Tell Us What You Would Like to See From SNS & CEL (2021 Edition)

What about 1-DHEA, 4-DHEA? Hard sell with dosages required? I would think it would complement Stano-plex well. Of which I just started for the first time and loving btw.
 
ZOO said:
My knee would agree haha
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So I didn’t do lower body all last week deloading for a meet last Sunday. Started Joint Support beginning of last week. My left knee has been painful/wonky. Squat 573 without knee wraps Sunday. By yesterday, 3 days after the heaviest squat of the macrocycle (hell, in the last 11 months), my knee feels better than it has in many months.

It doesn’t work like that. You don’t max out on squat and then hurt less. It has to be the joint support. I haven’t been taking any more Mk or Var since Sunday. The only thing that is new is the Joint Support XT building up.

And I was using 900mg curcumin daily prior to this, so I actually cut my Curcumin intake almost in half with the switch. It’s the sum of the parts in the product.
 
Hyde said:
So I didn’t do lower body all last week deloading for a meet last Sunday. Started Joint Support beginning of last week. My left knee has been painful/wonky. Squat 573 without knee wraps Sunday. By yesterday, 3 days after the heaviest squat of the macrocycle (hell, in the last 11 months), my knee feels better than it has in many months.

It doesn’t work like that. You don’t max out on squat and then hurt less. It has to be the joint support. I haven’t been taking any more Mk or Var since Sunday. The only thing that is new is the Joint Support XT building up.

And I was using 900mg curcumin daily prior to this, so I actually cut my Curcumin intake almost in half with the switch. It’s the sum of the parts in the product.
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If that’s not some solid ass feedback I don’t know what is haha. Glad you’re feeling better and strong man. How was the event overall?
 
ZOO said:
If that’s not some solid ass feedback I don’t know what is haha. Glad you’re feeling better and strong man. How was the event overall?
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Yeah I’m really surprised to feel such an improvement in only 10-11 days of use, but pleasantly so!

First meet with a baby, but it was fun. My back is just cashed out & due for a rehab, so I didn’t get to squat to my true potential or basically deadlift at all ( lowered my opening pull to just 501 & had to call it a day there; normally I would pull 600+). But bench is stronger than ever, smoked 363 at 242 & also pressed out 380 as well but got red lighted for my butt fluttering on the bench mid lift.

Nothing torn off, so life is good!
 
50Magnum said:
well I believe it had the similar profile but with carb profile being acknowledged.
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Agreed. I meant that looks like a retailer or someone may have altered the image bc I never remember the original one having that error on it.
 
Hyde said:
Yeah I’m really surprised to feel such an improvement in only 10-11 days of use, but pleasantly so!

First meet with a baby, but it was fun. My back is just cashed out & due for a rehab, so I didn’t get to squat to my true potential or basically deadlift at all ( lowered my opening pull to just 501 & had to call it a day there; normally I would pull 600+). But bench is stronger than ever, smoked 363 at 242 & also pressed out 380 as well but got red lighted for my butt fluttering on the bench mid lift.

Nothing torn off, so life is good!
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Great job, Hyde! Hell just walking away without an injury is the biggest victory. Solid bench nonetheless. Flutter dat azzzzzz XD
 
Hyde said:
So I didn’t do lower body all last week deloading for a meet last Sunday. Started Joint Support beginning of last week. My left knee has been painful/wonky. Squat 573 without knee wraps Sunday. By yesterday, 3 days after the heaviest squat of the macrocycle (hell, in the last 11 months), my knee feels better than it has in many months.

It doesn’t work like that. You don’t max out on squat and then hurt less. It has to be the joint support. I haven’t been taking any more Mk or Var since Sunday. The only thing that is new is the Joint Support XT building up.

And I was using 900mg curcumin daily prior to this, so I actually cut my Curcumin intake almost in half with the switch. It’s the sum of the parts in the product.
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That's great to hear. Thank you for sharing. And congrats on your meet and I'm glad that your knee is better.

If you don't mind, if you ever wanted to do a mini review just saying what this post says that I could l link people to that want to see feedback on it, that would be great if you don't mind.
 
Fly_boy said:
What about 1-DHEA, 4-DHEA? Hard sell with dosages required? I would think it would complement Stano-plex well. Of which I just started for the first time and loving btw.
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Thank you, I'm glad that you're enjoying Stano-Plex.

