That's pretty close to the pricing I laid out above.Anyone know a good price per serving to use as a baseline?
I like the musclepharm cookies and creme from Costco and it’s right around $.50 a serving if I remember right.
That's pretty close to the pricing I laid out above.Anyone know a good price per serving to use as a baseline?
I like the musclepharm cookies and creme from Costco and it’s right around $.50 a serving if I remember right.
I see a lot of blends with no more than 30% of the total protein coming from whey. Something like 1/3 egg, 1/3 beef(or pea), 1/3 whey or something along these lines. They can call it something like Super-Pro 5000 featuring WHEY PROTEIN! This way(lol) they can put the important word WHEY on the label and try to work around the price a little bit. Heck it would most likely be 10% whey total from some companies and they could use the really low-grade whey conc. as well.Current pricing is irrelevant. Give it a few months once brands start adjusting prices as they start doing new production runs at the current pricing which is 75 to 100% more than it used to cost them to produce 1 tub of protein back in May of this year.
Yeah cheap blends are always going to keep costs down they put like 1/3rd WPI and then a few others but now WPC is also up so that's going to add to cost of the blend. Egg pricing is stable and glad you mentioned shipping.I see a lot of blends with no more than 30% of the total protein coming from whey. Something like 1/3 egg, 1/3 beef(or pea), 1/3 whey or something along these lines. They can call it something like Super-Pro 5000 featuring WHEY PROTEIN! This way(lol) they can put the important word WHEY on the label and try to work around the price a little bit. Heck it would most likely be 10% whey total from some companies and they could use the really low-grade whey conc. as well.
Obviously shipping costs hurt all proteins regardless of source but do we know the situation for the following:
Casein
Pea
Rice
Beef Iso
Egg white
Whole egg???
This isn't true unfortunately. I ship globally, massive amounts of product, all from China, and all to LA, and my costs have not risen nowhere near that high. Shipments that use to cost me $1400, now cost me $1700. Shipments that cost me $3500 now cost me $4100What the supplement industry is facing:
INTERNATIONAL FREIGHT: Freight costs internationally have worsened in August. The cost of shipping a container from China to the U.S. has increased 4-7 times since pre-covid numbers, depending on ports. The U.S. and global demand continue to outpace capacity causing wait times in excess of 4 weeks and container cost increases of $1000 every 2 weeks. We’re now running into the holiday season where companies will be increasing inventories which will further exacerbate the problems.
A container from Shanghai to LA has increased from $2,350 to $14,100 with spot purchases in excess of $30,000 per container. The cause: surging global demand, shortage of containers, the Suez Canal blockage, the closing of the Yantian port, COVID issues, lack of employees at ports, shortage of trucks and the increasing trade imbalance.
Most analysts are predicting it will be between mid-2022 and the end of 2022 before we see any relief. The general consensus is that after the market normalizes, freight will not return to where it was. Higher freight costs will be the new norm.
Well this seems to be some sort of odd situation since everyone else is experiencing massive cost increasesThis isn't true unfortunately. I ship globally, massive amounts of product, all from China, and all to LA, and my costs have not risen nowhere near that high. Shipments that use to cost me $1400, now cost me $1700. Shipments that cost me $3500 now cost me $4100
Why would they get rid of 5lbs. Tubs?Yeah cheap blends are always going to keep costs down they put like 1/3rd WPI and then a few others but now WPC is also up so that's going to add to cost of the blend. Egg pricing is stable and glad you mentioned shipping.
Truck load delivery from California to Texas to used to cost like $2800, now it's up to around $13,000. So all these things will be figured into pricing of not only protein but anything else that has to be trucked, which is everything.
PES is perfect example:
(Milk Protein Isolate, Whey Protein Concentrate 80%, Leucine Peptides),
I don't use MPI but with I had a conversation with my CM last year, it's not cheap either. So PES uses MPI, WPC and yea normally thats going to be cheaper than 100% WPI90 but both WPC80 and WPI90 are up in so the only way these blends will still be advantageous from a profit standpoint is to use some really crappy whey and just list "whey protein concentrate" as part of the blend and use one of or blend of wpc 50-60-70... but that must be some crap quality. Then maybe 10% wpi so atleast you can list it on the label. So 90% wpc60 and 10% wpi90.
But truth be told I don't even know know what wpc60 looks like. I've had wpc70 from Supplement Direct back in the 1990s and it was grainy as fk.
