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Is there a reason why there are no more Divanil solo supplements? Legit they do not exist anymore
We use it in M-Test. I think its a great ingredient in a formula but just not really popular to warrant being a single ingredient product.
 
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Is there a reason why there are no more Divanil solo supplements? Legit they do not exist anymore
have you looked for "stinging nettle" as that I see around pretty often?
 
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have you looked for "stinging nettle" as that I see around pretty often?
Divanil would have a higher percentage of certain active constituents that regular stinging nettle would.
 
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Maybe a strong and concentrated extract of Ecklonia Cava?
Is there a particular extract of it that you have in mind? It can be extracted a few different ways for different purposes, but a lot of people seem to prefer the full spectrum to get a variety of the benefits.
 

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Is there a particular extract of it that you have in mind? It can be extracted a few different ways for different purposes, but a lot of people seem to prefer the full spectrum to get a variety of the benefits.
I haven't tried any extract yet, I was looking at the swanson 80:1 and another brand's 20:1, but the 20:1 doesnt specify the % of actives. I was looking for it to increase endurance.
 
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I haven't tried any extract yet, I was looking at the swanson 80:1 and another brand's 20:1, but the 20:1 doesnt specify the % of actives. I was looking for it to increase endurance.
Opinions are going to vary on this one but in my opinion if you're looking to increase endurance, then I would go for a full spectrum.

I think that Ecklonia is a good ingredient and we may use it in something in the future. And I do think that it has potential for endurance but for straight endurance, I think PEAK02 is a much better ingredient.
 
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Opinions are going to vary on this one but in my opinion if you're looking to increase endurance, then I would go for a full spectrum.

I think that Ecklonia is a good ingredient and we may use it in something in the future. And I do think that it has potential for endurance but for straight endurance, I think PEAK02 is a much better ingredient.
Peak02 doesn't seem to be as good as a good codycepts like mst cordygen
 
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Peak02 doesn't seem to be as good as a good codycepts like mst cordygen
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and sometimes things work different in different people.

In the case of PEAK02, it has been clinically researched and has clinical study backing from UNC Chapel Hill.

If a generic extract of Cordyceps is better, or if the supplier thinks its better, they should definitely have some studies of their own done on it.

And I'm not knocking Cordyceps at all. We've been asked to do one and we probably will for the people that like it, but feedback on PEAK02 has been overwhelmingly positive not just for us, but for other companies that use it in products.

Also, I have a medical condition that greatly affects my endurance levels. PEAK02 is probably the best thing I've ever used to increase cardiovascular & muscular endurance.
 
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I have been enjoying 200mg of Sabroxy (uplifting energetic focus), 200mg Polygala Tenuifolia 20:1 (mood lifting) and 200mg caffeine.

I have been doing this 2 days a week and not on back to back days.
Not really a reason for not using Sabroxy daily, but it stacks well with Polygala and I only want to use that twice a week. Polygala is good for acute occasional use for me. I noticed some sides when I used it daily.

Plus I use other things on other days.
What sides have you noticed from Polygala and at what dosing if you don't mind me asking?
 
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What sides have you noticed from Polygala and at what dosing if you don't mind me asking?
Lowers my libido when I use it daily. It also becomes inconsistent for me when I use it everyday.

It works pretty well when I use it a couple days a week. I use ND’s 200mg 20:1 extract capsules.
 
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Lowers my libido when I use it daily. It also becomes inconsistent for me when I use it everyday.

It works pretty well when I use it a couple days a week. I use ND’s 200mg 20:1 extract capsules.
Thank you for sharing. I'm looking to add some more single ingredient nootropics to the lineup and also working on a couple of formulas; so its really important to avoid anything that has much in the way of sides for the formula ones.
 
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Thank you for sharing. I'm looking to add some more single ingredient nootropics to the lineup and also working on a couple of formulas; so its really important to avoid anything that has much in the way of sides for the formula ones.
I am not sure if others notice this or if it’s just the way it works with me? Regardless, it is an interesting nootropic that does give me a nice mood boost with some added focus. It is worth looking into for sure.
 
