Superdrol .... 5mg for 3 weeks results!

I don't really know if it's reliable or not, but I wish someone could test it for us :D

But the problem is, its difficult to notice if its REALLY the SD giving result in such a long period or if its just placebo effect, diet, working out harder etc.
 
pocketboy said:
I don't really know if it's reliable or not, but I wish someone could test it for us :D

But the problem is, its difficult to notice if its REALLY the SD giving result in such a long period or if its just placebo effect, diet, working out harder etc.
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long period as in 8-12 weeks?
 
pocketboy said:
I don't really know if it's reliable or not, but I wish someone could test it for us :D

But the problem is, its difficult to notice if its REALLY the SD giving result in such a long period or if its just placebo effect, diet, working out harder etc.
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Think of it this way....
The male human produces roughly 10 mg of test a day on the high side
thats 70 mg a week.

Now lets say you added an extra 15 mg a week to that......you end up with 85 mg a week


Thats a 12% increase, nothing drastic but who wouldnt want

Now lets replace the extra test with SD

The fact that SD might be 4x as anabolic and that 12% ends up being a 48% increase in anabolism. Now subtract some slight suppression effects of lower endegenous and you end up with a roughly 35% increase in anabolic effect.

Theost net equivelant anabolic effect of 95 mg test a week, over 70 mg naturally
So your 15 mg of SD a week added the equivalent anabolic effects of 25 mg test including suppression at homeasis. Thats a net anabolic effect of 2.5 days production extra.


Many more factors go into it, but sure, slow steady gains are theoretically possible

Dosed in the AM to piggyback your natural testosterone surge could possibly reduce supression leaving more endegenous in place for a higher net anabolic effect.
Also a strong Glut-4 translocator would be a huge plus.


The absolute best case scenario:
1. Early AM dosing to piggyback natural test surge (at low dose)
2. Early AM workout under the influence of a highly anabolic enviroment
3. Also a high carb meal immediately following to take advantage of strong glut-4 translocation
4. Compound with short half life, not interfering when the next testosterone surge of the day occurs
5. A low doseAI would seem to be a benefit to keeping endengenous levels higher if your chosen compund doesnt have AI effects. Aromatase activity will probably increase with higher levels of anabolics, and your endegenous test will convert to E. E is much more suppresive. The goal is to keep endegenous levels as high as possible
6. High GH release at night would help restoring test levels for the next day morning surge/dose. Anything that would cause this is good (L-Dopa)


Compound Characteristics (IMO):
1. Non aromatizing, unless coupled with low dose AI
2. Short half life
3. Weak AR binding (?)
4. Strong glut-4 translocator
 
Umberto - i like your thinking

But people say that that extra bit of test per week will do nothing... apparently
 
pocketboy said:
"Also a strong Glut-4 translocator would be a huge plus." what's GLUT-4 translocator please ?
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Any substance that will bring the normally dormant GLUT-4 transport protein to the cell membrane so that uptake of carbohydrates and its resulting storage as glycogen in muscle tissue is facilitated. I may be using inexact terms here but that's my basic understanding.

An example of a supplement that's purported to do this is USPLabs' Anabolic Pump.

The natural way to ensure GLUT-4 translocation is exercise...hence, the post-workout "Anabolic Window".
 
Ninjo said:
Any substance that will bring the normally dormant GLUT-4 transport protein to the cell membrane so that uptake of carbohydrates and its resulting storage as glycogen in muscle tissue is facilitated. I may be using inexact terms here but that's my basic understanding.

An example of a supplement that's purported to do this is USPLabs' Anabolic Pump.

The natural way to ensure GLUT-4 translocation is exercise...hence, the post-workout "Anabolic Window".
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I tried Anabolic Pump, didnt work for me too well, oh well :(
 
So other than b5s402 - has anyone else low dosed Epi and seen any positive or negative results?

It seems like some of the discussions within this thread are turning into a "Pulsing Mini Cycle" = low dosages only on MWF... whats the general consensus on this?
 
TGD said:
So other than b5s402 - has anyone else low dosed Epi and seen any positive or negative results?

It seems like some of the discussions within this thread are turning into a "Pulsing Mini Cycle" = low dosages only on MWF... whats the general consensus on this?
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I have pulsed Epi MWF 10/20/30/30/40
 
TGD said:
So you ran a standard pulse vs a low dose... (or a low dose pulse)?

Good results?
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Standard dose. The dose is posted there. The pulse was good but epi is very mild & takes a while to see results. Pulsing is not that necessary but once it finally kicks in you'll love it.
I'd like to hear more on the original topic. Anyone else run SD at 5 mgs?
 
3 weeks at 5 mg seems to produce good results, I'm thinking maybe I won't pulse and just do 5 mg aday. There capsuls so I will have to be alittle creative.
 
This has been a very interesting read to say the least..I have pre ban supplements that have been stored in the freezer since they were purchased as well as the current clones etc.. I read bout 6 pages worth of this thread last night at work and was considering running a low dose of something until I read the last couple pages..

