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Same here I just ordered the twin pack. I seen it stacks well with Metabolic Xtreme in the description, what is Metabolic Xtreme?
It might be something you need to keep an eye out for at some stage
 
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If I'm not mistaken the rumor was pressure from the pharmaceutical companies who were also looking into TTA. That might also mean it could very well be a noncompliant ingredient. I'm not really familiar enough though.
That was an untrue rumor started by another company. What really happened is around the time they stated that, the raw material price for TTA went up by over 50% so they were just giving a reason for them stopping using it. There were never any gov't letters or anything like that on TTA.
 
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Any idea if powermyself in the uk will be picking up Paradoxine?
Unfortunately, no idea. They sometimes aren't very responsive to wanting to bring in new single ingredient items. They normally say that single ingredients don't sell well, etc. But then from our end, we always get asked when they will bring things in or why they don't. I really wish they would stock more of the products to give them a chance, even if they just ordered in small quantities.

I would encourage anyone that wants them to to please ask them. The more inquiries they get, the more likely they will be to bring it in.
 
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Same here I just ordered the twin pack. I seen it stacks well with Metabolic Xtreme in the description, what is Metabolic Xtreme?
Good eye haha.

I can't give any details on that one yet, but if all goes well I'd say to keep your eyes open for it in possibly January.
 
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Good catch on the Paradoxine everyone. I'll get the intro thread up on it in the next couple days. I'm traveling at the moment and the product went live for sale before I realized it would haha.
 
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Same here I just ordered the twin pack. I seen it stacks well with Metabolic Xtreme in the description, what is Metabolic Xtreme?
TBD haha... theres always a nugget in the descriptions of the newer products it seems!
 
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Haha, so many new products seem to be announced rather subtly on the packaging.
 
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I'm still here wanting a top tier eye health supplement
 
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Why do I suggest Apigenin with an absorption enhancer...



I’ve posted this before, but I wonder if Apigenin is best utilized as a standardized percentage of a different herb, such as chamomile (ie 600mg chamomile standardized for 1.2% Apigenin). Flavonoids can have low bioavailability, so I wonder if consuming it in its natural form as much as possible would be more beneficial. Maybe that in tandem with AstraGin or something of the sorts.

“Although flavonoids have shown countless health benefits, their low bioavailability has been a concern. Phase 2 metabolism is known to affect the bioavailability of flavonoids in humans [12]. Usually, most flavonoids undergo sulfation, methylation and glucuronidation in the small intestine and liver [13] and conjugated metabolites can be found in plasma after flavonoid ingestion [14]. In general, metabolites of flavonoids show reduced bioactivity in comparison to parent compounds but there have been results that reported otherwise as well [15].” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3798909/#!po=0.769231
 
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Kemin also manufactures FloraGlo Lutein and ZeaONE Zeaxanthin. Lutein and Zeaxanthin are commonly utilized for vision health, but also have some research supporting cognition. You’re the expert in sourcing, but a capsule formula of the below would be great for cognition and vision health (and I would assume you could capture some supply chain efficiencies by sourcing all three from one supplier - if the price is right):

900mg Neumentix
10mg Lutein
2mg Zeaxanthin

This study used 10mg Lutein and 2mg Zeaxanthin: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5707718/#idm140504334900656title

Just throwing some ideas out.
@Jiigzz this was my pitch for a nootropic/eye health product.
 
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Unfortunately, no idea. They sometimes aren't very responsive to wanting to bring in new single ingredient items. They normally say that single ingredients don't sell well, etc. But then from our end, we always get asked when they will bring things in or why they don't. I really wish they would stock more of the products to give them a chance, even if they just ordered in small quantities.

I would encourage anyone that wants them to to please ask them. The more inquiries they get, the more likely they will be to bring it in.
It's hard to sell more of something you don't stock. Story of my life right now, lol.
 
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Focus XT has a nice dose of Lutein :)
It sure does. Steve and I discussed Lutein a bit when he was developing a new formula for Focus XT and I believe it takes it to a whole new level. Benefits for eye health and cognition.

I always have lutein and zeaxanthin on hand, but I think we can take it up a notch. The problem is this type of supplement isn't necessarily one you 'feel'.
 
