank you. I think a lot of people really overlook how beneficial things like Citrulline Malate and Agmatine can be for daily use supplement purposes.
ELROCK
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It sure does sound like a winner to me too! I love all of those ingredients and am looking forward to an all in one product.
ELROCK
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I agree.
TMG, CoQ10 & PrimaVie and AstraGin would be great features in this product as well just sayin lol
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Segansational
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This is smart, it'll help open up to a different set of consumers. Runners, Spartan/obstacle course racers, crossfitters, etc.
GQdaLEGEND
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agree agmatine is magical stuff
pre, post, gda, sleep just to name what works for me
booneman77
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Same here... one of my few staples over the last few years. such a great general supp with benefits across the spectrum\
agree agmatine is magical stuff
pre, post, gda, sleep just to name what works for me
sns8778
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Thank you. I'm excited about both products. They will both have similarities but some differences that definitely will make them stand out to their desired customer bases.
poison
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Any curcumin updates? Time to re-up for me.
Hyde
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Joint Support XT (500mg of 95% extract) was able to replace my 900mg Vitamin Shoppe 95% extract capsules with even better results from a joint inflammation perspective.
sns8778
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I'm really glad that you're enjoying Joint Support XT and the C3 Curcumin that we are using in it is a great ingredient.
We hope to be releasing our Elite Curcumin product very soon. It's been in the production que but just keeps getting bumped back by a couple of other things. It is a very unique Curcumin product in that it contains 3 different clinically researched, licensed, branded forms of Curcumin + more.
GQdaLEGEND
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great to hear , agree such a great supplement .. my wife has knee pain and coritsol injection didnt do much
had her on over almost 2 months on new joint XT and *knock on wood* she's doing great
sns8778
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It's in the current production lineup, but as you know, its gotten bumped back a couple of times by things getting put in front of it so that we can keep stocks of existing items.
It's on the priority list so that should in theory put it to us within the next 2 weeks, but I hate to say 100% for sure because its been delayed before several times. I've had quite a bit of money tied up in raw materials for it for months now so I would very much like for it to come out very soon
Stachio
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sns8778
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I'm not going to reveal any of the ingredients until I have an accurate ETA for the launch.
I'm sorry, but sometimes there are agreements when dealing with branded ingredients that consumers don't see that make companies have to do things a certain way.
I will say that we have also considered doing a stand alone Theracurmin for a different marketing pathway; BUT I do not think there will be any one form on the market that will be better than the combination we are using in our Elite Curcumin product
AwakeningAlpha
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well dosed Turkesterone , Ecdysterone and Laxogenin?
Thanks!
Thanks!
sns8778
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I think it was covered somewhere in this thread - the raw material issues with Turkesterone and Ecdysterone raw materials. The cliff notes version is that legit raw materials are insanely expensive if trying to dose by the doses in studies and that even then, there are different testing methods for the raw materials that may show the test result being completely differently. For example, you may have a product that tests out 95% by UV but then doesn't even test out 25% by HPLC. So its a very expensive and very confusing ingredient and to offer it legitimately, the price is more than great formulas like Anabolic Effect is or Anabolic XT will be.
I do appreciate the suggestion though. And its still a project I have an open mind to. Its just unfortunately one of those where no matter how we do it, it won't be good enough for someone and will get nit picked haha.
Laxogenin is on the FDA advisory list so I don't see us doing that one. It has a pretty bad reputation on here in general of people not being pleased with it, so we would get some backlash if we did it anyway. But we were considering it right before the FDA added it to the advisory list but that pretty much sealed it for us that we aren't going to do one.
poison
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It's in the current production lineup, but as you know, its gotten bumped back a couple of times by things getting put in front of it so that we can keep stocks of existing items.
It's on the priority list so that should in theory put it to us within the next 2 weeks, but I hate to say 100% for sure because its been delayed before several times. I've had quite a bit of money tied up in raw materials for it for months now so I would very much like for it to come out very soon
Sounds good!
sns8778
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Thank you. Yeah, probably wouldn't be around too long if I tried to offer that combo haha.
Thank you for the suggestions in the other thread as well.
Part of what I think is interesting about anti-aging is that it means something different to almost everyone.
ironkill
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Agreed on your last statement. I'm sure whatever you come up with will be a hit. Look forward to the upcoming products
sns8778
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Glad to have you here. I'd love to hear any ideas that you ever have.
sns8778
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Optimize-T should hopefully be out within the next 2 weeks.