Probably a decade ago or possibly a little longer I remember Muscle Media 2000, Now Tmag ( back when it was hardcore and not mainstream ) ran an article about 3 week cycles to avoid being shut down yada yada yada

The article used test e for the gig.. You would take a shot of 200mgs on day 1, then you would take a shot of 200mgs 3 days later ( day 4 ) .. next a 200mg shot 3 days later ( day 7 ).. Now you would wait for 5 days and take a 100mg shot ( day 12 )..wait another 7 days and take the final shot of 100mgs ( day 19 ).. They were called 3 week cycles, but in all reality you were still on for 2 weeks after your last shot due to half lifes and slight build up..
They then recommended that you use Tribex 500 as a natural test booster etc.. I did that cycle many many times over the years when I was single and let me be the first to tell you it shuts you down.. Regardless if you "feel" shut down or not it still affects your hypogondal axis.. It will affect some more so than others as this is always the case..
When I would go to the doctor after having been off for 2 months my test levels would still be considerably low around 275-300.. far too low for a mid 20's pimpjuice :afro:

My point is this, unless you are getting blood work pre and post cycle you really have no idea what is going on inside your body.. I am against running orals for extended periods regardless.. It was something I learned early on when I began using gear.. I know times change and more information becomes available, however from my own personal experience orals seem to really run havoc ( no pun intended ) on my lipid profile.. and that is even while I take 1000 mgs of script Niacin, Zetia and script Omegas.. I know that not everyone will have the same results/side but is the major point.. What PistonPump, Bassgod or myeslef can do and get away with does not at all mean that you can do it and have near same results.. It just does not work that way folks.. Soo by saying such and such did it this way with blood work and they were fine so I can probably do the same is insane in my humble opinion.

Lastly, the word "FEEL" is used waaaay to much and thus makes it lack merit.. I could load a supplement with Niacin so that when you took it you would "FEEL" a rush/flush etc and make you think it was something more than what it really is..That is just one example but i think you get my point
 
good post
 
What about lifts? How much did you go up? How shutdown were you? and how fast did you recover?
 
10 mg M-drol is easy to split up
You can just pull the cap apart then pour 1/2 in a glass of water and chug
Put the cap back together and take it on the next dose
 
luclyluciano said:
Standard dose. The dose is posted there. The pulse was good but epi is very mild & takes a while to see results. Pulsing is not that necessary but once it finally kicks in you'll love it.
I'd like to hear more on the original topic. Anyone else run SD at 5 mgs?
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how long did the pulse take to kick in for u?
 
luclyluciano said:
Always run PCT & support supps. Why be a cowboy & take chances?
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Exactly...although I would only recommend using a SERM for harsher cycles and ofcourse if gyno becomes an issue...rationale is that SERMs come with their own set of side effects including liver toxicity, emotional episodes, eyesight problems, etc...however they do make it easier to keep your gains by jump starting natural test production and can even help normalize blood lipids
 
So i guess the question is, which would be better.....a mini cycle of SD @5mgs/day or a pulse @30mg/day.

I'm considering doing the low dose protocol.
 
I am thinking of running this cycle, MDrol 5mg/day for 3 weeks but make a small tweek to it. MDrol half-life is estimated ~8 hours, so I'd take it in the morning prior to working out, then ~8 hours later take a natural SERM like Post Cycle Support (or would Formex work better?). My intent would be to minimize any estrogen rebound, increase test, improve libido and assist my normal hormonal swing as I sleep. In the end make an even easier PCT. I have taken PCS on cycle before and it had positive effects.
 
after reading all of this about a month back I said sk it Ima try 10mg a day for 2 weeks and see what happens. I ran 1 formex right b4 bed, and the 10mg of sd about an hour after I get up, I went from 205 to 215 my pct was just 1 formex am and 1 pm and 5mg epi eod for the first week im around 212 now 2weeks after cycle, no sides that I can tell, and I have run sd @ 20 and 30 mgs and had all the sides (death warmed over) Im bout 2 run 5mg microdrol for 2wks and see wut happens.
 
nice results
 
Ninjo said:
Exactly...although I would only recommend using a SERM for harsher cycles and ofcourse if gyno becomes an issue...rationale is that SERMs come with their own set of side effects including liver toxicity, emotional episodes, eyesight problems, etc...however they do make it easier to keep your gains by jump starting natural test production and can even help normalize blood lipids
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Or you could just run Cel's Formestane.
 
luclyluciano said:
Or you could just run Cel's Formestane.
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I personally love formestane and have used it transdermally (E-form) on several occasions...I have yet to try it out in PCT however due to some users' claims that it can contribute to HPTA suppression...not sure if this is true however...perhaps I'll run it in my next PCT and let you know.
 
Pistonpump was suppressed from just 10mg/day
 
Interesting thread.
I can see this as an ongoing thread like Dr D's "Pulsing" thread.

Hmmm, low dose or pulse:think:
Any comments comparing the two.
 
GotTest said:
Interesting thread.
I can see this as an ongoing thread like Dr D's "Pulsing" thread.

Hmmm, low dose or pulse:think:
Any comments comparing the two.
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I know! thats the big question...pulse or low dose...Im interested in both-leaning towards the low dose though
 
KgTomCat said:
I know! thats the big question...pulse or low dose...Im interested in both-leaning towards the low dose though
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I think the answer is simple. If you are religeous with diet & training the low dose it. If you are like me an you get busy, miss work outs the the pulse makes sense.
 
i used microdrol 2 5mgs a day and gained a couple of more pounds after bout 2weeks then droppd the dose down to 2.5mg for wk 3 after that just a formex and 50mg dhea morning and night, after 1 week pf this my boys are huge easiest recovery i have ever had
 
I'm one week in on a cycle of pmag right now and I am going to kickstart it with 10mg superdrol for 2 weeks. The pmag cycle will last 5-6 weeks depending on how I feel.

I saw that thread were the guy ran Hdrol for 6 weeks and took Superdrol at 10mg on workout days only for a few weeks and he was completely shut down. That made me a little concerned, but I will let you guys know how it works out for me.
 
Mikey851 said:
I'm one week in on a cycle of pmag right now and I am going to kickstart it with 10mg superdrol for 2 weeks. The pmag cycle will last 5-6 weeks depending on how I feel.

I saw that thread were the guy ran Hdrol for 6 weeks and took Superdrol at 10mg on workout days only for a few weeks and he was completely shut down. That made me a little concerned, but I will let you guys know how it works out for me.
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pmag and hdrol are almost the same thing :twak:
 
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