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Na-R-ALA powder would be a cool addition. Or a complex with other forms like R-ALA
Thanks for the suggestion. It is so expensive that if we did it, we'd probably do a capsule version just to be able to reach the maximum amount of customers. It seems like especially for higher price/lower dose options many customers prefer capsules.
 
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and sometimes things work different in different people.

In the case of PEAK02, it has been clinically researched and has clinical study backing from UNC Chapel Hill.

If a generic extract of Cordyceps is better, or if the supplier thinks its better, they should definitely have some studies of their own done on it.

And I'm not knocking Cordyceps at all. We've been asked to do one and we probably will for the people that like it, but feedback on PEAK02 has been overwhelmingly positive not just for us, but for other companies that use it in products.

Also, I have a medical condition that greatly affects my endurance levels. PEAK02 is probably the best thing I've ever used to increase cardiovascular & muscular endurance.
I was just saying cordygen was better than peak02 for me. Not generic cordycepts
 
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I was just saying cordygen was better than peak02 for me. Not generic cordycepts
In your original post, you didn't say - for you. You said that it didn't seem as good as; like as a general statement. That's why I said that everyone is entitled to their own opinion and things work differently for different people. We've had a lot of people say that PEAK02 works better than Cordygen, I just don't like to compare directly to other companies products.

But when comparing the ingredients head to head - one has clinical studies and one doesn't. That's not a knock against their extract. That's why I said that if their supplier truly feels like the extract they provide them with is better, they should do clinical studies on it too.

What I meant by a generic extract is that the type of Cordyceps used in Cordygen is a generic extract - meaning that its not a clinically researched branded ingredient. That wasn't an insult; and that's why I explained in the post that if it was truly that good, the supplier that provides it to them should consider having some studies done on it.

^^^^ that's not a knock on it. We're looking at doing a Cordyceps and several other mushroom products so if their vendor did have good clinical data, that would give them a competitive advantage over other suppliers.

I hope that makes sense.
 
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I am not sure if others notice this or if it’s just the way it works with me? Regardless, it is an interesting nootropic that does give me a nice mood boost with some added focus. It is worth looking into for sure.
Thank you. I really appreciate the feedback and feel like we will likely offer it at least as a single ingredient.
 
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In your original post, you didn't say - for you. You said that it didn't seem as good as; like as a general statement. That's why I said that everyone is entitled to their own opinion and things work differently for different people. We've had a lot of people say that PEAK02 works better than Cordygen, I just don't like to compare directly to other companies products.

But when comparing the ingredients head to head - one has clinical studies and one doesn't. That's not a knock against their extract. That's why I said that if their supplier truly feels like the extract they provide them with is better, they should do clinical studies on it too.

What I meant by a generic extract is that the type of Cordyceps used in Cordygen is a generic extract - meaning that its not a clinically researched branded ingredient. That wasn't an insult; and that's why I explained in the post that if it was truly that good, the supplier that provides it to them should consider having some studies done on it.

^^^^ that's not a knock on it. We're looking at doing a Cordyceps and several other mushroom products so if their vendor did have good clinical data, that would give them a competitive advantage over other suppliers.

I hope that makes sense.
IDK sure looks like they call it oxycepts ATP on the bottle and it's trademarked. So doesn't seem to be generic. You're missing out :)
 
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In your original post, you didn't say - for you. You said that it didn't seem as good as; like as a general statement. That's why I said that everyone is entitled to their own opinion and things work differently for different people. We've had a lot of people say that PEAK02 works better than Cordygen, I just don't like to compare directly to other companies products.

But when comparing the ingredients head to head - one has clinical studies and one doesn't. That's not a knock against their extract. That's why I said that if their supplier truly feels like the extract they provide them with is better, they should do clinical studies on it too.

