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i like cel Mtest but this new SNS optimize-T blows everything outta the water
It unfortunately also causes me to blow my toilet up. Really sux because before it started triggering my digestive issues, I was really enjoying it. Not sure which ingredient was responsible for causing the unsettled digestive issues I was experiencing. Any ideas? I’ve tried mtest with good results, but that was before I developed sensitive digestion problems. Might try one more run just in case it was something different.
 
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It unfortunately also causes me to blow my toilet up. Really sux because before it started triggering my digestive issues, I was really enjoying it. Not sure which ingredient was responsible for causing the unsettled digestive issues I was experiencing. Any ideas? I’ve tried mtest with good results, but that was before I developed sensitive digestion problems. Might try one more run just in case it was something different.
I've literally never heard that before a single time. Different people can be sensitive to different things but I'd suggest like you said, trying it one more time to see if it was something different going on. For a couple of reasons:

- That's not something I've ever read or heard yet in terms of feedback.

- There isn't anything in there that would be particularly harsh on the stomach.

- And the the biggest reason is that you said something that was key - that you were enjoying it before it the digestive issues started.

Digestive issues to herbs normally doesn't have to build up. If something is going to hurt your stomach, it usually does it from the beginning. I can vouch for that from personal experience too - in that I have some herbs that other people commonly take but that I can't take. And it didn't happen over time, it happened from pretty much the first couple doses.

So in your case here, you said that you were enjoying it until they started so that does make me think it could've been something else.

Also, if you do try it again, if you weren't taking it with food before, try taking it with food this time. That's my recommendation anytime someone thinks any product with herbs in it may be hurting their stomach.

I hope this helps.
 

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It unfortunately also causes me to blow my toilet up. Really sux because before it started triggering my digestive issues, I was really enjoying it. Not sure which ingredient was responsible for causing the unsettled digestive issues I was experiencing. Any ideas? I’ve tried mtest with good results, but that was before I developed sensitive digestion problems. Might try one more run just in case it was something different.
Tongkat Ali. Good extracts are extremely bitter and people with sensitive stomach can have problems. Take it with food.
 

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I've literally never heard that before a single time. Different people can be sensitive to different things but I'd suggest like you said, trying it one more time to see if it was something different going on. For a couple of reasons:

- That's not something I've ever read or heard yet in terms of feedback.

- There isn't anything in there that would be particularly harsh on the stomach.

- And the the biggest reason is that you said something that was key - that you were enjoying it before it the digestive issues started.

Digestive issues to herbs normally doesn't have to build up. If something is going to hurt your stomach, it usually does it from the beginning. I can vouch for that from personal experience too - in that I have some herbs that other people commonly take but that I can't take. And it didn't happen over time, it happened from pretty much the first couple doses.

So in your case here, you said that you were enjoying it until they started so that does make me think it could've been something else.

Also, if you do try it again, if you weren't taking it with food before, try taking it with food this time. That's my recommendation anytime someone thinks any product with herbs in it may be hurting their stomach.

I hope this helps.
Certainly possible I jumped the gun and may be blaming it on the wrong thing. I’m going to try it again and make sure I take it with food consistently next time.

Might be a while but will report back results. Thanks for the suggestions.
 
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Tongkat Ali. Good extracts are extremely bitter and people with sensitive stomach can have problems. Take it with food.
As long as we are talking about things that can cause stomach distress, I'll add cnidium monnieri/osthole. At least one brand I used was a virtual guarantee to result in throwing up.
 
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As long as we are talking about things that can cause stomach distress, I'll add cnidium monnieri/osthole. At least one brand I used was a virtual guarantee to result in throwing up.
the only osthole product i recall having this effect on people was LG SCIENCES PSARM---it didn't bother me as much as it did others, i found it very effective but LG had to DC because of side effects.

lol, back then i had a iron gut-these days not so much.:(
 
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the only osthole product i recall having this effect on people was LG SCIENCES PSARM---it didn't bother me as much as it did others, i found it very effective but LG had to DC because of side effects.

lol, back then i had a iron gut-these days not so much.:(
I had a rather spectacular reaction to the a bulk powder cnidium monnieri I bought from PureBulk. If you can imagine my mouth spewing what must have looked like someone applying gunite to a swimming pool but sounding like (Felix the Cate character) "Vavoom" making his characteristic extraordinary sound - that was me.
 