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@Jiigzz this was my pitch for a nootropic/eye health product.
I like it. I haven't heard of Neumentix before. This seems like it could be a great addition to a focus supplement as well.
 
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I like it. I haven't heard of Neumentix before. This seems like it could be a great addition to a focus supplement as well.
I think Swanson may be the only to put it in a solo capsule product. Could potentially be a solid choice for a capsule nootropic product since the dosage is 900mg. Bit more info below:

 
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I like it. I haven't heard of Neumentix before. This seems like it could be a great addition to a focus supplement as well.
I think Swanson may be the only to put it in a solo capsule product. Could potentially be a solid choice for a capsule nootropic product since the dosage is 900mg. Bit more info below:

 

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We had a thread last year that produced a lot of suggestions. Some we were already able to offer and some are in various stages of production.

I wanted to start a fresh thread to get some ideas to see what people would like to see from SNS and Competitive Edge Labs in 2020.

Feel free to suggest single ingredient and/or combination ideas.

Thanks and I look forward to seeing everyone's ideas.
im about to place a large order for BAIBA but want to make sure SNS isn’t about to release a product soon. You guys seem to have more acceptable dose-to-price points in comparison to others. For me, 500mg twice daily is the sweet spot.
 
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Apigenin 300mg
BioPerine 10mg

Per capsule.
Why do I suggest Apigenin with an absorption enhancer...



I've thought about an Apigenin before but not sure if there is enough demand for one solo or not. I'm open to it if enough people want it.
 
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I'm still here wanting a top tier eye health supplement
I have a tentative formula for it. It's been awhile since I've looked at it so I need to look at it again and possibly update it. I definitely want to do it, we just have so many new things lined up and the Covid situation just put everything behind.
 
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It sure does. Steve and I discussed Lutein a bit when he was developing a new formula for Focus XT and I believe it takes it to a whole new level. Benefits for eye health and cognition.

I always have lutein and zeaxanthin on hand, but I think we can take it up a notch. The problem is this type of supplement isn't necessarily one you 'feel'.
The eye health product is one that I definitely want to do; but it isn't traditionally a strong selling category so we just have to time it right to make sense. It's one I want to do to really help people, but I don't expect it to sell that great no matter how good of a product it is. Which is something I've never understood - that category of supplements having such weak sales bc eye health is something I would consider so important.
 
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im about to place a large order for BAIBA but want to make sure SNS isn’t about to release a product soon. You guys seem to have more acceptable dose-to-price points in comparison to others. For me, 500mg twice daily is the sweet spot.
Thanks for asking. We don't have any immediate plans of making one and haven't really been asked to. It's something I would definitely be open to if enough people were interested. If so, let me know what dosage would like to see and any particular standardization.
 

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Thanks for asking. We don't have any immediate plans of making one and haven't really been asked to. It's something I would definitely be open to if enough people were interested. If so, let me know what dosage would like to see and any particular standardization.
L stereoisomer BAIBA appears to be the most beneficial for fat loss. This is available as “MitoBurn” from some company. I’ve found 500mg twice daily is the most effective doses. 1g BID is crazy thermogenic but not really cost effective. Things that appear to synergize with it include 6-paradol and EGCG.
 
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Plans for SNS/CEL Black Friday sales?
Yes, we will be offering some. I'll do my best to get them started and posted later on tonight.
 
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L stereoisomer BAIBA appears to be the most beneficial for fat loss. This is available as “MitoBurn” from some company. I’ve found 500mg twice daily is the most effective doses. 1g BID is crazy thermogenic but not really cost effective. Things that appear to synergize with it include 6-paradol and EGCG.
Thank you for the information. I'll definitely look into this.

We've had a couple of people ask for this before but I don't think anyone has asked us for the branded ingredient version.
 
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I wanted to let everyone know that the SNS & Competitive Edge Labs Black Friday Sales are now live.

Save 30% on all products, including already discounted stacks!

Code: blackfriday

 
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Thank you for the information. I'll definitely look into this.