From my recollection I think Syntha 6 would be the lowest cost blend to produce since they use so many types in their blends with the expensive ones being only a tiny %. But again, wpc is up now so curious to see what they do. I'm sure they won't need to change since it's just 1/6th of their blend. So a 100% increase in WPC hardly hurts them.
The buzz from some brands I know is that they will lower the protein grams per scoop and possibly number of servings. Say goodbye to 5lb tubs but that dinosaur tub has been slowly going away pre covid anyway. 2lb and 3.5lb will probably be most common.
Whey protein is so insane expensive such that I am just about ready to release my vegan line of proteins which costs a fortune (because of all the natural ingredients and natural flavoring system) but this *fortune* is still cheaper than what it costs me to produce my whey proteins with the current crazy pricing.
Maybe I'll sell cricket protein next....
Maybe their statements are in regard to cost per container. I pay for space in those containers, but I would think that added cost would trickle down to me, and it has, but not in the way these articles are stating.Well this seems to be some sort of odd situation since everyone else is experiencing massive cost increases
Container Shipping Prices Skyrocket as Rush to Move Goods Picks Up
Prices to ship containers from Asia to the U.S. and Europe are rising at a historic pace as cargo owners bid up rates in a search for ocean transportation capacity that shipping industry executives expect to remain tight for the rest of the year.www.wsj.com
I'd be interested in learning more why you aren't seeing this with your business.
Ah okay. Yes these guys like Mark fill full containers when they ship. So makes sense your portion had a proportional increase and not the full cost that a full container would cost.Maybe their statements are in regard to cost per container. I pay for space in those containers, but I would think that added cost would trickle down to me, and it has, but not in the way these articles are stating.
The end user or retail price is going to be too high for most consumers. Think $100-150 a jug territory, very few will still purchase at that price point. Optimum has been doing this for years. They used to have 2lb, 5lb, and 10lb. They then made 4.5, 4, 3.3, and some other random sizes and all attempts were made IMO to make the jugs looks as close to the same as the original sizes.Why would they get rid of 5lbs. Tubs?
there is SO much truth in this...i give it less than a month and a trip to grocery store is going to inflict more pain than a trip to dentist.The end user or retail price is going to be too high for most consumers. Think $100-150 a jug territory, very few will still purchase at that price point. Optimum has been doing this for years. They used to have 2lb, 5lb, and 10lb. They then made 4.5, 4, 3.3, and some other random sizes and all attempts were made IMO to make the jugs looks as close to the same as the original sizes.
This has all been going on for years with food, shrinkflation, and producers have attempted to hide buffer it with smaller packages. Take a bag of coffee. They used to be 16oz across the board or larger. They went to 14oz, then 12, then 11.5, then 10 and my wife came home with a 7oz bag the other day. Same thing with the large jugs of coffee. They have all gotten shorter or repackaged with new designs like Maxwell houses cans. Same thing with yogurts they used to be 1 cup for most of them. This is one of the reasons I stick to buying most foods that are priced per lb as I can actually tell what I am spending/getting.
The coming days are really going to allow us all to see the difference between wants and true needs............................
I agree!!Two words... Stock Up
You can use STAYSTRONG for a 5% discount code. Musclemaker will post product specific discount codes in the supplement deals section as well.I agree!!
Is there a Strong Discount code to help out?
This is so f*cking stupid. I was wondering why I couldn't find NAC on Amazon. Here's the story behind that:AMINO ACIDS: Aminos overall have increased from 5% to 25%. BCAAs, arginine and glutamine are on the rise. NAC is stable, probably because of lower demand due to the crackdown by Amazon, which removed all NAC products.
I've seen a ton of vendors switch to milk protein isolate. Personally I blame the food industry for this. They add whey to processed food to add more protein so they can advertise it as having more protein on the label. Then, companies like Gatorade came in and cornered the market and buy up huge supplies of whey to make junk products with no one should be using.Maybe I'll sell cricket protein next....
Without capitalism, with all it's warts and faults granted, we would not even have access to 12 different kinds of whey protein. Government cheese byproduct powder in government approved can with black and white label...............if we were lucky.
