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superdrol PCT

JB7988

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hey guys,

I'm 20, been lifting hard for a few years dieting EXTREMELY well and have packed on some solid lean lean muscle. I was researching superdrol and am interested. As far as PCT can anyone recomend the best products and when and how to use them. Also during the cycle is there anything i should be taking as well?, any other info would be great thanks.
 
In regards to Superdrol... this is the norm recommendation;

Does superdrol require a PCT?
Like every ph on the block SD needs a PCT.

Give me a sample superdrol PCT.

wk1: 40mg Nolva, 600 6oxo, 3 fenugreek caps, DHEA 200mg
wk2: 40mg Nolva, 600 6oxo, 4 fenugreek caps, DHEA 200mg
wk4: 20mg Nolva, 300 6oxo, 5 fenugreek caps, DHEA 100mg
wk3: 10mg Nolva, 300 6oxo, 6 fenugreek caps, DHEA 100mg
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I personally feel you can go without a SERM for Superdrol, BUT should have one on hand JUST in case.

I would highly recommend Toremifene over Tamoxifen

120 (2 ml)-90mg(1.5 ml) (days 1-2); and rest of week 1 @ 90mg
Week 2 - 90 mg (1.5 ml)
Week 3 - 60 mg (1 ml)
Week 4 - 30 mg (.5 ml)

I WOULD run;

Post Cycle Therapy
6-oxo
Lean Xtreme

for a PCT.
 
Rob Awesome said:
In regards to Superdrol... this is the norm recommendation;



I personally feel you can go without a SERM for Superdrol, BUT should have one on hand JUST in case.

I would highly recommend Toremifene over Tamoxifen

120 (2 ml)-90mg(1.5 ml) (days 1-2); and rest of week 1 @ 90mg
Week 2 - 90 mg (1.5 ml)
Week 3 - 60 mg (1 ml)
Week 4 - 30 mg (.5 ml)

I WOULD run;

Post Cycle Therapy
6-oxo
Lean Xtreme

for a PCT.
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I would add some I3C to that PCT (PCS,6-oxo, Lean Xtreme) to help with estrogen levels ... You may also want to consider adding in some Activate Xtreme as well to help with SHBG after SD.
 
Rob Awesome said:
In regards to Superdrol... this is the norm recommendation;



I personally feel you can go without a SERM for Superdrol, BUT should have one on hand JUST in case.

I would highly recommend Toremifene over Tamoxifen

120 (2 ml)-90mg(1.5 ml) (days 1-2); and rest of week 1 @ 90mg
Week 2 - 90 mg (1.5 ml)
Week 3 - 60 mg (1 ml)
Week 4 - 30 mg (.5 ml)

I WOULD run;

Post Cycle Therapy
6-oxo
Lean Xtreme

for a PCT.
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runnin PCT should be clomid if you want to keep your maximum gains. Tomefine and tamoxifen are very similar in action and both LOWER THE OUTPUT OF IGF 1 from the liver.

tamoxifen, its retarted to go over 20mg bc 5mg of tamoxifen has been shown to work.

Clomid at 100mg per week then 50mg for another 2, run 6oxo starting week 2 of PCT at 6 caps, and then last week run it at 3 caps. PCS as far as what i saw was garbage. (trans Resveratrol also lower igf1 output by the liver) Primal Male by MAN sports is a better choice
 
Have a SERM available just incase...there's been several threads claiming delayed gyno from Superdrol and clones....better to be safe than sorry
 
JB7988 said:
hey guys,

I'm 20, been lifting hard for a few years dieting EXTREMELY well and have packed on some solid lean lean muscle. I was researching superdrol and am interested. As far as PCT can anyone recomend the best products and when and how to use them. Also during the cycle is there anything i should be taking as well?, any other info would be great thanks.
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I wouldn't run Superdrol without a SERM, it will shut you down in a matter of days. Also I WOULDN'T recommend taking potent steroids at 20 years old, be patient my friend.
 
h3yhOwy0udOin said:
I'm running...

Nolva and PCS at the same time

and after 1-2 weeks of that i'll start Lean Extreme 2.0
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I like this one myself. Throw in some DTH or some Activate X. and that's exactly what mine would look like. Don't get me wrong, I've use clomid 3 times and it seemed to have done great as well.
 
