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I'll see what I can do on this. I got up to date prices on it a couple months back just to verify what was available (because a company launched a product with a standardization that didn't exist at one time and I was checking to see if it did now, and it doesn't).
If a bulk product makes sense to you business wise, cost wise and there is demand for it, that would be a plus (at least for me).
 

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I'll see what I can do on this. I got up to date prices on it a couple months back just to verify what was available (because a company launched a product with a standardization that didn't exist at one time and I was checking to see if it did now, and it doesn't).
I think it would be a good seller... if it’s a decent %... something like 20% not 3% or icarrins instead of icariin... it seems to be a decent product with some actual research behind it. Just most companies are so low dose you’d have to take 1/5 the bottle a day haha... please keep me updated!
 
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I think it would be a good seller... if it’s a decent %... something like 20% not 3% or icarrins instead of icariin... it seems to be a decent product with some actual research behind it. Just most companies are so low dose you’d have to take 1/5 the bottle a day haha... please keep me updated!
Most customers don't realize the difference so most companies offering one - if they do it the right way, they get fussed at for being so expensive when company xyz has one for 5.00. So that's traditionally been the issue with this ingredient.

If we do one, it would be a 20% icariin.
 

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Most customers don't realize the difference so most companies offering one - if they do it the right way, they get fussed at for being so expensive when company xyz has one for 5.00. So that's traditionally been the issue with this ingredient.

If we do one, it would be a 20% icariin.
if I had any idea how to do any of that I would consider it... there are very few legit % out there that aren’t absurdly high... for instance I’m taking on for $16 for 60 pills, 1 g HGW, 10% icariin, so that’s 100 mg icariin per tablet.
 
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if I had any idea how to do any of that I would consider it... there are very few legit % out there that aren’t absurdly high... for instance I’m taking on for $16 for 60 pills, 1 g HGW, 10% icariin, so that’s 100 mg icariin per tablet.
Is it 1 gram per pill? If so, that's 60 grams total HGW per bottle. If it is really 10% Icariin and not Icariins, the raw material cost alone would be over 9.00 per bottle in just raw material cost! That's before capsules, bottle, production, etc.

1 gram x 60 tabs = 60 grams per container
1 kg. = 1000 grams
1000 divided by 60 = 16.66 bottles per kg. (f the luck on that; I hate that number lol)
The price of true Horny Goat Weed at 10% Icariin is between 140 and 150 per kg.

With a price of 9.00 in just raw materials, there's no way they are making hardly anything selling it at 16 per bottle.
 
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What about bulbine?
Bulbine is good, the main thing to remember with it is that there is a dosing 'sweet spot' and more doesn't equal better. Just follow the label instructions and you'll be good to go.

Its not my top pick for libido, I prefer things like Trib, Tongkat, Boron, Divanil and Fadogia but a bit of bulbine on the side always did me good.

Typically ill hunt down a product that has some or all of those in good dosages (M Test has a lot of these).
 
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I just did some calculations based off the price of real Horny Goat Weed standardized for 20% Icariin (not Icariins).

Here would be some rough example pricing of what you could expect it to sell for if we did the following options:
- 30 caps - 500 mg. (20% Icariin) - 19.99 to 24.99
- 60 caps - 500 mg. (20% Icariin) - 29.99 to 34.99

If enough people are interested, I'm glad to do one. The fear on my end is people just buying the cheapest ones and not understanding the difference.
 

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Is it 1 gram per pill? If so, that's 60 grams total HGW per bottle. If it is really 10% Icariin and not Icariins, the raw material cost alone would be over 9.00 per bottle in just raw material cost! That's before capsules, bottle, production, etc.

1 gram x 60 tabs = 60 grams per container
1 kg. = 1000 grams
1000 divided by 60 = 16.66 bottles per kg. (f the luck on that; I hate that number lol)
The price of true Horny Goat Weed at 10% Icariin is between 140 and 150 per kg.

With a price of 9.00 in just raw materials, there's no way they are making hardly anything selling it at 16 per bottle.
that is what it is listed at... source naturals on Amazon...

 
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I just did some calculations based off the price of real Horny Goat Weed standardized for 20% Icariin (not Icariins).