What I meant by a generic extract is that the type of Cordyceps used in Cordygen is a generic extract - meaning that its not a clinically researched branded ingredient. That wasn't an insult; and that's why I explained in the post that if it was truly that good, the supplier that provides it to them should consider having some studies done on it.

^^^^ that's not a knock on it. We're looking at doing a Cordyceps and several other mushroom products so if their vendor did have good clinical data, that would give them a competitive advantage over other suppliers.

I hope that makes sense.
I would love to see you offer a good cordyceps extract! The only reason I didn’t suggest it is because I know you offer Peak02 and feel it’s better. Personally, I prefer cordyceps extract solo.
 
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IDK sure looks like they call it oxycepts ATP on the bottle and it's trademarked. So doesn't seem to be generic. You're missing out :)
I really hate engaging in conversations like this. Please take my reply as being informative and not as being a jerk, because I really do like you and appreciate your contributions on here. Plus, my post isn't just to you, its to anyone reading now or in the future bc a lot of people say they like when I explain things like this.

But I do know what I'm talking about being that I deal with branded ingredients and branded ingredient companies for a living :)

First, you seem to keep thinking I don't like the ingredient. That's not the case. What I don't like is comparing our products to other companies because I find it to be disrespectful to them. That's always been my stance.

I think it as this thread that I'd already said we were looking at doing multiple types of mushroom products in; and had already talked with Nammex, one of the leading trusted suppliers of mushrooms and mushroom extracts in the world.

There are generally three types of branded ingredients:
1) Branded ingredients that have clinical studies that have trademarks on their particular branded name
2) Branded ingredients that have clinical studies, trademarks on their branded name, & ingredient &/or usage patents.
3) Branded ingredients from suppliers that just use a trademarked name that signifies it comes from them.

A great example of #3 is Cornerstone HICA. Cornerstone HICA is a branded ingredient of Creative Compounds and customers and suppliers can identify it as their branded ingredient by that name. However, there is nothing special or significant about their HICA over any other type of HICA that would be the same % purity. And rightfully, they don't claim that there is.

PEAK02 is an example of one that does have the trademark and clinical studies on it. And as explained above, they license it out to a variety of companies, its not specific to us. Some of the companies that use it are - SNS, Scivation, Core Nutritionals, Genius Brand, and many more. Most companies use it in formulas and the clinical studies were on daily use so that's why we offer it as a single ingredient so that people can use it daily for best results.

However, in the case of Oxyceps ATP, it may have a tm symbol after it but that doesn't make it a trademarked ingredient. I know at first glance that may seem confusing so let me explain.
- Anyone can put a tm symbol after anything but that doesn't mean its a registered trademark. You can verify for yourself by typing it in at the US trademark site and nothing comes up. However, that's not a bad thing; let me keep explaining.
- A true branded ingredient in the senses of #'s 1 and 2 above would have to be actually trademarked to be able to license them out to other brands. When this is the case, you would see them licensed to a number of brands, not just 1. And a quick google search will show that the only listings that come up for Oxyceps ATP are MST listings (again, not a bad thing)
- What Oxyceps ATP is, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with this at all, is a 'nickname' given to the blend that they use that they want people to associate with only their brand. Think of it as a similar concept as example # 3 above.

And that is what led me to the statement I made earlier in the thread where I said if their ingredient was that good, I'm surprised that they, or their supplier hadn't tried to have a study done on it so that they could license it out to other brands and make money off of it bc that would be a smart business move for them.

I hope this all makes sense and that you can see that I was never at any point trying to put them down in any way.


In regards to your 'I'm missing out comment'; unfortunately, it didn't work for me. I tried it years ago when I was first diagnosed with one of the conditions that I have and some rep at the time (and I apologize that I cannot remember whom) sent me some bottles, which I very much appreciated. I never posted publicly that they didn't work for me bc if you look at my posts over the years, you'll find that I'm a big proponent of the concept that different supplements work different for different people and that just bc something doesn't work for me, doesn't mean it isn't a great product for others.