Tdubber said:
how would u run the 6oxo? 6 pills then taper down?
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no, you run your AI inversely to your SERM, start out at 3 pills a day and add 1 every week. so you're 4th week you'd be running 6 pills a day.
 
crazyfool405 said:
runnin PCT should be clomid if you want to keep your maximum gains. Tomefine and tamoxifen are very similar in action and both LOWER THE OUTPUT OF IGF 1 from the liver.

tamoxifen, its retarted to go over 20mg bc 5mg of tamoxifen has been shown to work.

Clomid at 100mg per week then 50mg for another 2, run 6oxo starting week 2 of PCT at 6 caps, and then last week run it at 3 caps. PCS as far as what i saw was garbage. (trans Resveratrol also lower igf1 output by the liver) Primal Male by MAN sports is a better choice
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say what?
 
the 6 oxo question was referring to the pct without a SERM. I am researching to do a cycle of SD 10/10/10 with no SERM and just the pct listed above... call me crazy :fool2: but with such low doses i think its possible to make and keep respectable gains without the need of a SERM..

anyone care to shoot this idea down? haha
 
Tdubber said:
the 6 oxo question was referring to the pct without a SERM. I am researching to do a cycle of SD 10/10/10 with no SERM and just the pct listed above... call me crazy :fool2: but with such low doses i think its possible to make and keep respectable gains without the need of a SERM..

anyone care to shoot this idea down? haha
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I'll shoot this idea down, running SD at 10/10/10 can still cause shutdown. many people run it at 10/10/10 and still get great gains!

don't play with SD unless you have a serm on hand!
 
crazyfool405 said:
runnin PCT should be clomid if you want to keep your maximum gains. Tomefine and tamoxifen are very similar in action and both LOWER THE OUTPUT OF IGF 1 from the liver.

tamoxifen, its retarted to go over 20mg bc 5mg of tamoxifen has been shown to work.

Clomid at 100mg per week then 50mg for another 2, run 6oxo starting week 2 of PCT at 6 caps, and then last week run it at 3 caps. PCS as far as what i saw was garbage. (trans Resveratrol also lower igf1 output by the liver) Primal Male by MAN sports is a better choice
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i do however agree with clomid as a the serm of choice for SD cycles. not a fan of nolva.
 
Clomid is better for stimulating the HPTA...but is can have some nasty psychological sides.
 
I have done a few SD cycles, never going over 20mg/day and never going more than 4 weeks. For PCT I did great on LARGE dose of 6oxo + Lean Extreme + Rebound Reloaded. I added Activate once it became available. I kept 90% of my gains. During PCT I cut out ALL cardio and loaded up on fish fish oil, protein and BCAA aminos. Still eat clean and kept the carbs down, but I would kick up the carbs 50-100 grams whenever I started feeling lethargic.
 
StanChampion said:
I have done a few SD cycles, never going over 20mg/day and never going more than 4 weeks. For PCT I did great on LARGE dose of 6oxo + Lean Extreme + Rebound Reloaded. I added Activate once it became available. I kept 90% of my gains. During PCT I cut out ALL cardio and loaded up on fish fish oil, protein and BCAA aminos. Still eat clean and kept the carbs down, but I would kick up the carbs 50-100 grams whenever I started feeling lethargic.
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doesnt sound to shabby, what is/was your bodyweight for that 20mg dose?
 
StanChampion said:
I have done a few SD cycles, never going over 20mg/day and never going more than 4 weeks. For PCT I did great on LARGE dose of 6oxo + Lean Extreme + Rebound Reloaded. I added Activate once it became available. I kept 90% of my gains. During PCT I cut out ALL cardio and loaded up on fish fish oil, protein and BCAA aminos. Still eat clean and kept the carbs down, but I would kick up the carbs 50-100 grams whenever I started feeling lethargic.
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I'm glad this worked for you, but I don't think that most people on this forum would

A) recommend running SD for 4 weeks (most people on here rec 3 weeks for SD)
B) run PCT for SD without a SERM

Looks like you just ran 2 AI's and some cort control...I don't think that I'd run 2 AI's (good chance of gyno rebound).

I read an article once about a guy that survived a car accident because he wasn't wearing his seat belt...that doesn't mean that I don't wear my seat belt when I drive. More often than not it's beneficial to use it.