After that, I'll focus on getting Libido Boost XT finalized and into production
Josh141090
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Are there any updates with the SNS Anabolic and new CEL supplements??
GQdaLEGEND
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Gaba is pretty good, if you havent tried it before think you will reap great benefits from it
Sleep Assist sounds pretty fantastic too ..another very underated product is SNS growth Factor XT with 3-OH Gaba.
sns8778
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Optimize-T should be out in less than 2 weeks I hope. No promises bc we're constantly having to move around production schedule due to out of stocks.
Anabolic XT should be very shortly after that and then be followed by Phosphatidic Acid XT and Recomp20.
For the new CEL products, formulas are done and labels are either done or being printed now. I would say best guess realistic timeline would be around 6 weeks but its really impossible to give accurate ETA's right now with so many delays to the supply chain in this industry.
sns8778
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We've had labels done for this one for quite some time so it should be within the next 4 to 6 weeks we're hoping.
The delay is really that its just gotten bumped back a couple times by other products getting put in front of it.
I'm looking very forward to it myself
kjscatch
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I have been enjoying GABA mood effects but it seems to keep me awake. So I prefer to take it in the morning or mid-afternoon. I also get a small tingling feeling like BA. Thought that was weird but maybe that's normal.
determination
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Any updates on the blood pressure or cardiovascular supplements?
sns8778
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That isn't normal but it is something that does happen to a small amount of people with GABA.
It's kind of similar to how Phenibut (form of GABA) knocks most people out but you come across the occasional person that it gives a great positive mood boost and some energy to.
I'm glad you're enjoying GABA for the mood boosting effects.
sns8778
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Blood Pressure Support XT shouldn't be too terribly long.
For Cardiovascular Support XT, I think we have the formula pretty much finalized. It should be out within the next few months but too early to tell even a close ETA yet.
I think the formula for Cholesterol Support XT is pretty much finalized as well
Hyde
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Blood Pressure Support XT shouldn't be too terribly long.
For Cardiovascular Support XT, I think we have the formula pretty much finalized. It should be out within the next few months but too early to tell even a close ETA yet.
I think the formula for Cholesterol Support XT is pretty much finalized as well
Now these are Christmas gifts I can get down with!
Oconns28
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Finished up bottle 1 of Anabolic Effect and I forgot how much it just feels like things click around this point. Really feeling good physically. Last weekend I went away to a cottage and ate tons of food and even drank most of the weekend(I only drink a couple times per year). I expected to be up in weight and feel bloated but I was actually down 1.5lbs and felt leaner. I purchased 2 bottles and was hoping to move from these to the new Anabolic but I’ll happily purchase 1 more AE to do a 12 week run before Anabolic XT.
Smont
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Sorry if I missed it, but have you released the ingredients for these products, I'm interested in all 3 of them lolBlood Pressure Support XT shouldn't be too terribly long.
For Cardiovascular Support XT, I think we have the formula pretty much finalized. It should be out within the next few months but too early to tell even a close ETA yet.
I think the formula for Cholesterol Support XT is pretty much finalized as well
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Just saw that there getting finished, in for updates
sns8778
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I'm glad that you're interested in them.
The formulas are pretty much all done, just a matter of confirming a few things.
I don't like to do ingredient reveals until we get pretty close to product releases.
Smont
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Those 3 categories are my main concern on cycles so I'd definitely like to see what there all about. It's also nice whin I can find a product that has multiple ingredients I like as it's kinda a pain in the ass going through 10-15 bottles and filling up a pill container for the week
sns8778
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Blood Pressure Support XT will primarily target blood pressure but will have overall cardiovascular health benefits.
Cholesterol Support XT will primarily target cholesterol but will have overall cardiovascular health benefits.
Cardiovascular Support XT will target overall cardiovascular health and will have blood pressure and cholesterol support benefits but will also be more broad reaching and have things to support circulation, blood flow, and many other aspects of cardiovascular health.
You mentioned your main categories of concern on cycle, so I wanted to mention that we also have a Kidney support product that the formula is completed for as well.
sns8778
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I'm glad that you're enjoying it. And that's awesome to hear on the weekend and results and feeling.
As far as Anabolic XT, I'm not sure an exact release date but it should be out sometime in your Anabolic Effect cycle if you're running it to 16 weeks and if so, you could stack it with it or switch from one to the other.
Juiceman
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Really stoked for Phosphatidic Acid! I had great results eating Soy Lecithin Granuales but can’t stand consuming them. What will the dosing look like?