We have considered doing an Androsterone because we've been asked a couple of times.

The 1-DHEA and 4-DHEA patents are owned by Hi-Tech so they only license them to their companies or certain other companies; so those wouldn't be doable for us.
 
poison said:
Hows Curcumin looking? :D
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I hate giving ETA's bc then things happen and it seems like I was giving false ones. It's in the current production lineup but we did have to put some things in front of it that we ran out of stock or low stock on. But shouldn't be long.
 
Oconns28 said:
Excited to see you also mentioning new Preworkout options as well! Where are they roughly in your release plans?
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Thank you. I don't like to give ETA's on flavored powders because there are too many variables that can lead to delays.

I will say there are more than 1 option being worked on in this category.

Marne40 said:
This piqued my interest as well since I’m looking for a new pre (well, always looking around at different options).
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Thank you. The pre-workout market is a tough one bc some people want loaded high end, some people want the cheapest thing possible and just loaded with caffeine, and some people want an in between.

Right now, we have multiple ones in the works.

For SNS, we will be doing a very comprehensive and loaded stim and stim free pre-workout powder.

For SNS, we will also be doing something along the lines of like Total War; something midline, good, but still hitting that 29.99'ish or less price point for 30 servings.

^^^ For that one, if anyone has any name suggestions, I'd love to hear them. I want a name that can be the name for it and that we could also add something on to to make a fat burning version or an Xtreme version.

For CEL, I'll go ahead and say that people that want a high stim pre really have something to look forward too in Stim Edge :)
^^^ No idea on an ETA bc this is proving difficult to flavor bc it has so many ingredients that don't taste good; we'll get it right, just going to take some time.
 
A total war competitor? Armageddon? Nuclear holocaust? Too much? What about Skirmish?
 
Not the best with supplement names, but if you’re looking for something along the war theme, maybe Fallout, Nuclear Winter, Doomsday. I like Armageddon, but I think there’s already a pre with that name.
 
I'm tossing Battle Joy out there but I'm going to use it if Steve doesn't haha
 
sns8778 said:
Thank you, I'm glad that you're enjoying Stano-Plex.

We have considered doing an Androsterone because we've been asked a couple of times.

The 1-DHEA and 4-DHEA patents are owned by Hi-Tech so they only license them to their companies or certain other companies; so those wouldn't be doable for us.
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Yes to androsterone please.
 
sns8778 said:
Thank you, I'm glad that you're enjoying Stano-Plex.

We have considered doing an Androsterone because we've been asked a couple of times.

The 1-DHEA and 4-DHEA patents are owned by Hi-Tech so they only license them to their companies or certain other companies; so those wouldn't be doable for us.
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i think androsterone would do well and would compliment stano plex nicely.

ToxAF said:
Yes to androsterone please.
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please make a yohimbe free version if you do a preworkout.

idk what made me think of this but does anyone remember the original muscleparm assault?? omg i wanted to drink that stuff constantly just for the taste. lmao
 
uforce said:
please make a yohimbe free version if you do a preworkout.

idk what made me think of this but does anyone remember the original muscleparm assault?? omg i wanted to drink that stuff constantly just for the taste. lmao
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agree that blue raspberry flavor was delicious .. overall profile wasnt impressive to me .. i think it was mainly CEE & Kre-Alk which is always hit and miss with people

that thick taste was from carbs .. now a days people dont want carbs in their pre

but yea i do remember assault & bulletproof lol
 
GQdaLEGEND said:
agree that blue raspberry flavor was delicious .. overall profile wasnt impressive to me .. i think it was mainly CEE & Kre-Alk which is always hit and miss with people

that thick taste was from carbs .. now a days people dont want carbs in their pre

but yea i do remember assault & bulletproof lol
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yeah, i wouldn’t want the carbs now either. i miss those days. lol
 
uforce said:
yeah, i wouldn’t want the carbs now either. i miss those days. lol
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def man .. between 2004-2008 were the best days .. remember it like yesterday .. but if you ask me what i did yesterday i wont remember lol
 
poison said:
A total war competitor? Armageddon? Nuclear holocaust? Too much? What about Skirmish?
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Thank you for the suggestions.

What I always do is put all ideas on a spreadsheet. I like doing that because sometimes it winds up where combine or two ideas and come up with it.