Same thing goes with a SERM
 
delsolrob said:
no, you run your AI inversely to your SERM, start out at 3 pills a day and add 1 every week. so you're 4th week you'd be running 6 pills a day.
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you'll need to taper the AI dose back down AFTER PCT as well. this will prevent an estrogen rebound. you cannot suppress estrogen like this and then just drop the AI. if you do, it will cause estrogen to have a rebound effect and BAM! titties.
 
bassgod272 said:
you'll need to taper the AI dose back down AFTER PCT as well. this will prevent an estrogen rebound. you cannot suppress estrogen like this and then just drop the AI. if you do, it will cause estrogen to have a rebound effect and BAM! titties.
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THANKS FOR POSTING THAT, I MISWROTE MY ANSWER ABOVE AND DIDNT EVEN REALIZE UNTIL YOU WROTE THAT AND I WAS GOIN DOWN THE THREAD
 
Just for reference check the thread below out. Unfortunately there's too many just like it. On paper Superdrol & Mass Tabs are extremely similar, everyone seems to agree that Mass Tabs are a bit milder, & easier on shutdown.

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JB7988 said:
hey guys,

I'm 20, been lifting hard for a few years dieting EXTREMELY well and have packed on some solid lean lean muscle. I was researching superdrol and am interested. As far as PCT can anyone recomend the best products and when and how to use them. Also during the cycle is there anything i should be taking as well?, any other info would be great thanks.
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G-day Im a Aussie Personal Trainer Ive worked at Fitness First in Sydney for 3 years and now Im managing a Gym in the country. Im also studying Medical Science at Uni.

Superdrol has been very very effective for me and I highly recommend this to anyone thats looking to stack on some noticeable extra muscle while adding an extra 1000+ daily calories to there diet!! The results continued every week... but workout plans are heavy and strict.

Compared to most oral steroidal chemical structures, SD is quite "organ friendly" don't assume that you need PCT just because you read it somewhere... My advise to you...drink alot more water than you normally would while on your cycle and check your pathology before and again near the end of your cycle... To undertake therapy you must first actually need a reason for therapy!!!

Nolvedex, in layman's terms, is an estrogen blocker and is primarily used for treatment of breast cancer in women but due to the androgenic effects of some steroids, blocking the estrogen receptors would be beneficial in the production of natural testosterone. However to take something like this is stupid unless you actually have a medical reason... especially at the age of 20.
 
just to add, a prolactin inhibitor should also be incorporated. users have reported that both during and after PCT, they experienced a milky discharge coming from their nipples. estrogen related gyno is not the only culprit of the gyno that SD has and can cause. run p-5-p at 150mg in divided doses throughout the day for 1 week, 100mg for the 2nd week, 50mg for week 3, then 100mg of regular b6 for the last week.
 
lemuel said:
G-day Im a Aussie Personal Trainer Ive worked at Fitness First in Sydney for 3 years and now Im managing a Gym in the country. Im also studying Medical Science at Uni.

Superdrol has been very very effective for me and I highly recommend this to anyone thats looking to stack on some noticeable extra muscle while adding an extra 1000+ daily calories to there diet!! The results continued every week... but workout plans are heavy and strict.

Compared to most oral steroidal chemical structures, SD is quite "organ friendly" don't assume that you need PCT just because you read it somewhere... My advise to you...drink alot more water than you normally would while on your cycle and check your pathology before and again near the end of your cycle... To undertake therapy you must first actually need a reason for therapy!!!

Nolvedex, in layman's terms, is an estrogen blocker and is primarily used for treatment of breast cancer in women but due to the androgenic effects of some steroids, blocking the estrogen receptors would be beneficial in the production of natural testosterone. However to take something like this is stupid unless you actually have a medical reason... especially at the age of 20.
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:toofunny:
 
lemuel said:
G-day Im a Aussie Personal Trainer Ive worked at Fitness First in Sydney for 3 years and now Im managing a Gym in the country. Im also studying Medical Science at Uni.

Superdrol has been very very effective for me and I highly recommend this to anyone thats looking to stack on some noticeable extra muscle while adding an extra 1000+ daily calories to there diet!! The results continued every week... but workout plans are heavy and strict.

Compared to most oral steroidal chemical structures, SD is quite "organ friendly" don't assume that you need PCT just because you read it somewhere... My advise to you...drink alot more water than you normally would while on your cycle and check your pathology before and again near the end of your cycle... To undertake therapy you must first actually need a reason for therapy!!!