So again, some people say they like Cordyceps better than PEAK02- cool.
A lot of people like PEAK02 better than Cordyceps - cool.

We're going to be doing several mushrooms soon including a Cordyceps for people that prefer it, so I hope that - super cool :)
 
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I would love to see you offer a good cordyceps extract! The only reason I didn’t suggest it is because I know you offer Peak02 and feel it’s better. Personally, I prefer cordyceps extract solo.
PEAK02 is great but I'm not opposed to offering different types of ingredients. PEAK02 is a mixture and some people (like me) will respond much better to that but some may not. I'm all about variety :cool:

We're looking at bringing out a full series of different mushroom extracts and a couple of combination formulas as well.
 
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Opinions are going to vary on this one but in my opinion if you're looking to increase endurance, then I would go for a full spectrum.

I think that Ecklonia is a good ingredient and we may use it in something in the future. And I do think that it has potential for endurance but for straight endurance, I think PEAK02 is a much better ingredient.
Disagree.

My endurance on EC is Leaps & Bounds above Peak02, and I've taken Peak02 much more. I would eager, bulk EC gave me better endurance.

I've taken other products from MST, which absolutely destroy Peak02 in endurance too. I'm actually not impressed by it at all.


Just my opinion, I don't wanna be negative in an SNS thread because it's a solid company! 👍👍👍
 
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Disagree.

My endurance on EC is Leaps & Bounds above Peak02, and I've taken Peak02 much more. I would eager, bulk EC gave me better endurance.

I've taken other products from MST, which absolutely destroy Peak03 in endurance too. I'm actually not impressed by it.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and it shows how different people respond differently to different things.

I'm curious what do you consider high dose EC? I'm asking bc the dosage range varies all over the place it seems.
 
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Honestly, I was super lucky it was being sold on eBay here in Australia. I've been actually trying to get in touch to buy more, but their not selling it any longer.

I have no idea, it may of been 20:1 extract and I was dosing 3-5g PWO. It was bulk powder.

It was cheap, and I definitely noticed effects and I literally don't notice much from most supplements.

I'm sure there's plenty of ingredients which are solid for endurance out there, I don't really do that style of training. I got a pretty good gas tank as it is, but for volume 20+ sets you notice if something aids.
 
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Honestly, I was super lucky it was being sold on eBay here in Australia. I've been actually trying to get in touch to buy more, but their not selling it any longer.

I have no idea, it may of been 20:1 extract and I was dosing 3-5g PWO.

It was cheap, and I definitely noticed effects and I literally don't notice much from most supplements.
Ecklonia is one of those things that can be extracted for different things so when you see something like 20:1, it's really like 20:1 what? From what I've read, a lot of people prefer a full spectrum on this.

I'd be glad to offer it; I just want to make sure the type we would offer is what people would want. We're going to be using it in something coming up anyway so no big issue at all if people wanted to see us offer it as a single ingredient capsule or powder.
 
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Ecklonia is one of those things that can be extracted for different things so when you see something like 20:1, it's really like 20:1 what? From what I've read, a lot of people prefer a full spectrum on this.

I'd be glad to offer it; I just want to make sure the type we would offer is what people would want. We're going to be using it in something coming up anyway so no big issue at all if people wanted to see us offer it as a single ingredient capsule or powder.
If I can get in touch, I'll let you know.

100% it worked for me, and most people know I don't praise many ingredients on here.

You're absolutely right tho, had no idea what I was getting! Haha
 
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If I can get in touch, I'll let you know.

100% it worked for me, and most people know I don't praise many ingredients on here.

You're absolutely right tho, had no idea what I was getting! Haha
I appreciate that.

That's the case with so many herbs. We're using Ecklonia in an upcoming product and I had been trying to decide whether to label is as 20:1 or Full Spectrum bc even though it is a 20:1, it doesn't say 20:1 for what for so technically, that would still mean Full Spectrum.
 
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Say SNS, any interest in date palm seeds? I just read in ergolog that aside from testosterone benefits, it also helps increase good cholesterol and reduces bad cholesterol.
 