This is so f*cking stupid. I was wondering why I couldn't find NAC on Amazon. Here's the story behind that:
Amazon reportedly removes NAC-containing dietary supplements
Amazon has started removing from its platform dietary supplements containing NAC, industry sources said.www.naturalproductsinsider.com
I've seen a ton of vendors switch to milk protein isolate. Personally I blame the food industry for this. They add whey to processed food to add more protein so they can advertise it as having more protein on the label. Then, companies like Gatorade came in and cornered the market and buy up huge supplies of whey to make junk products with no one should be using.
I think we will be eating a lot more veggie protein in the near future. I've been seeing a lot of companies make a big push towards plant based protein powders. Some of them like Vega are mixed with extra BCAAs so you're getting your full amino acids.
But, cricket flour and cricket protein will be coming soon. I've seen a cricket protein bar in a health food store. Crickets are basically a vast unlimited supply and their shells are loaded with protein. They just grind them down and extract the protein, so there's not a lot of cricket left over. I've never tasted any of them, but supposedly the taste is pretty neutral.
According to Wikipedia, crickets are a complete protein, so, we might be looking at a future of drinking bug protein powder.
Insects as food - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
It's just a joke based on the hip hop slogan of CREAM - Cash Rules Everything Around me. Take it easy.Without capitalism, with all it's warts and faults granted, we would not even have access to 12 different kinds of whey protein. Government cheese byproduct powder in government approved can with black and white label...............if we were lucky.
Learn to forage and farm to make your own suppsAt the end of the day if prices soar maybe people will focus more on nutrition and routines and reap better results. I'm a guilty supplement junkie also, lol.
I was taking it easy just making a point that too many seem to miss these days. Not saying you in particular.It's just a joke based on the hip hop slogan of CREAM - Cash Rules Everything Around me. Take it easy.
I like Levels Whey Protein. Grass-fed cows and made in the USA. 25g of protein per 32g scoop. I go with unflavored as I'm happy to bypass all of the flavorings found in many other whey products. It is a really clean product, but hardly ever see it mentioned. It's a concentrate, but seems to have a good amino profile and overall high quality. Does it lack something in the muscle-building department, I've wondered?Do we know of any quality protein powders made in the USA?
We are effed. Really hope everyone starts prepping a bit.Supply Chain update: The cost to ship a container from China to the U.S. is out of control. I was just quoted $56,000 to ship 2 containers of empty bottles to the U.S. That’s $28,000 per container. 6 months ago that same container cost me less than $3,000. 3 weeks ago it cost $21,000. So it rose $7,000 per container in just a few weeks. The cost has risen 930% this year. This cost will be passed on to thousands of products that we purchase every day. Get ready for some tough times folks.
We are more than effed. Here's the update I just posted today on FB;We are effed. Really hope everyone starts prepping a bit.
We now pay another $75,000 per truck on top of that $137,000 increase recently.Glazier from Nutrabio told me today
WPC has gone up $2.85 per pound. Nutrabio pays an additional $137,000 per truck load.
That is INSANE.
Messed up man. They are dismantling this country piece by piece. So obviousWe are more than effed. Here's the update I just posted today on FB;
Ahhh more supply chain craziness. Once again thanks for Mark Glazier for always giving everyone like 2 week warning before the Hanmer drops so I put in huge PO's to stay ahead of the curve. Lol
...Like it did..today. Latest whey increase is + $1.50/lb I'm being told. . And flavoring ingredients is up too!!
The is only half the issue. The supply as we know is scarce and getting worse. A major protein manufacturer that typically processes over one million pounds of milk a day is currently in a sold out situation with an ETA of “I’ll have no idea...I'll get back to you".....
.... don't call us...well call you. Lol
So now some shady stuff will be going on, (even more than what goes on now) including amino spiking and cutting protein powder with maltodextrin/dextrose etc like a ***well known brand*** used to do 7 to 8 years ago.
Mark my words if brands are still planing to sell 5lb tubs then the majority of them will be like $100+++ at GNC etc. (Some brands will still hold on though). But I'm banking on seeing 5lb tubs eventually phase out..IMHO..
Happy Friday!!
The worst part: the average person is going to expect the same idiots that caused this mess to solve it and those same idiots will act like they are f**king hero's for saving us from their own doing.Messed up man. They are dismantling this country piece by piece. So obvious
We need to look past the idiot puppets to the evil genius psychopaths pulling the strings. I feel a righteous anger brewingThe worst part: the average person is going to expect the same idiots that caused this mess to solve it and those same idiots will act like they are f**king hero's for saving us from their own doing.