Nolvedex, in layman's terms, is an estrogen blocker and is primarily used for treatment of breast cancer in women but due to the androgenic effects of some steroids, blocking the estrogen receptors would be beneficial in the production of natural testosterone. However to take something like this is stupid unless you actually have a medical reason... especially at the age of 20.
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Wow. :aargh:
 
delsolrob said:
I'm glad this worked for you, but I don't think that most people on this forum would

A) recommend running SD for 4 weeks (most people on here rec 3 weeks for SD)
B) run PCT for SD without a SERM

Looks like you just ran 2 AI's and some cort control...I don't think that I'd run 2 AI's (good chance of gyno rebound).

I read an article once about a guy that survived a car accident because he wasn't wearing his seat belt...that doesn't mean that I don't wear my seat belt when I drive. More often than not it's beneficial to use it.

Same thing goes with a SERM
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Its nice to see that you belive everything you read... Typical

You can run SD for longer than 4 weeks at 3 doses of 10mgs evenly spread throughout the day and even take another 10mgs before yr workout!! FOR GOD SAKES GROW SOME BALLS and why take PCT after something like SD????? My god if you injected a real cycle of test stacked with tren and deca with oral steroids then you probably would need to take PCT!!!

The chances of SD causing Gynecomastia is like 1 in 10,000!!!

People like you are the reason why steroids are banned because youve no idea of what you doing. :fool2:
 
bassgod272 said:
just to add, a prolactin inhibitor should also be incorporated. users have reported that both during and after PCT, they experienced a milky discharge coming from their nipples. estrogen related gyno is not the only culprit of the gyno that SD has and can cause. run p-5-p at 150mg in divided doses throughout the day for 1 week, 100mg for the 2nd week, 50mg for week 3, then 100mg of regular b6 for the last week.
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Vitex (Chaste Berry) also works very well for this ...
 
lemuel said:
Its nice to see that you belive everything you read... Typical

You can run SD for longer than 4 weeks at 3 doses of 10mgs evenly spread throughout the day and even take another 10mgs before yr workout!! FOR GOD SAKES GROW SOME BALLS and why take PCT after something like SD????? My god if you injected a real cycle of test stacked with tren and deca with oral steroids then you probably would need to take PCT!!!

The chances of SD causing Gynecomastia is like 1 in 10,000!!!

People like you are the reason why steroids are banned because youve no idea of what you doing. :fool2:
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Yet 20 -25% of the people polled got delayed gyno :toofunny:

Not to mention its toxicity is worse than any otc AAS BY FAR. It's super saturated ANADROL for Gods sake. There's a couple people on AM alone that had reported near liver shutdown who used Superdrol ALONE, without any other chemicals or AAS. And have permanent liver damage. There's a responsible way to cycle and a irresponsible way - to give blind advice that could possibly mess someone up for life is reckless and plain careless.

Not to mention SERMS, which have been used successfully by top pros for years, has MANY purposes besides avoiding gyno. You need something to restart LH and normal test production which SERMS do an excellent job of. Otherwise your test won't magically come back.
 
lemuel said:
Its nice to see that you belive everything you read... Typical

You can run SD for longer than 4 weeks at 3 doses of 10mgs evenly spread throughout the day and even take another 10mgs before yr workout!! FOR GOD SAKES GROW SOME BALLS and why take PCT after something like SD????? My god if you injected a real cycle of test stacked with tren and deca with oral steroids then you probably would need to take PCT!!!

The chances of SD causing Gynecomastia is like 1 in 10,000!!!

People like you are the reason why steroids are banned because youve no idea of what you doing. :fool2:
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:toofunny: :toofunny: :toofunny: :fool2:
 
lemuel said:
I pity you :goodpost:
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PLEASE PLEASE do not pity me. i am not the one who ran SD without hawthorne bery, prostate support, liver support, a proper PCT, etc. lol. you need to pity yourself. did you get bloodwork done btw? if so, PLEASE post the values before and after the cycle. i'm quite curious as to what the results were. 40mg SD for more than 4 weeks with no PCT. great recommendation :) because of you, some newb is now going to get jaundice. please remove yourself from our board. thank you.
 
Ziquor said:
Yet 20 -25% of the people polled got delayed gyno :toofunny:

Not to mention its toxicity is worse than any otc AAS BY FAR. It's super saturated ANADROL for Gods sake. There's a couple people on AM alone that had reported near liver shutdown who used Superdrol ALONE, without any other chemicals or AAS. And have permanent liver damage. There's a responsible way to cycle and a irresponsible way - to give blind advice that could possibly mess someone up for life is reckless and plain careless.