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I had a rather spectacular reaction to the a bulk powder cnidium monnieri I bought from PureBulk. If you can imagine my mouth spewing what must have looked like someone applying gunite to a swimming pool but sounding like (Felix the Cate character) "Vavoom" making his characteristic extraordinary sound - that was me.
lol...i bet it's one of those things you can laugh about after some time has passed, but in the moment isn't very funny-eh? :)
 
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lol...i bet it's one of those things you can laugh about after some time has passed, but in the moment isn't very funny-eh? :)
And, I had am 8AM flight the next morning, and wasn't certain it was cnidium. As I remember (meaning can't ever forget) we met family for Sunday breakfast a few hours prior to the time I turned into a human volcano. I have never re-acquired the taste for pesto.
 
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And, I had am 8AM flight the next morning, and wasn't certain it was cnidium. As I remember (meaning can't ever forget) we met family for Sunday breakfast a few hours prior to the time I turned into a human volcano. I have never re-acquired the taste for pesto.
could we safely assume your family feels the same? 😇
 
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As long as we are talking about things that can cause stomach distress, I'll add cnidium monnieri/osthole. At least one brand I used was a virtual guarantee to result in throwing up.
Agree completely on that. That's why we never use it in anything.

I can stomach it personally but am one of the only people that I know that can; and even though I can stomach it, I got pretty much zero off of it in terms of libido benefits. Some people say that they can tell it helps them with erection quality but no use having a better hardon if using the bathroom or throwing up all over the place. And for me, Amentoflavone definitely helps with erections much more than Cnidium did.
 
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As long as we are talking about things that can cause stomach distress, I'll add cnidium monnieri/osthole. At least one brand I used was a virtual guarantee to result in throwing up.
Been using BLR Han Swolo for over a year, never had a problem with stomach issues.might want to give it a try for your osthole supply.
 
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i am also on a search for something that truly works for me. i have tried multiple bottles of mtest with barely any effect. sns pine pollen did nothing. sns spilanthes did nothing. nutrition depot tongkat ali 10% dried out my joints causing my arthritis pain to increase dramatically. blue bonnet LJ100 did nothing. blue bonnet maca did nothing. now maca did nothing. now testojack 200 did nothing. repp sports daa did nothing. nutrex tested (LJ100) did nothing.

i had success with OL LJ100 in conjunction with their maca. they no longer produce these so i’ve been SOL ever since. when i was using these, i was constantly thinking about sex and getting boners throughout the day. during sex, my sensitivity was heightened and orgasms were much more intense. it was freaking awesome. LJ100 is supposed to be LJ100 across the board. but, clearly it is not.

Found a Tongkat Ali extract named TK100. Anyone try that?
 
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i am also on a search for something that truly works for me. i have tried multiple bottles of mtest with barely any effect. sns pine pollen did nothing. sns spilanthes did nothing. nutrition depot long jack 10% dried out my joints causing my arthritis pain to increase dramatically. blue bonnet LJ100 did nothing. blue bonnet maca did nothing. now maca did nothing. now testojack 200 did nothing. repp sports daa did nothing. nutrex tested (LJ100) did nothing.

i had success with OL LJ100 in conjunction with their maca. they no longer produce these so i’ve been SOL ever since. when i was using these, i was constantly thinking about sex and getting boners throughout the day. during sex, my sensitivity was heightened and orgasms were much more intense. it was freaking awesome. LJ100 is supposed to be LJ100 across the board. but, clearly it is not.
the old OL stuff was gtg, they were one of my favorite brands, used to post in their forum all the time...i was truly sorry to see them leave AM and the direction they took.

have you tried the combo of dermacrine and sustain alpha? all products at iconic formulations are 30% off use code NY30%.
 
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i am also on a search for something that truly works for me. i have tried multiple bottles of mtest with barely any effect. sns pine pollen did nothing. sns spilanthes did nothing. nutrition depot tongkat ali 10% dried out my joints causing my arthritis pain to increase dramatically. blue bonnet LJ100 did nothing. blue bonnet maca did nothing. now maca did nothing. now testojack 200 did nothing. repp sports daa did nothing. nutrex tested (LJ100) did nothing.

i had success with OL LJ100 in conjunction with their maca. they no longer produce these so i’ve been SOL ever since. when i was using these, i was constantly thinking about sex and getting boners throughout the day. during sex, my sensitivity was heightened and orgasms were much more intense. it was freaking awesome. LJ100 is supposed to be LJ100 across the board. but, clearly it is not.

