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superdrol PCT

Kristofer68SS said:
i am totally with you on this............this board has gone PCT happy........... its sad actually..........

my argument is and always will be............post all the studies you want............without bloodwork,,,,,ya got nothing.
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people HAVE had blood work WITH AND WITHOUT PROPER PCT. search back when SD first came out and you will see the results. have fun killing yourselves slowly each time you run SD or any PH for that matter, without taking the proper ancillaries. you both belong over at the "other" bb site. there are many other genius's like you over there :)
 
bassgod272 said:
people HAVE had blood work WITH AND WITHOUT PROPER PCT. search back when SD first came out and you will see the results. have fun killing yourselves slowly each time you run SD or any PH for that matter, without taking the proper ancillaries. you both belong over at the "other" bb site. there are many other genius's like you over there :)
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X2. There's been hundreds of posts where full PCT was used for SD and bloodwork was posted before and after. In fact the only logs I seen where 2 people didn't recover properly - they didn't use a proper PCT (SERM). Kris, I can post tons of blood tested cycles that included proper PCT. Would you please post the ones where people didn't use PCT and still recovered? Thanks.
 
i am not stating pct is not needed. Far from it.

I am stating that overkill on pct is running amuck. Many that end up in overstimulation of hormones that in turn result in gyno.

8 weeks of messing with hormones for a 3 week cycle just dont add up to me guys. sorry, not budging on that.

also, there is not any guarantee of quality of ANY of serms we buy without a prescription. remember they are research chemicals, suspended in liquid, not tablets. there is a difference.

there is a fine line on pct. Too little and your up **** creek, too much and your up the same creek.

I really think alot of recommendations around here have several flaws.

1. More is better
2. They are sales motivated.
3. Based on illegal/research chemicals
4. Not doctor supervised/blood tests
5. Are not accurate-based on post/threads which contain non truth
6. what worked for joe blow is good for billy bob

I can go on.

PCT is person independant. I really wish guys would understand that. Without several bloodtests, there is no pct that is guaranteed. Serm or not.

I want to know how many guys got titties from NO PCT.
 
what the Fvck has been going on? I've been away for a few days...I don't even know where to begin to respond to some of this!

lemuel, blood work is always a good idea! a lot of the people on here preach getting blood work done pre and post cycle so you can put a proper PCT together. Do you think that the majority of the people that read these forums (often inexperienced users) will take the time (and money) to get blood work done...no! They can buy a bottle of SD for $25 and they don't understand why something that is so cheap (and OTC) can require so much support (support supps, blood work, PCT, etc). Because it's so cheap they don't take it seriously and often they don't even realize it's a steroid.

There are tons of threads on this forum of people (often too young) getting into trouble because they didn't run proper PCT and they did the research when they ran into trouble instead of doing their research before they took the substance. (I personally posted to 2 of these on Friday alone).

Bottom line, I think most people on this forum preach for the safest path for the general person. I think that your disposition is reckless and could be considered irresponsible on this type of forum.

I too would be interested in seeing your blood work before and after an extended SD cycle!! Considering your possition on the topic I don't see why you wouldn't post this...even just to prove your point.

quote from thesinner "Let's also start by saying that you don't have to run post cycle therapy.........you also don't have to wipe your ass after taking a dump: it's just a really really good idea to do these things"
 
Kristofer68SS said:
i am not stating pct is not needed. Far from it.

I am stating that overkill on pct is running amuck. Many that end up in overstimulation of hormones that in turn result in gyno.

8 weeks of messing with hormones for a 3 week cycle just dont add up to me guys. sorry, not budging on that.

also, there is not any guarantee of quality of ANY of serms we buy without a prescription. remember they are research chemicals, suspended in liquid, not tablets. there is a difference.

there is a fine line on pct. Too little and your up **** creek, too much and your up the same creek.

I really think alot of recommendations around here have several flaws.

1. More is better
2. They are sales motivated.
3. Based on illegal/research chemicals
4. Not doctor supervised/blood tests
5. Are not accurate-based on post/threads which contain non truth
6. what worked for joe blow is good for billy bob

I can go on.

PCT is person independant. I really wish guys would understand that. Without several bloodtests, there is no pct that is guaranteed. Serm or not.

I want to know how many guys got titties from NO PCT.
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Research chems can have quality unknowns just like OTC hormones do. But I've never used research chems. Just with the loopholes with otc hormones there's many loopholes with prescription meds that are not controlled. Controlled meds like narcotics have crazy restrictions & laws. But with non-controlled meds like anti-depressants, anti-biotics, SERMS, etc, its extremely easy to obtain the name brand meds in pill form legally.
 