Not to mention SERMS, which have been used successfully by top pros for years, has MANY purposes besides avoiding gyno. You need something to restart LH and normal test production which SERMS do an excellent job of. Otherwise your test won't magically come back.
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Superdrol is a mild androgen, and anti-estrogenic. There is no occurrence of acne, excessive hair growth, indications of benign prostate hypertrophy BPH. 40mg, There is a tendency to bruise more easily. There is a zero estrogen conversion with Superdrol, because it's 5-reduced and A-ring alkylated on top of that. Binding to the aromatase enzyme, estrogen production will be reduced. Also, the parent compound Masteron is used exclusively as an anti-neoplastic for metastatic breast cancer, so Superdrol is a strong anti-e. Clearly, Superdrol is not progestational, it is non-aromatizable, and even anti-estrogenic.

But this said, it is worth reminding you that no one is clear on what the reasons are for why people get gyno. It can occur even in people using substances with these characteristics. One tester thought he could be having some early symptoms of gyno, although on paper there is clearly no reason to suspect Superdrol contributed to this. The point to take from this is that it is imperative to always have nolvadex or generic tamoxifen citrate powder on hand to administer at the first notice of symptoms of gyno.
 
bassgod272 said:
PLEASE PLEASE do not pity me. i am not the one who ran SD without hawthorne bery, prostate support, liver support, a proper PCT, etc. lol. you need to pity yourself. did you get bloodwork done btw? if so, PLEASE post the values before and after the cycle. i'm quite curious as to what the results were. 40mg SD for more than 4 weeks with no PCT. great recommendation :) because of you, some newb is now going to get jaundice. please remove yourself from our board. thank you.
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I pity you :toofunny:

Do you think I am going to scan my pathology results for you and post them like a **** head hahaha You probably wouldnt even be able to comprehend them you fool.

**** off
 
lemuel said:
Superdrol is a mild androgen, and anti-estrogenic. There is no occurrence of acne, excessive hair growth, indications of benign prostate hypertrophy BPH. 40mg, There is a tendency to bruise more easily. There is a zero estrogen conversion with Superdrol, because it's 5-reduced and A-ring alkylated on top of that. Binding to the aromatase enzyme, estrogen production will be reduced. Also, the parent compound Masteron is used exclusively as an anti-neoplastic for metastatic breast cancer, so Superdrol is a strong anti-e. Clearly, Superdrol is not progestational, it is non-aromatizable, and even anti-estrogenic.

But this said, it is worth reminding you that no one is clear on what the reasons are for why people get gyno. It can occur even in people using substances with these characteristics. One tester thought he could be having some early symptoms of gyno, although on paper there is clearly no reason to suspect Superdrol contributed to this. The point to take from this is that it is imperative to always have nolvadex or generic tamoxifen citrate powder on hand to administer at the first notice of symptoms of gyno.
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superdrol has only been around for like 10yrs. there are ZERO long term studies on it. it DOES increase levels of DHT in the body and DHT DOES negatively effect the prostate. which is why you DO need to take 325mg saw palmetto to combat these negative effects. the reasons ARE clear as to why users got gyno. they either did NOT run a PROPER PCT with a SERM, they incuded ATD in their PCT protocol, they ran ATD by itself as their PCT, they did NO PCT AT ALL, they inversely ramped up the AI dose with the SERM and ceased taking the AI the 4th week, and estrogen rebounded. they got PROLACTIN induced gyno because SD DOES inhibit prolactin itself. they did not take anything to control the prolactin levels after the cycle, so the suppressed levels rebounded after the SD cleared the system. you're ridiculously unknowledgable. do you even know what methylation DOES to a compound?
 
bassgod272 said:
superdrol has only been around for like 10yrs. there are ZERO long term studies on it. it DOES increase levels of DHT in the body and DHT DOES negatively effect the prostate. which is why you DO need to take 325mg saw palmetto to combat these negative effects. the reasons ARE clear as to why users got gyno. they either did NOT run a PROPER PCT with a SERM, they incuded ATD in their PCT protocol, they ran ATD by itself as their PCT, they did NO PCT AT ALL, they inversely ramped up the AI dose with the SERM and ceased taking the AI the 4th week, and estrogen rebounded. they got PROLACTIN induced gyno because SD DOES inhibit prolactin itself. they did not take anything to control the prolactin levels after the cycle, so the suppressed levels rebounded after the SD cleared the system. you're ridiculously unknowledgable. do you even know what methylation DOES to a compound?
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saw palmetto side effects have also been documented these include nausea, cramping, headaches and diarrhea, bleeding or blood clotting disorders (such as hemophilia, stomach ulcers with active bleeding, ulcerative colitis, Crohn's disease, liver disease, heart disease, heart rhythm disorder a history, asthma or other breathing disorders. Taking birth control pills, estrogen replacement medications, tamoxifen (like Nolvadex), toremifene (such as Fareston), testosterone or other types of anabolic steroid, or any hormone-related medicine in general can interact and become harmful. Keep in mind that medications other than those mentioned may also react to saw palmetto and potentially harm you.