Found a Tongkat Ali extract named TK100. Anyone try that?
LJ100 is a branded ingredient so it should be the same from brand to brand if the brand is legit; and Nutrex is definitely legit.

So, if you responded to LJ100 at one time but not now, it may likely mean that there are different issues at play now that may be causing the libido loss to begin with. Especially if you tried all of the things you said in your post and none of them helped.

There are a lot of different factors that can play into and cause loss of libido. Most of the things you mention above are approaching it strictly from the angle of increasing testosterone; and its possible for people with increased test levels to still have a low libido if their ratios are wrong or if they have other things going on.

I would consider approaching it from a different angle entirely imo if it were me.
 
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the old OL stuff was gtg, they were one of my favorite brands, used to post in their forum all the time...i was truly sorry to see them leave AM and the direction they took.

have you tried the combo of dermacrine and sustain alpha? all products at iconic formulations are 30% off use code NY30%.
haven’t tried either of those. was hoping to find a more economical solution.


LJ100 is a branded ingredient so it should be the same from brand to brand if the brand is legit; and Nutrex is definitely legit.

So, if you responded to LJ100 at one time but not now, it may likely mean that there are different issues at play now that may be causing the libido loss to begin with. Especially if you tried all of the things you said in your post and none of them helped.

There are a lot of different factors that can play into and cause loss of libido. Most of the things you mention above are approaching it strictly from the angle of increasing testosterone; and its possible for people with increased test levels to still have a low libido if their ratios are wrong or if they have other things going on.

I would consider approaching it from a different angle entirely imo if it were me.
yeah. i know that about LJ100. that’s why i’m saying it’s either being labeled as such when it’s not in these other products or OL used something different and called it LJ100.

my post wasn’t a knock on sns. simply frustrated and those products i mentioned did nothing.
 
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yeah. i know that about LJ100. that’s why i’m saying it’s either being labeled as such when it’s not in these other products or OL used something different and called it LJ100.

my post wasn’t a knock on sns. simply frustrated and those products i mentioned did nothing.
I didn't take it as a knock on anything. I was just trying to help.

Companies like Nutrex aren't going to mislabel anything - its not worth the chance or risk for them. They would be risking FDA troubles and a lawsuit from the company that has the rights to LJ100.

I wouldn't think OL would have mislabeled theirs either back then bc it was a single ingredient product and would have likely been tested by the company that has the rights to LJ100.

My thought is/was that if a person responds to something very well in the past but doesn't now, to look for other factors at play that could be contributing.

Like in the case with libido - libido can be influenced by many things; so maybe there is something else that is different and not allowing the products to work, especially being that you know at least one of the ingredients worked well for you in the past. Most everything you're using has been geared towards helping libido through boosting testosterone; that's why I was suggesting possibly going a different route with the supplement thought process bc maybe its not the testosterone level that is causing the reduction in libido if that makes sense.
 
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I didn't take it as a knock on anything. I was just trying to help.

Companies like Nutrex aren't going to mislabel anything - its not worth the chance or risk for them. They would be risking FDA troubles and a lawsuit from the company that has the rights to LJ100.

I wouldn't think OL would have mislabeled theirs either back then bc it was a single ingredient product and would have likely been tested by the company that has the rights to LJ100.

My thought is/was that if a person responds to something very well in the past but doesn't now, to look for other factors at play that could be contributing.

Like in the case with libido - libido can be influenced by many things; so maybe there is something else that is different and not allowing the products to work, especially being that you know at least one of the ingredients worked well for you in the past. Most everything you're using has been geared towards helping libido through boosting testosterone; that's why I was suggesting possibly going a different route with the supplement thought process bc maybe its not the testosterone level that is causing the reduction in libido if that makes sense.
that does make sense. however, i do not know what other routes you may be referring to.
 
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that does make sense. however, i do not know what other routes you may be referring to.
I did a huge long post on this probably within the last 2 years. I tried to find it but the search function doesn't want to cooperate with me. I'll try to find it for you if I can. It covers this subject from a lot of different angles.