Here would be some rough example pricing of what you could expect it to sell for if we did the following options:
- 30 caps - 500 mg. (20% Icariin) - 19.99 to 24.99
- 60 caps - 500 mg. (20% Icariin) - 29.99 to 34.99

If enough people are interested, I'm glad to do one. The fear on my end is people just buying the cheapest ones and not understanding the difference.
I have to assume that a bulk powder would be much less expensive?
 
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to the topic at hand, something that works quite quickly is Alpha Stano powder (caps are also coming soon) - this is epiandrosterone complexed with cyclodextrins - causes rapid uptake and improved bioavailability.

Also, someone mentioned ultra hard - this is AMAZING for libido, but it's not going to kick in within 30 min
 
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to the topic at hand, something that works quite quickly is Alpha Stano powder (caps are also coming soon) - this is epiandrosterone complexed with cyclodextrins - causes rapid uptake and improved bioavailability.

Also, someone mentioned ultra hard - this is AMAZING for libido, but it's not going to kick in within 30 min
Yes, you are 100% correct - Alpha Stano powder increases drive.
 
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I just did some calculations based off the price of real Horny Goat Weed standardized for 20% Icariin (not Icariins).

Here would be some rough example pricing of what you could expect it to sell for if we did the following options:
- 30 caps - 500 mg. (20% Icariin) - 19.99 to 24.99
- 60 caps - 500 mg. (20% Icariin) - 29.99 to 34.99

If enough people are interested, I'm glad to do one. The fear on my end is people just buying the cheapest ones and not understanding the difference.
Absolutely interested.

HGW is huge with libido. Notice this anytime I half-way mega dose it.
 
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I have to assume that a bulk powder would be much less expensive?
A little but not a lot. And it wouldn't be feasible for us to do this in a powder because the general health customer base normally won't take powders for something like this.
 
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Absolutely interested.

HGW is huge with libido. Notice this anytime I half-way mega dose it.
Thanks. I'm definitely open to doing it. My biggest concern is if enough people would know the difference with the high concentration extract to try it.
 
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For people looking for Epiandrosterone, here are some other great options:

CEL Stano-Plex - 300 mg. per capsule of Epiandrosterone + VASO6, which is great for erection quality.

Muscle Addiction EpiAndro Lean - 300 mg. per capsule of Epiandrosterone + KSM66 & Paradoxine for those focused on fat loss.

Muscle Addiction EpiAndro300 - 300 mg. per capsule of Epiandrosterone.

Xtreme Performance Gels - EpiAndro Gel for those that prefer a transdermal.
 

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Thanks. I'm definitely open to doing it. My biggest concern is if enough people would know the difference with the high concentration extract to try it.
I think they would be... it seems to be a good supplement just most people don’t look at icariin % or total icariin mg per pill... please make it! I like your other products.
 
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I've seen Butea Superba mentioned a lot for this in some threads. I'd like to ask anyone that's tried it - did you like it? What dose/brand did you use? Did you have any stomach or anxiety side effects?

I'm trying to decide if we want to include it in the libido product we are working on.
 
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speaking of epi-andro in a transdermal....iconic formulations ULTRA EPI is 450mg per dose with 28 doses per bottle and with my code THEBIGT it is $50. i've heard that transdermal delivery of certain hormones like epiandro deliverys twice as much active ingredient than oral....WOW!!!
 

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I've seen Butea Superba mentioned a lot for this in some threads. I'd like to ask anyone that's tried it - did you like it? What dose/brand did you use? Did you have any stomach or anxiety side effects?

I'm trying to decide if we want to include it in the libido product we are working on.
Im also interesting..
 
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You're going to empty my bank account with all the products you're recommending! :LOL:



I kind of feel like this is just semantics. I mean, when I feel turned on, I feel like my libido goes up. But I guess I've never actually researched the term 'libido' to see exactly what it means. But, needless to say, I have the feeling I want to have sex and that's what would refer to as libido.