I alternate that with a mix of defeated hopeless melancholy...........................just depends on how much energy I have that day. lolWe need to look past the idiot puppets to the evil genius psychopaths pulling the strings. I feel a righteous anger brewing
As everyone should.We need to look past the idiot puppets to the evil genius psychopaths pulling the strings. I feel a righteous anger brewing
I appreciate the optimism.................sometimes I forget what that is lol.At a certain price point, people will buy less. For me I’ve found protein bars and foods to be a better deal and gone that route instead.
eventually the market will reset. Maybe the high prices will spur farmers back into the supply chain
These are my thoughts, to an extent. I mean many great strength athletes and physiques were built without any of the modern supplements. If supplements get scarce/too expensive, demand/consumption will just decrease. The problem is dire for the industry, but not really for the consumer in the context of these being luxury items.At a certain price point, people will buy less. For me I’ve found protein bars and foods to be a better deal and gone that route instead.
eventually the market will reset. Maybe the high prices will spur farmers back into the supply chain
The problem is not China it's our damn US diary companies who make the product here. They're only giving us like 10% of the remaining product and sending 90% of it to China because the Chinese pay 3 times what we pay here in America. Capitalism at its best.Is there a situation where the cost of raw whey the chinese feed their pigs gets to a point where they find an alternative food source and we see the demand for whey drop through the floor overnight? Thus lowering the price considerably????
Hey, a guy dream right? lol
I agree that food is always the gold standard for protein but traditionally price per gram of protein has always been cheaper with powders vs wholefood with a few rare exceptions.
China will buy 90% at a higher price than domestic companies will pay, how does that not make China's demand the problem or cause? Call it whatever you want their demand and willingness to pay top dollar is the driving force behind the table scraps the rest of the customers are fighting over. Expecting any company with a finite supply to not sell to the top bidder makes zero sense. If you had 100 bottles and one customer will pay a higher price you wouldn't sell to them? Really?The problem is not China it's our damn US diary companies who make the product here. They're only giving us like 10% of the remaining product and sending 90% of it to China because the Chinese pay 3 times what we pay here in America. Capitalism at its best.
That being said you'd think at some point a) the Chinese figure out a cheaper alternative or need less and/or b) US manufacturers can produce more protein. My concern is if they even are able to improve production, what makes us think they will drop the price?
Brands and contract manufacturers will just have to buy less and trigger the dairy industry to drop prices. It doesn't look good either way. Sorta like when people drive less, take mass transit or carpool when gas prices go up and then the prices drop as a result.
Capitalism at its best.
Still comes down to US companies looking for the quickest profit (nothing wrong with that) and alienating US brands who may at some point seek alternatives be it vegan or maybe this will help the smaller dairy companies become major players. Hope so.China will buy 90% at a higher price than domestic companies will pay, how does that not make China's demand the problem or cause? Call it whatever you want their demand and willingness to pay top dollar is the driving force behind the table scraps the rest of the customers are fighting over. Expecting any company with a finite supply to not sell to the top bidder makes zero sense. If you had 100 bottles and one customer will pay a higher price you wouldn't sell to them? Really?
Yup!Supply chain update! Prices are coming down for many/most raw materials made in China. Citrulline has dropped back to about $20/kg & should hit $16-$17/kg before Summer! The only notable exception is Creatine which is under CCP production restrictions (well essentially, the precursors to make it are now tightly regulated by Chinese authorities so it’s going to be super-tight & expensive for awhile). Whey protein is another exception as it’s “not Chinese” per se.
Most brokers are inventory heavy both stateside & China side as manufacturers are canceling PO’s here due to lack of line time availability. So an excess of goods coupled with a decrease in demand equates to prices dropping. Supply & demand!
So you should see prices on many/most raw materials start to dip.
A new pricing sheet with pricing revised DOWNWARD to reflect the sudden decrease in the cost of Citrulline which makes up around 55% of 3DPB. The price bump up was temporary due to Citrulline hitting >$27/kg & that we would reduce the price of 3DPB when & if Citrulline prices start to drop.
@DieselNY
Good news to start the weekend!Prices are coming down for many/most raw materials made in China
it proteinfactory.com in the USA? i thought it was IDKDo we know of any quality protein powders made in the USA?
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