If you want to chat privately, pm me and I'll be glad to help. Trying to help you find the right direction on this just may require some questions I don't want to ask you in a public thread.
 
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Are you on TRT? Checked estrogen/test/prolactin
circulation issues, prolactin lvls, medications, poor diet, stress
Prolactin levels were one of the things I was thinking about.

A lot of people here on AM associate Inhibit-P only with on cycle or PCT use but the majority of the customers that buy it and use it regularly are regular people that use it for prolactin control and see improvements in their mood, libido, and sleep quality from it.

We also have a lot of people that use it with their HRT; especially now that nandrolone has become a more commonly used in HRT.
 
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Prolactin levels were one of the things I was thinking about.

A lot of people here on AM associate Inhibit-P only with on cycle or PCT use but the majority of the customers that buy it and use it regularly are regular people that use it for prolactin control and see improvements in their mood, libido, and sleep quality from it.

We also have a lot of people that use it with their HRT; especially now that nandrolone has become a more commonly used in HRT.
I've got some Inhibit-P at the moment. Honestly a fantastic product tbh. You guys seem to source top quality ingredients. VERY trustworthy brand imo

Can I ask a question though? I've heard that supplementing L-Dopa a lot isn't a good option. Supposedly raising dopamine constantly down-regulates the receptors and then when you stop the L-Dopa and your dopamine drops that you hit a low mood/depression period while the receptors balance back out?

For sex drive I've always known it to be the dopamine system and of course hormones. Testosterone/Lower prolactin levels etc

Bromantane seems to have a good reputation for increasing sex drive. Bromantane boosts tyrosine hydroxylase and boosts dopamine and in turn improves sex drive.

9-mbc does the same as Bromantane.

Inhibit-P for the prolactin issue.

Loads of good testosterone boosters on the market also. Just depends on your budget etc

If your gonna use a PDE5 Inhibitor then for me personally Cialis has been by far the best. Other vasodilating drugs cause a lot of people bad headaches. I'm sure Horny Goat Weed is also a mild PDE5 Inhibitor.
 
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I've got some Inhibit-P at the moment. Honestly a fantastic product tbh. You guys seem to source top quality ingredients. VERY trustworthy brand imo

Can I ask a question though? I've heard that supplementing L-Dopa a lot isn't a good option. Supposedly raising dopamine constantly down-regulates the receptors and then when you stop the L-Dopa and your dopamine drops that you hit a low mood/depression period while the receptors balance back out?

For sex drive I've always known it to be the dopamine system and of course hormones. Testosterone/Lower prolactin levels etc

Bromantane seems to have a good reputation for increasing sex drive. Bromantane boosts tyrosine hydroxylase and boosts dopamine and in turn improves sex drive.

9-mbc does the same as Bromantane.

Inhibit-P for the prolactin issue.

Loads of good testosterone boosters on the market also. Just depends on your budget etc

If your gonna use a PDE5 Inhibitor then for me personally Cialis has been by far the best. Other vasodilating drugs cause a lot of people bad headaches. I'm sure Horny Goat Weed is also a mild PDE5 Inhibitor.
Thank you for the kind words and I'm glad that you like Inhibit-P.

I wanted to reply to all of your points so I'm going to put the ones I'm replying to below in italics and then my replies in red so it doesn't get confusing for anyone reading and them think I'm replying to a different part.

I've got some Inhibit-P at the moment. Honestly a fantastic product tbh. You guys seem to source top quality ingredients. VERY trustworthy brand imo. Thank you.

Can I ask a question though? I've heard that supplementing L-Dopa a lot isn't a good option. Supposedly raising dopamine constantly down-regulates the receptors and then when you stop the L-Dopa and your dopamine drops that you hit a low mood/depression period while the receptors balance back out?
You know how every few years a topic comes up and then it gets vilified but then a couple years later it comes up and its regarded as the greatest thing ever? That's what this reminds me of with the comments around here on L-Dopa now days. A good example is NAC - I remember 2 years ago so many people were - oh, it might do this or hinder muscle growth like that (completely blown out of proportion) and now it's everyone's favorite ingredient and everyone's trying to stock up bc the FDA may pull it.