Armageddon or Nuclear aren't too much; but couldn't use Holocaust in it.
 
uforce said:
please make a yohimbe free version if you do a preworkout.

idk what made me think of this but does anyone remember the original muscleparm assault?? omg i wanted to drink that stuff constantly just for the taste. lmao
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That's a good example of what I mean about doing different ones to appeal to different people.

The ingredient combination in the high end one will taste good for what it is, but it's impossible to make the ingredients taste but so good.

Which is one of the reasons (along with 30 servings) of wanting to make a more basic one along the lines of Total War because it will leave some things out but will also be able to make it taste better.
 
sns8778 said:
That's a good example of what I mean about doing different ones to appeal to different people.

The ingredient combination in the high end one will taste good for what it is, but it's impossible to make the ingredients taste but so good.

Which is one of the reasons (along with 30 servings) of wanting to make a more basic one along the lines of Total War because it will leave some things out but will also be able to make it taste better.
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i think that’s a wise move boss man
 
poison said:
A total war competitor? Armageddon? Nuclear holocaust? Too much? What about Skirmish?
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Marne40 said:
Not the best with supplement names, but if you’re looking for something along the war theme, maybe Fallout, Nuclear Winter, Doomsday. I like Armageddon, but I think there’s already a pre with that name.
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Thanks. I wanted to clarify, I was using Total War as an example of the type of product we would want to make something to compete with. The name wouldn't have to be along that theme or route at all.

I'm completely open to name suggestions.
 
uforce said:
i think that’s a wise move boss man
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Thank you. I appreciate that.

We want to make things to appeal to the different people.
 
sns8778 said:
Thanks. I wanted to clarify, I was using Total War as an example of the type of product we would want to make something to compete with. The name wouldn't have to be along that theme or route at all.

I'm completely open to name suggestions.
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Just call it "The Dry Scooper" and kids will litterally eat it up haha.
 
test112 said:
What is the latest thinking on Catuaba? Does it have any promise or potential inclusion in SNS products?
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have you tried it , if so which extract ?

I was reading studies on this sometimes last month .. someone had message'd me about it

looks promising for pain relief, sexual health
 
sns8778 said:
Thank you. I appreciate that.

We want to make things to appeal to the different people.
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I actually really like the approach of different "tiers". Not everyone wants to be always stimmed out of their mind as an example. But certain days, I do! Alpha Lion does this with their Superhuman Pre and Supreme versions.

Now, to be fair I only ever buy the Supreme...
 
Ziyo said:
What’s everyone’s take on Cognizin and NeuroFactor?
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AlphaGPC & Caffeine Anhydrous both hit harder/more obviously/better for me. These two feel like subtler brethren of the former, respectively.

You are never going to go wrong with choline & caffeine, for learning, working or training - but after that it’s just preferences when discussing forms.
 
test112 said:
What is the latest thinking on Catuaba? Does it have any promise or potential inclusion in SNS products?
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I'm still open to it, its just not something we get asked for. And in talking to a few people that tried it, some people seem to get some Yohimbine like sides from it. I had considered it for the upcoming libido product, but the other ingredients we have picked for that are honestly better in my opinion.
 
TheMrMuscle said:
Just call it "The Dry Scooper" and kids will litterally eat it up haha.
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I have officially lost faith in common sense. I wonder how long it will be before they start mixing their tide pods with the pre-workouts :cry:
 
Ziyo said:
What’s everyone’s take on Cognizin and NeuroFactor?
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Cognizin is a branded form of Citicoline. People are going to argue probably until the end of time which is better between Alpha GPC and Citicoline when the truthful answer is try both and see which one works best for you. We're considering doing a combo product with both of them.

Neurofactor is very overhyped in a sense. It's a good ingredient with good data IF you use it daily. But the way brands are throwing it in products that aren't meant to be used daily is really just using it as window dressing and as a sales pitch. We may use it in a few things, but it really does need to be used daily for best results.
 
sns8778 said:
Cognizin is a branded form of Citicoline. People are going to argue probably until the end of time which is better between Alpha GPC and Citicoline when the truthful answer is try both and see which one works best for you. We're considering doing a combo product with both of them.