We've had a couple of people ask for this before but I don't think anyone has asked us for the branded ingredient version.
I’d also be interested. Especially with the potential with synergy with Parodoxine
 
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I’d also be interested. Especially with the potential with synergy with Parodoxine
Do you think that the branded ingredient version is necessarily better than the non?
 
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Do you think that the branded ingredient version is necessarily better than the non?
From my limited research, if you went non branded, I think you’d want to confirm L-isomer (as opposed to D-isomer, I believe). That’s my initial understanding, but I mainly looked at the Mitoburn suppliers (NNB) website.

Is this one of those solo ingredients with a huge cost discrepancy between branded and non-branded (such as Pycnogenol vs Pine Bark extract)?
 
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From my limited research, if you went non branded, I think you’d want to confirm L-isomer (as opposed to D-isomer, I believe). That’s my initial understanding, but I mainly looked at the Mitoburn suppliers (NNB) website.

Is this one of those solo ingredients with a huge cost discrepancy between branded and non-branded (such as Pycnogenol vs Pine Bark extract)?
I'm not sure right off but I'll look into it.
 
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should all be the same if you test it. I’d definitely try unbranded
We usually go the branded ingredient version if there is a reason to - like if its a certain type or standardization. Many times branded ingredient versions have studies to back them up; but then sometimes they're just fancy names put on something and marked up exponentially. In this case, I haven't looked into this ingredient yet enough to know which is why I wanted to ask anyone that may have. I appreciate the info and knowledge.
 

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We usually go the branded ingredient version if there is a reason to - like if its a certain type or standardization. Many times branded ingredient versions have studies to back them up; but then sometimes they're just fancy names put on something and marked up exponentially. In this case, I haven't looked into this ingredient yet enough to know which is why I wanted to ask anyone that may have. I appreciate the info and knowledge.
The D stereoisomer is elevated at rest and is the same (quantity) for obese and non-obese people. The L stereoisomer is released from muscle and has direct effect on browning for WAT. Lean people have significantly higher levels of L-BAIBA in comparison to the obese. It also has other beneficial effects on bone. A 50/50 mixture would be 50% less effective
 
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I've been seeing companies over in the U.K. adding EnXtra to their PW formulas but unfortunately
here in the states only Inspired and another small co. have added the 300mg dosage to their pre's.
I haven't tried anything YET with this ingredient but from reading feedback so far on DVST8 Union
it looks like EnXtra is the ingredient that is supercharging the energy and stimulant ingredients in
this PW and the ones over in the U.K. so I've been searching all over the web looking for just the solo
ingredient EnXtra just to add to pre's that I have on hand but I haven't found any yet. This might be
something SNS might want to look into as a stand alone ingredient in 300mg caps to help give pre's
and other caffeine based supplements a boost without having to add more caffeine. Just and idea for
one of my favorite companies that do great stand alone products.:)
Thank you for the suggestion. I'll definitely look into it. One reason that some companies may be hesitant to release this as a single ingredient is because the company that distributes it doesn't allow the product name to be the ingredient name; so anyone looking for it by name still wouldn't find it by name. I hope that makes sense. But that can severely diminish sales of something on the single ingredient side. Basically, if we did an EnXtra single ingredient, we couldn't use EnXtra in the name anyway so I think that would hurt sales.
 
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Thank you for the suggestion. I'll definitely look into it. One reason that some companies may be hesitant to release this as a single ingredient is because the company that distributes it doesn't allow the product name to be the ingredient name; so anyone looking for it by name still wouldn't find it by name. I hope that makes sense. But that can severely diminish sales of something on the single ingredient side. Basically, if we did an EnXtra single ingredient, we couldn't use EnXtra in the name anyway so I think that would hurt sales.
Could you do the following on the label:

"Name of Product"
NOW WITH

EnXtra!!!!!!!!!!!!!