I think of it like this - when you take something to influence L-Dopa levels, of course you're looking to raise Dopamine levels. That's really the point of taking it - because raising Dopamine levels can have a variety of positive benefits. When you stop taking whatever product of choice you're taking for Dopamine, you may go through an adjustment period where your Dopamine drops a little lower than normal while it balances out. But this is more like a little drop below normal while it adjusts back to normal - basically for a large part you're getting back used to how you felt without being on something to increase your Dopamine. Kind of like - its not so much that coming off of it made you feel bad, its that you're getting back to how you felt before without it - which for a lot of people is of course worse than they felt on it (minus a little extra drop at first).

BUT I think the whole issue with it has been overplayed and overstated for the last while. People have been supplementing with supplements that increase L-Dopa for as long as I can remember and you don't see tons of terrible side effects or stories with it. Even companies like NOW Foods (the big boys that don't mess with anything iffy at all in terms of common side effects) make products to help increase Dopamine levels. Another example is Mucuna being in C4, the #1 selling pre-workout in the country forever with the mainstream customer base and you don't see their dopamine levels jumping around.

In my opinion, one would have to really take high doses of things to cause this effect at all; and I think it would be much more common with research chemicals and prescription drugs than supplements.

Take me for example, I think I'm pretty smart about things like this (I don't mean that in a cocky way, just that I do my research and am knowledgeable about it) and I use both M-Test and Inhibit-P, both of which that have Mucuna in them that can have positive effects on Dopamine levels and I have zero worries about negative effects from the stack of them.

I hope all of that makes sense.



For sex drive I've always known it to be the dopamine system and of course hormones. Testosterone/Lower prolactin levels etc
Agreed in the sense that its normally the dopamine system and hormone levels that are the culprit. Not necessarily just total testosterone, but also free testosterone, proper E levels (not too high nor too low), DHEA levels, and Prolactin levels. And Prolactin is a big one that gets overlooked. Medications and stress are also big overlooked factors as well.

Bromantane seems to have a good reputation for increasing sex drive. Bromantane boosts tyrosine hydroxylase and boosts dopamine and in turn improves sex drive. I've heard good experiences and horror stories of people using this. It's definitely a drug, not a supplement; so it also puts me in the position that I can't really comment on it much. I will say that for any ingredient that is a drug, consumers should always keep in mind that they never really know what they are getting for sure because now days companies can't send samples of their stuff like that to legit FDA DEA registered labs for testing without fear of getting in trouble. So its basically like these raws get ordered from overseas and the people selling them are just hoping for the best that they are what they're supposed to be. (Of course this excludes people that can get legit prescriptions for them).

9-mbc does the same as Bromantane. Same as above for Bromantane.

Inhibit-P for the prolactin issue.
Agreed. We get so many reports of people that aren't even fitness enthusiasts that experience great results with Inhibit-P and we also have a lot of people that use it that are on HRT as well. Normal feedback is improved mood and sense of well-being, enhanced libido, and better sleep quality.

Loads of good testosterone boosters on the market also. Just depends on your budget etc
We make a lot of great testosterone boosters - M-Test under CEL, Optimize-T under SNS, and then a lot of great single ingredient options that can increase testosterone such as Furosap XT, KSM-66 caps, Spilanthes XT, Bulbine Caps, and more. But I think in his particular case, its going to be something besides test since he's tried so many things to help in that avenue and they aren't helping him. But these are great options for others.

If your gonna use a PDE5 Inhibitor then for me personally Cialis has been by far the best. Other vasodilating drugs cause a lot of people bad headaches. I'm sure Horny Goat Weed is also a mild PDE5 Inhibitor. Horny Goat Weed can have PDE5 properties if the amount of Icariin (not Icariins) is high enough. Amentoflavone XT, which contains 40 mg. Amentoflavone per capsule also has had some great feedback for this purpose. We plan on doing a Horny Goat Weed XT product at some point in the coming months that will be very highly dosed Horny Goat Weed standardized for Icariin as well as doing a Libido Boost XT product that will likely blend some different sexual aid properties into it and attack it from different angles. The hardest part of formulating Libido Boost XT is that Optimize-T is already so good for libido, it was how to go a different angle and that's where we decided to go the direction of libido + volume + erection quality with it.
 

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Thank you for the kind words and I'm glad that you like Inhibit-P.