In your mind, there seems to be a drug for everything except your ignorance.

Can you recommend some PCT cycle for your PCT cycle eg.. ( saw palmetto, Nolvadex ect..) :toofunny:
 
lemuel said:
Superdrol is a mild androgen, and anti-estrogenic. There is no occurrence of acne, excessive hair growth, indications of benign prostate hypertrophy BPH. 40mg, There is a tendency to bruise more easily. There is a zero estrogen conversion with Superdrol, because it's 5-reduced and A-ring alkylated on top of that. Binding to the aromatase enzyme, estrogen production will be reduced. Also, the parent compound Masteron is used exclusively as an anti-neoplastic for metastatic breast cancer, so Superdrol is a strong anti-e. Clearly, Superdrol is not progestational, it is non-aromatizable, and even anti-estrogenic.

But this said, it is worth reminding you that no one is clear on what the reasons are for why people get gyno. It can occur even in people using substances with these characteristics. One tester thought he could be having some early symptoms of gyno, although on paper there is clearly no reason to suspect Superdrol contributed to this. The point to take from this is that it is imperative to always have nolvadex or generic tamoxifen citrate powder on hand to administer at the first notice of symptoms of gyno.
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There's no proof that Superdrol acts as an Anti-E. Superdrol is NOTHING like Masteron, once you methylate a compound, a completely different compound is yielded. Look at Boldenone which is VERY dry and non estrogenic. Methylate Bold and you have Dianabol - they're COMPLETELY different. Dbol is wet and leads to good amounts of water retention.

Also gyno can occur from MANY other thing besides estrogen conversion. Superdrol is a designer steroid that is made from Anadrol, and as such little to no scientific proven data is available, which will remain as such unless Superdrol one day becomes approved for medical use, which doubtfully will ever happen.

lemuel said:
There is a tendency to bruise more easily.
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Correct, the 1st signs of possibly liver disease or extreme liver toxicity at the very least. Searching forums and copy and pasting information isn't clinical research my friend.
 
lemuel said:
saw palmetto side effects have also been documented these include nausea, cramping, headaches and diarrhea, bleeding or blood clotting disorders (such as hemophilia, stomach ulcers with active bleeding, ulcerative colitis, Crohn's disease, liver disease, heart disease, heart rhythm disorder a history, asthma or other breathing disorders. Taking birth control pills, estrogen replacement medications, tamoxifen (like Nolvadex), toremifene (such as Fareston), testosterone or other types of anabolic steroid, or any hormone-related medicine in general can interact and become harmful. Keep in mind that medications other than those mentioned may also react to saw palmetto and potentially harm you.

In your mind, there seems to be a drug for everything except your ignorance.

Can you recommend some PCT cycle for your PCT cycle eg.. ( saw palmetto, Nolvadex ect..) :toofunny:
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Next, vitamins & water will be bad for us. These were some of the most amusing, if not plain absurd posts I've seen in quite some time. Thanks for the entertainment. Ignorance is bliss, and if you want to screw your own body and life up feel free as it is your right. Please don't try to drag others with you.
 
bassgod272 said:
superdrol has only been around for like 10yrs. there are ZERO long term studies on it. it DOES increase levels of DHT in the body and DHT DOES negatively effect the prostate. which is why you DO need to take 325mg saw palmetto to combat these negative effects. the reasons ARE clear as to why users got gyno. they either did NOT run a PROPER PCT with a SERM, they incuded ATD in their PCT protocol, they ran ATD by itself as their PCT, they did NO PCT AT ALL, they inversely ramped up the AI dose with the SERM and ceased taking the AI the 4th week, and estrogen rebounded. they got PROLACTIN induced gyno because SD DOES inhibit prolactin itself. they did not take anything to control the prolactin levels after the cycle, so the suppressed levels rebounded after the SD cleared the system. you're ridiculously unknowledgable. do you even know what methylation DOES to a compound?
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The smart approx to taking steroids (if there is such a thing) is to track your health eg.. Blood tests, personal performance ect.. and dont throw more **** into your body (PCT) unless you actually have a strong indication for it.