Yeah that's true. I do have this ongoing anxiety disorder issue where I'm plagued by negative thoughts. My brain is just constantly trying to bring up negative things from my past and it can really stress me out. So, I'll be sexing/fapping and just some random thought will pop into my head about this girl in high school I had sex with and it went badly or I missed an opportunity to slay a girl (Man, if I know then what I would have known now, I would have had so much more sex - ah, how the youth is wasted on the young) and it will just throw me off from my game.

Another issue is I take SSRIs and those can give people problems in bed.



Interesting. Let me know when you get your capsules back in stock and I'll give them a try. How much do you need for a good libido boost? That plus 3g of citrulline might be just the trick.



Well, now, that's interesting because boron has been known for years as a phoney baloney test booster. Maybe you're just getting a placebo effect?


Boron Supplement



How does the powder taste?
I can find a ton of articles supporting Boron also - having used Nitraflex a bunch of times I can tell without a doubt it raises libido and isn't placebo. Its not as strong for me as DAA, but certainly does. Anecdotally I'm sure you'll see a lot of other folks with similar experience


DAA powder is super acidic as a powder, I prefer tablets or caps.
 
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Boron Citrate:
- I think you are mistaken.
- Boron Citrate has clinical research on it and is proven as a natural testosterone booster.
- Like anything, individual results may vary but it is definitely not 'phoney'.
- You may be thinking about back in the 90's where Boron was overhyped and under-dosed.
- Plus, I'm not sure if you know, but the person you just said that to is one of the more knowledgeable people on the forums and has posted on this and other forums when they were more popular on and off for many, many years and has done some very great, detailed logs over the years so I definitely wouldn't regard him as someone easily fooled by a placebo.
appreciate that Steve!
 
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I can find a ton of articles supporting Boron also - having used Nitraflex a bunch of times I can tell without a doubt it raises libido and isn't placebo. Its not as strong for me as DAA, but certainly does. Anecdotally I'm sure you'll see a lot of other folks with similar experience


DAA powder is super acidic as a powder, I prefer tablets or caps.
Thanks for the info on the DAA.

Reminding me of GAT Nitraflex reminded me that GAT used to sell a super test boosting version of boron called "Calcium fructopyranose borate" All the studies on it show it's good for joint health, but at the time, they were really touting it as a testosterone booster.


You can still find it on Amazon as a joint aid, but it might be a very potent test booster. But, I don't know why GAT dropped it if it was so good. Maybe they couldn't find the raws, or it just didn't pan out as they expected. I don't know. I'll shoot them an email and see what they say.
 
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Here's what GAT had to say.

Question:
Hi,
I was wondering why you no longer sell Calcium fructopyranose borate. I know it was touted as a testosterone booster a few years back, but I notice you don't carry it and only use boron citrate as your main source of boron.

Can you tell me why you decided to drop Calcium fructopyranose borate?

Answer:
Human studies are done citing 10 mg of yielded boron. We actually have double the amount of boron in the new formula. We chose this route to increase the active amount of boron to clinical amounts without adjusting the price up to our customers.

Thanks for reaching out!

May your dat be GATastic.

Team GAT
 
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Yeah that's true. I do have this ongoing anxiety disorder issue where I'm plagued by negative thoughts. My brain is just constantly trying to bring up negative things from my past and it can really stress me out. So, I'll be sexing/fapping and just some random thought will pop into my head about this girl in high school I had sex with and it went badly or I missed an opportunity to slay a girl (Man, if I know then what I would have known now, I would have had so much more sex - ah, how the youth is wasted on the young) and it will just throw me off from my game.

Another issue is I take SSRIs and those can give people problems in bed.
According to this he may just need something to just put him in more parasympathetic system -
ashwagandha and beet root powder should take care this...
 
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I just did some calculations based off the price of real Horny Goat Weed standardized for 20% Icariin (not Icariins).

Here would be some rough example pricing of what you could expect it to sell for if we did the following options:
- 30 caps - 500 mg. (20% Icariin) - 19.99 to 24.99
- 60 caps - 500 mg. (20% Icariin) - 29.99 to 34.99

If enough people are interested, I'm glad to do one. The fear on my end is people just buying the cheapest ones and not understanding the difference.
Uhh yes. Make these!
 

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