I wanted to reply to all of your points so I'm going to put the ones I'm replying to below in italics and then my replies in red so it doesn't get confusing for anyone reading and them think I'm replying to a different part.

I've got some Inhibit-P at the moment. Honestly a fantastic product tbh. You guys seem to source top quality ingredients. VERY trustworthy brand imo. Thank you.

Can I ask a question though? I've heard that supplementing L-Dopa a lot isn't a good option. Supposedly raising dopamine constantly down-regulates the receptors and then when you stop the L-Dopa and your dopamine drops that you hit a low mood/depression period while the receptors balance back out?
You know how every few years a topic comes up and then it gets vilified but then a couple years later it comes up and its regarded as the greatest thing ever? That's what this reminds me of with the comments around here on L-Dopa now days. A good example is NAC - I remember 2 years ago so many people were - oh, it might do this or hinder muscle growth like that (completely blown out of proportion) and now it's everyone's favorite ingredient and everyone's trying to stock up bc the FDA may pull it.

I think of it like this - when you take something to influence L-Dopa levels, of course you're looking to raise Dopamine levels. That's really the point of taking it - because raising Dopamine levels can have a variety of positive benefits. When you stop taking whatever product of choice you're taking for Dopamine, you may go through an adjustment period where your Dopamine drops a little lower than normal while it balances out. But this is more like a little drop below normal while it adjusts back to normal - basically for a large part you're getting back used to how you felt without being on something to increase your Dopamine. Kind of like - its not so much that coming off of it made you feel bad, its that you're getting back to how you felt before without it - which for a lot of people is of course worse than they felt on it (minus a little extra drop at first).

BUT I think the whole issue with it has been overplayed and overstated for the last while. People have been supplementing with supplements that increase L-Dopa for as long as I can remember and you don't see tons of terrible side effects or stories with it. Even companies like NOW Foods (the big boys that don't mess with anything iffy at all in terms of common side effects) make products to help increase Dopamine levels. Another example is Mucuna being in C4, the #1 selling pre-workout in the country forever with the mainstream customer base and you don't see their dopamine levels jumping around.

In my opinion, one would have to really take high doses of things to cause this effect at all; and I think it would be much more common with research chemicals and prescription drugs than supplements.

Take me for example, I think I'm pretty smart about things like this (I don't mean that in a cocky way, just that I do my research and am knowledgeable about it) and I use both M-Test and Inhibit-P, both of which that have Mucuna in them that can have positive effects on Dopamine levels and I have zero worries about negative effects from the stack of them.

I hope all of that makes sense.



For sex drive I've always known it to be the dopamine system and of course hormones. Testosterone/Lower prolactin levels etc
Agreed in the sense that its normally the dopamine system and hormone levels that are the culprit. Not necessarily just total testosterone, but also free testosterone, proper E levels (not too high nor too low), DHEA levels, and Prolactin levels. And Prolactin is a big one that gets overlooked. Medications and stress are also big overlooked factors as well.

Bromantane seems to have a good reputation for increasing sex drive. Bromantane boosts tyrosine hydroxylase and boosts dopamine and in turn improves sex drive. I've heard good experiences and horror stories of people using this. It's definitely a drug, not a supplement; so it also puts me in the position that I can't really comment on it much. I will say that for any ingredient that is a drug, consumers should always keep in mind that they never really know what they are getting for sure because now days companies can't send samples of their stuff like that to legit FDA DEA registered labs for testing without fear of getting in trouble. So its basically like these raws get ordered from overseas and the people selling them are just hoping for the best that they are what they're supposed to be. (Of course this excludes people that can get legit prescriptions for them).

9-mbc does the same as Bromantane. Same as above for Bromantane.

Inhibit-P for the prolactin issue.
Agreed. We get so many reports of people that aren't even fitness enthusiasts that experience great results with Inhibit-P and we also have a lot of people that use it that are on HRT as well. Normal feedback is improved mood and sense of well-being, enhanced libido, and better sleep quality.

Loads of good testosterone boosters on the market also. Just depends on your budget etc
We make a lot of great testosterone boosters - M-Test under CEL, Optimize-T under SNS, and then a lot of great single ingredient options that can increase testosterone such as Furosap XT, KSM-66 caps, Spilanthes XT, Bulbine Caps, and more. But I think in his particular case, its going to be something besides test since he's tried so many things to help in that avenue and they aren't helping him. But these are great options for others.