Neurofactor is very overhyped in a sense. It's a good ingredient with good data IF you use it daily. But the way brands are throwing it in products that aren't meant to be used daily is really just using it as window dressing and as a sales pitch. We may use it in a few things, but it really does need to be used daily for best results.
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Hmm I see.
I used to take one of these preworkouts that used to have both of the ingredients in and it was my favourite preworkout. Never tried them stand alone..
 
ZOO said:
The more I think on it the more I like the idea of a USP Labs "corrected clones" series that is a transparent version of some their classic products... but without the "suspected spiking" (emphasis on suspect as I do not want to make false assertions). It's probably the nostalgia in me but it is very appealing. Not sure if XT is mandatory as a component but if not maybe something like:

- Recomp 20 (Compound 20)
- Revise (Recreate)
- Ignit3 (Jack3d)
- Black Magic (Pink Magic) - not sure if you can put "black" or "white" on a label anymore though... srs
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bumping this quote; but isn't pink magic still getting released by hi-tech since they bought USP Labs? I looked at the ingredient profile it has sme test boosting ingredients with a lil epi andro. Here is the formula

Eucommia Ulmoides 100:1 Extract (bark) (as Andro100) 750mg *

Tribulus Terrestris Extract (as Testosurge) (fruit) 375mg *

Massularia Acuminata Aqueous Extract 300mg *

Fenugreek 50% Extract (Standardized to Fenusides) 300mg *

Maca Extract (as MacaPure) (root) 157.5mg *

Dioscorea Makino Extract 75mg *

(Rhizome and aerial parts) (Standardized to extract ratio: 50-67:1)(equal to 3.75-5.025 grams of whole plant)

Proprietary Adaptogen and Protein Synthesis Compound:

Rhaponticum Carthamoides 98% Extract (root) 130mg * (Turkesterone)

Epiandrosterone 150mg *

25(R)-spirostan-22a-O-3b,5a,6b-Triol (Super Laxongenin) 150mg *
 
50Magnum said:
bumping this quote; but isn't pink magic still getting released by hi-tech since they bought USP Labs? I looked at the ingredient profile it has sme test boosting ingredients with a lil epi andro. Here is the formula

Eucommia Ulmoides 100:1 Extract (bark) (as Andro100) 750mg *

Tribulus Terrestris Extract (as Testosurge) (fruit) 375mg *

Massularia Acuminata Aqueous Extract 300mg *

Fenugreek 50% Extract (Standardized to Fenusides) 300mg *

Maca Extract (as MacaPure) (root) 157.5mg *

Dioscorea Makino Extract 75mg *

(Rhizome and aerial parts) (Standardized to extract ratio: 50-67:1)(equal to 3.75-5.025 grams of whole plant)

Proprietary Adaptogen and Protein Synthesis Compound:

Rhaponticum Carthamoides 98% Extract (root) 130mg * (Turkesterone)

Epiandrosterone 150mg *

25(R)-spirostan-22a-O-3b,5a,6b-Triol (Super Laxongenin) 150mg *
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yeah it looks like they are. We can call this one Fuchsia Magic lol
 
25(R)-spirostan-22a-O-3b,5a,6b-Triol (Super Laxongenin) 150mg

^ are they being clever with the name or this is something new ?

OLD >
25R-Diol [(3b,5a,6a,25R)-spirostan-3,6-diol)
25R-X [(25R)-6-Oxospirost-5-en-3b-ol]
 
GQdaLEGEND said:
25(R)-spirostan-22a-O-3b,5a,6b-Triol (Super Laxongenin) 150mg

^ are they being clever with the name or this is something new ?

OLD >
25R-Diol [(3b,5a,6a,25R)-spirostan-3,6-diol)
25R-X [(25R)-6-Oxospirost-5-en-3b-ol]
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I think its jus 25(R)-spirostan same ingredient that was in that product Massfx back in the day. Its not laxo.... I dont know why they got their tribulus listed as testosurge and not the fenugreek..........
 
50Magnum said:
I think its jus 25(R)-spirostan same ingredient that was in that product Massfx back in the day. Its not laxo.... I dont know why they got their tribulus listed as testosurge and not the fenugreek..........
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I got some surprising results from Mass FX Black years ago. Like, I do wonder if it was spiked honestly.
 
Hyde said:
I got some surprising results from Mass FX Black years ago. Like, I do wonder if it was spiked honestly.
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same here .. ever since i have been looking for those 25R but havent found a decent one
 
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