Kristofer68SS said:
i am not stating pct is not needed. Far from it.

I am stating that overkill on pct is running amuck. Many that end up in overstimulation of hormones that in turn result in gyno.

8 weeks of messing with hormones for a 3 week cycle just dont add up to me guys. sorry, not budging on that.

also, there is not any guarantee of quality of ANY of serms we buy without a prescription. remember they are research chemicals, suspended in liquid, not tablets. there is a difference.

there is a fine line on pct. Too little and your up **** creek, too much and your up the same creek.

I really think alot of recommendations around here have several flaws.

1. More is better
2. They are sales motivated.
3. Based on illegal/research chemicals
4. Not doctor supervised/blood tests
5. Are not accurate-based on post/threads which contain non truth
6. what worked for joe blow is good for billy bob

I can go on.

PCT is person independant. I really wish guys would understand that. Without several bloodtests, there is no pct that is guaranteed. Serm or not.

I want to know how many guys got titties from NO PCT.
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first, check your english. 2nd, who said anything about research chemicals? nobody said "go buy a research chem." serms are available via prescription and online pharmacies. you can get them in Mexico without a prescription at all. there are other means besides research chems.

1. More is NOT better
2. Not ONE guy arguing with you is a rep for ANY company.
3. They are NOT based of ANYTHING illegal
4. MANY HAVE had and DO get blood work, but do not post. Also, MANY DO get blood work and DO post. I will tell you this again; search back when SD first came out and you will find blood work from a PROPER PCT and ZERO PCT. You will be surprised ith the results. Check out Ziquor's poll on who got gyno from SD. See who ran a proper PCT and who didn't.
5. not even sure wtf you're trying to say there.
6. There is no such thing as a one size fits all PCT. EveryBODY is different. The recommendations provided are simply GUIDELINES. Some recover faster and their HPTA gets u and running quicker. They need less of a PCT. Others are prone to shutdown/suppression, so they need a heavier PCT.

Regardless, SD DOES cause BOTH estrogen AND prolactin induced gyno. It DOES have a STRONG reputation for causing delayed gyno. In order to prevent these effects, and many other side effects from this compound, you DO need to take the proper ancillaries. You can only get lucky so many times. I'm unsubscribed from this thread as of now. I have no titties and it will stay that way. Have fun with yours you 2. :)
 
lemuel said:
Its nice to see that you belive everything you read... Typical

You can run SD for longer than 4 weeks at 3 doses of 10mgs evenly spread throughout the day and even take another 10mgs before yr workout!! FOR GOD SAKES GROW SOME BALLS and why take PCT after something like SD????? My god if you injected a real cycle of test stacked with tren and deca with oral steroids then you probably would need to take PCT!!!

The chances of SD causing Gynecomastia is like 1 in 10,000!!!

People like you are the reason why steroids are banned because youve no idea of what you doing. :fool2:
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You just made some pretty bold statements. For someone who is studying medicine you seem to be pretty naiive. Maybe you react very well to SD, but every one is different. Have you ever had blood work done after your cycles? telling people that SD does not need pct is very irresponsible. the same goes for telling people that it is organ friendly and can be run for much longer than 4 weeks. I've personnally seen SD do a lot of damage to a lot of people This compound is not to be taken lightly.
 
dice404 said:
You just made some pretty bold statements. For someone who is studying medicine you seem to be pretty naiive. Maybe you react very well to SD, but every one is different. Have you ever had blood work done after your cycles? telling people that SD does not need pct is very irresponsible. the same goes for telling people that it is organ friendly and can be run for much longer than 4 weeks. I've personnally seen SD do a lot of damage to a lot of people This compound is not to be taken lightly.
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did these people drink alcohol while on SD? what were their doses? what did their past steroid use consist of? what was their age? What was their body weight in relation to dosages? how much water did they intake while on? Did they consume enough carbs while on? how much sleep did they get? Did they happen to be taking ANY other vitamins and/medications while on SD? Did they have bloodwork prior, during and after superdrol to validate this "damage", if so do you have that documentation readily available for viewing? ad nausem............... see where i am going?????

I dont take SD lightly, but i want and need information with valid data for statements like the above.

I will extend those questions and requests to bassgod272 as well.
 