lol
 

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Thank you for the suggestion. I'll definitely look into it. One reason that some companies may be hesitant to release this as a single ingredient is because the company that distributes it doesn't allow the product name to be the ingredient name; so anyone looking for it by name still wouldn't find it by name. I hope that makes sense. But that can severely diminish sales of something on the single ingredient side. Basically, if we did an EnXtra single ingredient, we couldn't use EnXtra in the name anyway so I think that would hurt sales.
That explains it so you could actually source it from the co. which is a specific extract of ginger
called Alpinia Galanga and so far it looks like 300mg is the effective dosage and call it INTENSITY! ;)
On another note one of my favorite supps from SNS arrived yesterday from DPS and my joints and
tendons will be content for A WHILE! :)
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Could you do the following on the label:

"Name of Product"
NOW WITH

EnXtra!!!!!!!!!!!!!


lol
I'll check. Believe it or not, some branded ingredient companies don't even want their ingredients on the front of the label. Most are appreciative, but some are weird about it.
 
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That explains it so you could actually source it from the co. which is a specific extract of ginger
called Alpinia Galanga and so far it looks like 300mg is the effective dosage and call it INTENSITY! ;)
On another note one of my favorite supps from SNS arrived yesterday from DPS and my joints and
tendons will be content for A WHILE! :)
I'm going to look into it. I'm open to using it in things, just not sure how it would work out for a single ingredient.

The irony is they would definitely want their branded ingredient name used on the back, its just if we couldn't use it to name the product, then that may hurt sales. It works okay when enough people are looking for an ingredient, but for one that isn't well known like this, it may not sell well. Give me a week to collect some info on it and we'll see :)

And awesome on the Cissus. Thank you.
 
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That explains it so you could actually source it from the co. which is a specific extract of ginger
called Alpinia Galanga and so far it looks like 300mg is the effective dosage and call it INTENSITY! ;)
On another note one of my favorite supps from SNS arrived yesterday from DPS and my joints and
tendons will be content for A WHILE! :)View attachment 199926

oh wow nice .. i love the stuff myself .. ive tried other cissus products while sns was out of stock .. and wasnt the same as SNS quality.
 

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That explains it so you could actually source it from the co. which is a specific extract of ginger
called Alpinia Galanga and so far it looks like 300mg is the effective dosage and call it INTENSITY! ;)
On another note one of my favorite supps from SNS arrived yesterday from DPS and my joints and
tendons will be content for A WHILE! :)View attachment 199926
I've only recently became aware of Enxtra. I see various places sell the extract, root, plant, etc. Anybody know if those are effective or have experience trying those forms?
 

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I've only recently became aware of Enxtra. I see various places sell the extract, root, plant, etc. Anybody know if those are effective or have experience trying those forms?
Is enXtra any good? I’ve had some other galangal extracts and they made me relaxed rather than stimmed up.
 

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Is enXtra any good? I’ve had some other galangal extracts and they made me relaxed rather than stimmed up.
It's NOT the Galangal Extract that you mentioned cause that one is used for health benefits and you can
find that all over. The one that works with caffeine and other stimulants is labeled EnXtra and it looks like
it's used in 150mg -300mg and it's a definitely a different extraction then common one seen on Amazon
and other stores. I even called the co. cause they have an office in NJ and asked if they could sell me some
but they said NO DICE only companies that are formulating can have access to their product but they
recommended contact Bulk Supplements and ask them to start carrying it and if enough people do that
then they might look into carrying it but they would need a lot of requests for it to consider it for their line
of bulk supplements.
 

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It's NOT the Galangal Extract that you mentioned cause that one is used for health benefits and you can
find that all over. The one that works with caffeine and other stimulants is labeled EnXtra and it looks like
it's used in 150mg -300mg and it's a definitely a different extraction then common one seen on Amazon
and other stores. I even called the co. cause they have an office in NJ and asked if they could sell me some
but they said NO DICE only companies that are formulating can have access to their product but they
recommended contact Bulk Supplements and ask them to start carrying it and if enough people do that
then they might look into carrying it but they would need a lot of requests for it to consider it for their line
of bulk supplements.
interesting. Thanks for the intel
 
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For probiotics, I'd love to see the following:

TWK10 as mentioned earlier
Lactobacillus plantarum PS128
Bifidobacterium longum OLP-01
Bifidobacterium breve B3

All have interesting potential for muscle, recovery and endurance
I know I’m quoting a comment from March, but looks like TWK10 won’t be available for any brand to sell. :(

 

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