Thats what Ive been saying all along.:fool2:
 
Ziquor said:
Next, vitamins & water will be bad for us. These were some of the most amusing, if not plain absurd posts I've seen in quite some time. Thanks for the entertainment. Ignorance is bliss, and if you want to screw your own body and life up feel free as it is your right. Please don't try to drag others with you.
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Well too much b12 can ruin your central nervous system too much Vitamin a can kill you .. 100 L of water drunken in one hour will kill you ...

Your a f. u. c. k. wit !!
 
Ziquor said:
Yet 20 -25% of the people polled got delayed gyno :toofunny:

Not to mention its toxicity is worse than any otc AAS BY FAR. It's super saturated ANADROL for Gods sake. There's a couple people on AM alone that had reported near liver shutdown who used Superdrol ALONE, without any other chemicals or AAS. And have permanent liver damage. There's a responsible way to cycle and a irresponsible way - to give blind advice that could possibly mess someone up for life is reckless and plain careless.

Not to mention SERMS, which have been used successfully by top pros for years, has MANY purposes besides avoiding gyno. You need something to restart LH and normal test production which SERMS do an excellent job of. Otherwise your test won't magically come back.
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AND NOT TO MENTION its used in the medical feild, MISTER DONT ASSUME YOU NEED PCT,

PCT IS NEEDED, I DONT KNOW WHERE YOU GET YOUR INFORMATION, YOU GET BLOOD WORK DONE? YOU IMPOTENT? DUDE YOU NEED TO GO BACK TO MED SCHOOL AND LEARN.
NOT TALKING TO YOU ZIQOUR (OBVIOUSLY)

FOR GOD SAKES,

SD NEEDS A SERM, AND AN AI, I PERSONALLY HAVE NOPRLACTIN ISSUES SO I DONT BOTHER WITH ANY CABER OR P5P, BUT FOR USERS SUSEPTIBL;E ITS A GOOD IDEA. GET BLOOD WORK DONE ASWELL, IM LUCKY MY DOCTOR AND I ARE COOL I CAN GET BLOOD BEFORE DURING AND AFTER TO SEE WHATS GOING ON IN MY BODY.

PS GUYS, LOOK FOWARD TO MY BLOODWORK ON 6BROMO IN OCTOBER. GUNNA GET IT DONE 2 WEEKS INTO (NOT RUNNING IT AS PCT, BUT AS SOMETHING THAT MAY CONVERT TO A STEROID, AND IF BLOOD WORK IS POSITIVE PCT WILL BE DETERMINED THERE.

ZIQOUR, GOOD POST BRO AS USUAL,
 
lemuel said:
Well too much b12 can ruin your central nervous system too much Vitamin a can kill you .. 100 L of water drunken in one hour will kill you ...

Your a f. u. c. k. wit !!
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Interesting, further proving my points. IN
 
lemuel said:
saw palmetto side effects have also been documented these include nausea, cramping, headaches and diarrhea, bleeding or blood clotting disorders (such as hemophilia, stomach ulcers with active bleeding, ulcerative colitis, Crohn's disease, liver disease, heart disease, heart rhythm disorder a history, asthma or other breathing disorders. Taking birth control pills, estrogen replacement medications, tamoxifen (like Nolvadex), toremifene (such as Fareston), testosterone or other types of anabolic steroid, or any hormone-related medicine in general can interact and become harmful. Keep in mind that medications other than those mentioned may also react to saw palmetto and potentially harm you.

In your mind, there seems to be a drug for everything except your ignorance.