Kristofer68SS said:
did these people drink alcohol while on SD? what were their doses? what did their past steroid use consist of? what was their age? What was their body weight in relation to dosages? how much water did they intake while on? Did they consume enough carbs while on? how much sleep did they get? Did they happen to be taking ANY other vitamins and/medications while on SD? Did they have bloodwork prior, during and after superdrol to validate this "damage", if so do you have that documentation readily available for viewing? ad nausem............... see where i am going?????

I dont take SD lightly, but i want and need information with valid data for statements like the above.

I will extend those questions and requests to bassgod272 as well.
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I believe T-B had his liver nearly destroyed from Superdrol alone without using extreme doses, no drinking on cycle, etc. No other PH/PS were used either.
 
Here's another I seen a while back. There was a few interesting cases when Superdrol's popularity was peaked a couple of years ago.

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I never read that specific article z, nice find. Everything from his clinical presentation to lab/diagnostic results was very supportive of his hepatic/biliary cholestasis diagnosis. Not to mention his fairly significant azotemia/borderline renal(kidney) failure.

Now - Was this guy truly a good historian and truthfull when denying behaviors such drinking alcohol or taking other medicinal drugs while taking the superdrol? There is no way to be completely certain for sure, but i noticed a few very important diagnostic blood tests were omitted from this article

There was no posting of blood and urine drug screens, etoh(alcohol) level, acetaminophen(tylenol) level, and salicylate level. If someone presented to any E.R. with his general complaints, he would have had the standard overdose protocol implimented right from the beginning. The next course of action would have depended upon results from blood tests and diagnostic tests(Ultra Sound and CT Scan).

They did rule out some of the more significant systemic disease causes such as Hepatitis: A,B,C, and HIV, however there still could have been many other causes including an auto-immune hepatitis.

It was a good read, but being in the medical profession and reading it strictly as an outsider, i can tell you that key diagnostic blood tests seem to have been omitted from the article. Why? I have no idea.
 
Trauma1 said:
I never read that specific article z, nice find. Everything from his clinical presentation to lab/diagnostic results was very supportive of his hepatic/biliary cholestasis diagnosis. Not to mention his fairly significant azotemia/borderline renal(kidney) failure.

Now - Was this guy truly a good historian and truthfull when denying behaviors such drinking alcohol or taking other medicinal drugs while taking the superdrol? There is no way to be completely certain for sure, but i noticed a few very important diagnostic blood tests were omitted from this article

There was no posting of blood and urine drug screens, etoh(alcohol) level, acetaminophen(tylenol) level, and salicylate level. If someone presented to any E.R. with his general complaints, he would have had the standard overdose protocol implimented right from the beginning. The next course of action would have depended upon results from blood tests and diagnostic tests(Ultra Sound and CT Scan).

They did rule out some of the more significant systemic disease causes such as Hepatitis: A,B,C, and HIV, however there still could have been many other causes including an auto-immune hepatitis.

It was a good read, but being in the medical profession and reading it strictly as an outsider, i can tell you that key diagnostic blood tests seem to have been omitted from the article. Why? I have no idea.
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Excellent points J. Good to have your 'professional opinion' :) I agree, when I was reading through it I considered how many 'what ifs' there could have been. It's amazing to me how extreme people think of certain PS's, especially with Superdrol/clones. Some demonize it as poseinous snake oil, yet others feel it's a mild anabolic requiring little to no PCT.

But one thing I hope people realize from that medical report is how important it is to get blood work before/after any cycle, especially before. I'm sure in your field you can attest to the fact that so many people, regardless of how young & healthy one is/feels - can have some potentially nastly health threats without ever experiencing any signs or symptoms. Then taking AAS could really bring out some severe issue you never realized you had.
 
Ziquor said:
Excellent points J. Good to have your 'professional opinion' :) I agree, when I was reading through it I considered how many 'what ifs' there could have been. It's amazing to me how extreme people think of certain PS's, especially with Superdrol/clones. Some demonize it as poseinous snake oil, yet others feel it's a mild anabolic requiring little to no PCT.

But one thing I hope people realize from that medical report is how important it is to get blood work before/after any cycle, especially before. I'm sure in your field you can attest to the fact that so many people, regardless of how young & healthy one is/feels - can have some potentially nastly health threats without ever experiencing any signs or symptoms. Then taking AAS could really bring out some severe issue you never realized you had.
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Absolutely. Hypertension........One of the most famous of the silent killers. ;)

Many disease states progress fairly insidiously with either asymptomatic or very generalized symptamology. Regular physicals and blood work are VERY important.
 
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