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Say SNS, any interest in date palm seeds? I just read in ergolog that aside from testosterone benefits, it also helps increase good cholesterol and reduces bad cholesterol.
Haven't looked into it but I appreciate the suggestion. I'm open to pretty much anything that enough people are interested in.
 
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i recently bumped my 500mg berberine to 1500 and noticed a profound difference in endurance, pumps, and even strength, which led to to explore absorption. then i came across a powder that addresses that and claims to have 2x the half-life. I'd like to see a glucovantage supplement in the 300mg per cap range. there are some reviews stating how other formulations are lackluster, and this may owe to the old philosophy of giving someone 1/5 the dose if a product is up to 5x better absorbed.
 
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i recently bumped my 500mg berberine to 1500 and noticed a profound difference in endurance, pumps, and even strength, which led to to explore absorption. then i came across a powder that addresses that and claims to have 2x the half-life. I'd like to see a glucovantage supplement in the 300mg per cap range. there are some reviews stating how other formulations are lackluster, and this may owe to the old philosophy of giving someone 1/5 the dose if a product is up to 5x better absorbed.
Thank you for the suggestion.

I'm very familiar with this ingredient and I think you'll be very happy soon ;)

The only thing though is that 300 mg. per capsule would be too high on this. Their dosage range is 100 to 200 mg. one to two times per day. I'm normally all about dosing things as high as reasonably possible but this is one of those where its better to do 100 mg. per capsule and just to more caps per bottle so that people can dose it according to their individual response and needs rather than dose too high and some people not be able to take it.
 
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Thank you for the suggestion.

I'm very familiar with this ingredient and I think you'll be very happy soon ;)

The only thing though is that 300 mg. per capsule would be too high on this. Their dosage range is 100 to 200 mg. one to two times per day. I'm normally all about dosing things as high as reasonably possible but this is one of those where its better to do 100 mg. per capsule and just to more caps per bottle so that people can dose it according to their individual response and needs rather than dose too high and some people not be able to take it.
sounds good!
 
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Patiently waiting! Excited about the Curcumin product too.
Thank you. I'm really excited about the Curcumin one as well.

We have so many things in the works right now, we have such a wide variety of new releases planned - from natural anabolics, to general health formulas, to single ingredient stuff.
 
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Thank you. I'm really excited about the Curcumin one as well.

We have so many things in the works right now, we have such a wide variety of new releases planned - from natural anabolics, to general health formulas, to single ingredient stuff.
Any new time tables on amento?
 
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Any new time tables on amento?
We have so many products that sometimes our products bump our own products back in terms of production time. At any given time, we may have 20+ PO's in the production lineup so we often have to group them into priorities. So if for example we're out of 2 great sellers, something that doesn't sell as well or something new may get bumped back.

So now for the good news, Amentoflavone XT is in the very next group so it should be completed in the next couple of weeks :)
 
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Would also like to see SNS do a Nighttime Amino, like Primeval has.
Or even a basic EAA/BCAA w/out caffeine... (so I can add SNS GABA powder).

Trying to avoid the Amino's w/ caffeine, I like to take mine at night...
I quoted this over from another thread to see if I can get more opinions.

We've been asked for and have been considering doing a straight BCAA, a straight EAA, or an EAA formula.

I'm leaning towards doing an EAA formula because I have a design for one I really like but still may do a straight EAA or BCAA for the people that want just maximum value for the price.

I'd love to hear any input on what people would like to see.
 
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I quoted this over from another thread to see if I can get more opinions.

We've been asked for and have been considering doing a straight BCAA, a straight EAA, or an EAA formula.

I'm leaning towards doing an EAA formula because I have a design for one I really like but still may do a straight EAA or BCAA for the people that want just maximum value for the price.