Can you recommend some PCT cycle for your PCT cycle eg.. ( saw palmetto, Nolvadex ect..) :toofunny:
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ignorance? i think not. pharmacy school? yes. is there a drug for everything? just about. EVERYTHING has side effects. but you know what is REALLY bad? DESTROYING your lipid profile, liver, blood pressure, prostate, and HPTA with SD and NOT doing a proper PCT. do NOT preach to me ANYTHING regarding medications, OTC compounds, and their interactions. your last comment doesn't even make sense. are you on illegal drugs? Few severe side effects of saw palmetto are noted in the published scientific literature. The most common complaints involve the stomach and intestines, and include stomach pain, nausea, vomiting, bad breath, constipation, and diarrhea. Stomach upset caused by saw palmetto may be reduced by taking it with food. Some reports suggest that there may be less abdominal discomfort with the preparation lipidosterolic extract of Serenoa repens (LSESR). A small number of reports describe ulcers or liver damage and yellowing of the skin (jaundice), but the role of saw palmetto is not clear in these cases. Similarly, reports of headache, dizziness, insomnia, depression, breathing difficulties, muscle pain, high blood pressure, chest pain, abnormal heart rhythm, and heart disease have been reported, but are not clearly caused by saw palmetto. you need to do more research.
 
HAHA, check out this intellectuals comment on my AM Space profile. Those words seem a bit harsh, haha. :hammer:
 
Ziquor said:
There's no proof that Superdrol acts as an Anti-E. Superdrol is NOTHING like Masteron, once you methylate a compound, a completely different compound is yielded. Look at Boldenone which is VERY dry and non estrogenic. Methylate Bold and you have Dianabol - they're COMPLETELY different. Dbol is wet and leads to good amounts of water retention.

Also gyno can occur from MANY other thing besides estrogen conversion. Superdrol is a designer steroid that is made from Anadrol, and as such little to no scientific proven data is available, which will remain as such unless Superdrol one day becomes approved for medical use, which doubtfully will ever happen.



Correct, the 1st signs of possibly liver disease or extreme liver toxicity at the very least. Searching forums and copy and pasting information isn't clinical research my friend.
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nah bro, SD IS an anti-e. aside from many others stating this as well, during my phera/SD bridge, as soon as i added in the SD, bloating and puffy nips decreased quite noticeably.
 
bassgod272 said:
nah bro, SD IS an anti-e. aside from many others stating this as well, during my phera/SD bridge, as soon as i added in the SD, bloating and puffy nips decreased quite noticeably.
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It very well may be just like Masteron is. I was just sayin there's no actual documented evidence, but being a designer I doubt there ever will be. Similarly with the Epithios like PA stated, the non-methyl version was used as an anti-e for years in JP but by adding the methyl group, it's very possible there isn't any AI properties to it. It seems to act differently in different people.
 
Ziquor said:
It very well may be just like Masteron is. I was just sayin there's no actual documented evidence, but being a designer I doubt there ever will be. Similarly with the Epithios like PA stated, the non-methyl version was used as an anti-e for years in JP but by adding the methyl group, it's very possible there isn't any AI properties to it. It seems to act differently in different people.
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i hear what you're saying bro. however epi IS for SURE a potent AI which is why it can be used to reduce lumps in breast tissue. some people get over zealous though and end up trying to run an actual cycle at the same time. you are supposed to only use 10mg daily for 4 weeks. well, most people turn that into 20 and 30mg lol. then they end up INCREASING the gyno irritation. epi and clones are definitely AI's though. it is an AI, but also a steroidal compound, which is why it can worsen gyno in some. aside from the fact that everyBODY is different.
 
delsolrob said:
I'm glad this worked for you, but I don't think that most people on this forum would

A) recommend running SD for 4 weeks (most people on here rec 3 weeks for SD)
B) run PCT for SD without a SERM

Looks like you just ran 2 AI's and some cort control...I don't think that I'd run 2 AI's (good chance of gyno rebound).

I read an article once about a guy that survived a car accident because he wasn't wearing his seat belt...that doesn't mean that I don't wear my seat belt when I drive. More often than not it's beneficial to use it.

Same thing goes with a SERM
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Yes, for some people my PCT regime might not work out. I am not recommending any PCT protocol, just throwing out what worked for me on more than one occasion. I think that when SD was legal there were alot of people running 6oxo and other OTC products for PCT and it seemed to work.

I think the BCAA and protein increase after the cycle also helped me retain my gains. I also believe it is the way you train. I train the same way whether I am on a cycle or not. If I start feeling run down I day a off and jack up carbs, protein and sleep.
 
lemuel said:
The smart approx to taking steroids (if there is such a thing) is to track your health eg.. Blood tests, personal performance ect.. and dont throw more **** into your body (PCT) unless you actually have a strong indication for it.

Thats what Ive been saying all along.:fool2:
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i am totally with you on this............this board has gone PCT happy........... its sad actually..........

my argument is and always will be............post all the studies you want............without bloodwork,,,,,ya got nothing.
 
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