If your gonna use a PDE5 Inhibitor then for me personally Cialis has been by far the best. Other vasodilating drugs cause a lot of people bad headaches. I'm sure Horny Goat Weed is also a mild PDE5 Inhibitor. Horny Goat Weed can have PDE5 properties if the amount of Icariin (not Icariins) is high enough. Amentoflavone XT, which contains 40 mg. Amentoflavone per capsule also has had some great feedback for this purpose. We plan on doing a Horny Goat Weed XT product at some point in the coming months that will be very highly dosed Horny Goat Weed standardized for Icariin as well as doing a Libido Boost XT product that will likely blend some different sexual aid properties into it and attack it from different angles. The hardest part of formulating Libido Boost XT is that Optimize-T is already so good for libido, it was how to go a different angle and that's where we decided to go the direction of libido + volume + erection quality with it.
Any idea on the drop date for the horny goat weed?
 
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Any idea on the drop date for the horny goat weed?
I'm not sure honestly. I would say in the next couple months. We have so many things coming out that its really just where to fit it in the production lineup at. It's a constant balancing act trying to keep existing products in stock and adding new products. And we have a couple of really big and anticipated new releases coming up soon, so it will likely be sometime after those.
 

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I'm not sure honestly. I would say in the next couple months. We have so many things coming out that its really just where to fit it in the production lineup at. It's a constant balancing act trying to keep existing products in stock and adding new products. And we have a couple of really big and anticipated new releases coming up soon, so it will likely be sometime after those.
well darn… I find that supplement to be great when dosed properly (which basically doesn’t exist no a days).
 
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well darn… I find that supplement to be great when dosed properly (which basically doesn’t exist no a days).
It's in the line up so as far as I know, we'll definitely be doing one.

We will also likely be using it in Libido Boost XT as well.
 
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50mg of Proviron a day and it's hard all the time. Lol
oh …. thanks for the suggestion bro.
I think that he was being serious in the sense that most people that use it do report improved libido; it can just come along with some potential side effects of its own.

I personally wouldn't use it bc I've known some people that have that have had some prostate issues and also that it affected their mood so bad I would have rather hit them than talked to them while they were on it. I've read the occasional person say that it helps their mood but most people I've known in real life that used it, its made them really moody and snappy.

And from what you've tried and haven't had a response to, even if you tried it (which I wouldn't), I think if it did help you it would be like putting a temporary band aid on the problem rather than finding the cause of it.
 
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I think that he was being serious in the sense that most people that use it do report improved libido; it can just come along with some potential side effects of its own.

I personally wouldn't use it bc I've known some people that have that have had some prostate issues and also that it affected their mood so bad I would have rather hit them than talked to them while they were on it. I've read the occasional person say that it helps their mood but most people I've known in real life that used it, its made them really moody and snappy.

And from what you've tried and haven't had a response to, even if you tried it (which I wouldn't), I think if it did help you it would be like putting a temporary band aid on the problem rather than finding the cause of it.
ok, thank you for the additional explanation.
 
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ok, thank you for the additional explanation.
No problem at all. I didn't want you to have the impression of him that he was recommending it out of left field or messing with you.

I personally wouldn't use it bc I'm prone to hair loss anyway and after the way it affected a few people I know mood wise, I'd be scared I'd kill someone on it. I spent my days trying to avoid slapping stupid people anyway and I fear that Proviron would put me over the top lol :ROFLMAO:
 
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Doesn't Proviron (DHT) almost always increase libido and the development of male secondary sexual characteristics? I am curious because I would like to try it sometime.
 
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Doesn't Proviron (DHT) almost always increase libido and the development of male secondary sexual characteristics? I am curious because I would like to try it sometime.
I would say sometimes, not almost always because it depends on the cause. And then sometimes it makes it worse when a person stops. I'm not a fan of it personally bc of the experiences of people I know in day to day life.

I'm a much bigger fan of sticking to Epiandrosterone like Stano-Plex, EpiAndro300, EpiAndro Lean, or Epiandro Gel for those that prefer topicals. Epiandro works off of DHT and most people report an increase in libido and a more positive and motivated mood versus the mood swings that many experience on actual Proviron.
 

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