I'd love to hear any input on what people would like to see.
The MAP patent expired and there are a handful of companies like perfect aminos charging an arm and a leg for the powder with stevia and some citric acid. This guy in a facebook thread of mine bought the same raws and sold a few thousand in like a few weeks because these guys believe in the ratios. Ive found the low tryptophan doesnt cause the drowsy effect you can get from other eaa blends, and the low methionine/lack of histidine makes it less inflammatory. Anyway, the guy's company is optimalaminos and the price point is awesome, way better than fortagen/perfectaminos xt, but im not buying because he added a prebiotic. Anyway, i go through 3lbs a month of it at 180$ and id let the groups know if an alternative came out. Its pretty awesome, it has 5 calories, doesnt break a fast, and ive lost 14 lbs dieting and have nevertheless lost zero strength taking in 30g a day of that
 
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We have so many products that sometimes our products bump our own products back in terms of production time. At any given time, we may have 20+ PO's in the production lineup so we often have to group them into priorities. So if for example we're out of 2 great sellers, something that doesn't sell as well or something new may get bumped back.

So now for the good news, Amentoflavone XT is in the very next group so it should be completed in the next couple of weeks :)
Just in time for me to order more Joint Support XT!
 

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I posted in the other thread but I’d be all about a well dosed EAA formula w/o caffeine. I don’t feel like their are many great options on the market here at decent prices.

I would also love a powdered fat burner type product. I love lean edge and the formula for thermagize is great but I don’t like taking my stims in pill form so I don’t end up purchasing that product. Since Alphamine died it seems like there aren’t many great options here either.
 

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Would you consider doing a powdered general health formula? If it were possible to flavor and mix well, I’d certainly use it. Sometimes I hate taking as many pills as I do, and a health product powder would cut down on a ton for me.
 
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The MAP patent expired and there are a handful of companies like perfect aminos charging an arm and a leg for the powder with stevia and some citric acid. This guy in a facebook thread of mine bought the same raws and sold a few thousand in like a few weeks because these guys believe in the ratios. Ive found the low tryptophan doesnt cause the drowsy effect you can get from other eaa blends, and the low methionine/lack of histidine makes it less inflammatory. Anyway, the guy's company is optimalaminos and the price point is awesome, way better than fortagen/perfectaminos xt, but im not buying because he added a prebiotic. Anyway, i go through 3lbs a month of it at 180$ and id let the groups know if an alternative came out. Its pretty awesome, it has 5 calories, doesnt break a fast, and ive lost 14 lbs dieting and have nevertheless lost zero strength taking in 30g a day of that
I'm sorry, I'm honestly confused. I don't know what the MAP patent is that you're referring to.

If we go with a BCAA, we will likely go with 2:1:1.

If we go with an EAA, we will likely go with Amino9; maybe Amino9 plus some added Leucine.

If we do a formula, it will be a really cool formula I've had worked up that I've wanted to do for awhile now :)
 
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Would you consider doing a powdered general health formula? If it were possible to flavor and mix well, I’d certainly use it. Sometimes I hate taking as many pills as I do, and a health product powder would cut down on a ton for me.
I would be glad to consider it. What do you have in mind?
 
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I posted in the other thread but I’d be all about a well dosed EAA formula w/o caffeine. I don’t feel like their are many great options on the market here at decent prices.

I would also love a powdered fat burner type product. I love lean edge and the formula for thermagize is great but I don’t like taking my stims in pill form so I don’t end up purchasing that product. Since Alphamine died it seems like there aren’t many great options here either.
Thank you. We are considering doing a BCAA, an EAA, &/or a cool EAA formula product.

I have considered doing a powdered fat burner, but ironically the stimulant free ones sell a lot better than the stimulant ones. That's why a lot of companies don't make stim powdered fat burners is that they traditionally sell horrible.

I will way that I have a stim powder in the works that is super strong that would also double as a fat burning powder; but it won't be under SNS. I can't say much more about it until it gets closer to release though.

For SNS, I have been working on 2 fat burner powder formula ideas and if we move forward on them, we may could do a stimulant version of one and see if it sells.
 

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