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Do MA Labs deliver to UK?
Sorry, brother, but even if you were willing to pay the international shipping fee ($36 for priority shipping when using the USPS), I would have no way of accepting payment from the UK.
 
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Don’t know why I held off, but I just ordered.

So now of course I can’t wait for it to get here!
 
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Ordered a bottle Monday, haven’t received a shipping notification yet. Excited to try this stuff, so hopefully there’s some traction soon.
 
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Seems some of my confirmations/notifications from MA end up in SPAM folder.

For instance this order confirmation I just did only showed up in my SPAM folder. Maybe your shipping confirmation is there?
 
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Seems some of my confirmations/notifications from MA end up in SPAM folder.

For instance this order confirmation I just did only showed up in my SPAM folder. Maybe your shipping confirmation is there?
My order confirmation through MA did arrive in my "junk" folder on Monday and the "E-check payment processed" email arrived in my main inbox on Monday as well, but nothing since.
 
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My order confirmation through MA did arrive in my "junk" folder on Monday and the "E-check payment processed" email arrived in my main inbox on Monday as well, but nothing since.
Maybe he decided to throw something extra fun into it and had to make new stickers for the ingredient panel. 🙏
 

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Seems some of my confirmations/notifications from MA end up in SPAM folder.

For instance this order confirmation I just did only showed up in my SPAM folder. Maybe your shipping confirmation is there?
I did not notice my notification email until I saw this post. I get mine on Saturday. I won't be able to try it on Sunday because I am using something else that day and don't want to mix the two. I will try 4 caps Monday morning and report my experience.
 
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I did not notice my notification email until I saw this post. I get mine on Saturday. I won't be able to try it on Sunday because I am using something else that day and don't want to mix the two. I will try 4 caps Monday morning and report my experience.
Nice!

Would you consider yourself to be a heavy stim user?

Do you wake up every day and ask yourself which stim product you should use first? Then while you’re waiting for that to kick in, are you already picking out what to take next?

This may, or may not be what I do..:)
 

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My order confirmation through MA did arrive in my "junk" folder on Monday and the "E-check payment processed" email arrived in my main inbox on Monday as well, but nothing since.
All orders ship after 3 business days, but what day that will fall on depends on what time of the day you order. For example, all orders placed after 2:00 pm will begin their 1st business day the following morning, as the bank stops processing e-checks for the day after 2:00 pm.

Tip: If ordering on a week day, order before 2:00 pm, so that the day you order counts as your 1st business day.

It's the same with the weekends. The bank doesn't process e-checks on the weekend, so if someone orders Friday night, the 1st business day will begin on Monday. Generally speaking, it takes 6-7 days to receive an order...and for customers with a prior positive payment history, usually 5-6 days.

As far as your own order is concerned, if you ordered Monday after the business day ended, the first business day would have begun on Tuesday, which means the package would ship on Friday. If you ordered on Monday before the business day was over, it would ship on Thursday. :)
 

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Nice!

Would you consider yourself to be a heavy stim user?

Do you wake up every day and ask yourself which stim product you should use first? Then while you’re waiting for that to kick in, are you already picking out what to take next?

This may, or may not be what I do..:)
You'll probably need the full dose, Ricky! 6 caps for you, my friend.
 
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All orders ship after 3 business days, but what day that will fall on depends on what time of the day you order. For example, all orders placed after 2:00 pm will begin their 1st business day the following morning, as the bank stops processing e-checks for the day after 2:00 pm.

Tip: If ordering on a week day, order before 2:00 pm, so that the day you order counts as your 1st business day.

It's the same with the weekends. The bank doesn't process e-checks on the weekend, so if someone orders Friday night, the 1st business day will begin on Monday. Generally speaking, it takes 6-7 days to receive an order...and for customers with a prior positive payment history, usually 5-6 days.

As far as your own order is concerned, if you ordered Monday after the business day ended, the first business day would have begun on Tuesday, which means the package would ship on Friday. If you ordered on Monday before the business day was over, it would ship on Thursday. :)
roger that. Thanks for the info! Received a tracking number early this morning so here in a few days I should receive. Excited to try and provide some feedback.
 

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Nice!

Would you consider yourself to be a heavy stim user?

Do you wake up every day and ask yourself which stim product you should use first? Then while you’re waiting for that to kick in, are you already picking out what to take next?

This may, or may not be what I do..:)
Moderately heavy user. I usually wake up with 300mg caffeine and I might have 100-200mg about 6-8 hours later depending how much I need it. Sometimes I mix other stims and nootropics in with the caffeine. 5mg of adderall can add a lot of focus without much more stimulation. My bottle of Methyl-Blue came in early. I am tempted to try it tomorrow but I am careful about trying new stims when going to work. I tried Craze (The one with the hidden ingredient) for the first time before work and I am sure everyone thought I was on drugs.
 
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Moderately heavy user. I usually wake up with 300mg caffeine and I might have 100-200mg about 6-8 hours later depending how much I need it. Sometimes I mix other stims and nootropics in with the caffeine. 5mg of adderall can add a lot of focus without much more stimulation. My bottle of Methyl-Blue came in early. I am tempted to try it tomorrow but I am careful about trying new stims when going to work. I tried Craze (The one with the hidden ingredient) for the first time before work and I am sure everyone thought I was on drugs.
We all have a story about the first time we tried Craze. Unfortunately, I can’t remember mine- but I know I have one!

I normally try to avoid using new supplements for the first time on a work day as well. Having said that, I would use this product if my first opportunity happens to work out that way. I just probably won’t be doing 6 caps the first time either way.

You'll probably need the full dose, Ricky! 6 caps for you, my friend.
We’ll see! I will likely feel it out a little at the start 🤗
 
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I'm so glad to see this finally on the market!

Mike, can you go over the technical details on the chemical and how it works? I know you mentioned in the other thread it was an MAOI.

I'm going to wait for some reviews before I buy it, but it sounds like an awesome supplement!
 

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I'm so glad to see this finally on the market!

Mike, can you go over the technical details on the chemical and how it works? I know you mentioned in the other thread it was an MAOI.

I'm going to wait for some reviews before I buy it, but it sounds like an awesome supplement!
I have a full description (but not too long) right on the product page on the website (just click on the product page and scroll down a bit). It explains exactly what you are asking.
 
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Mike I wish if you could add other payment methods like paypal or Visa etc
I order out of the US and ship using a mail forward
Really wish to try it
 

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Mike I wish if you could add other payment methods like paypal or Visa etc
I order out of the US and ship using a mail forward
Really wish to try it
I've been lifetime banned from PayPal and no bank would ever allow me to have a cc when selling stuff like MK (Somatozine) and GW. This is what happens when selling grey-area supplements like this. I can either get rid of all the products that make my company unique and get cc's...or continue producing unique products and limit my payment options. I've chosen the latter.

If you really want to try it and don't have a checking account (anyone with a checking account can use an e-check by entering their routing an account number; it's that easy) you always have the option to send a money order or, if you do have a checking account (but don't want to use an e-check) send a personal check. People use to pay this way for literally generations. It's only recently that people stopped writing checks (for the most part). No one was ever afraid of writing personal checks in the past...because they're considered a safe form of payment. It's the same with e-checks, but hand-written checks work just as well. Anyone can get a money order...right at the post office. Walk into the post office...ask for a money order for whatever amount is needed...and mail it right when you're there. You don't even have to go out of your way, either. Just stop at the post office one day when you're already out...and mail it then. Or, just write a check when your at home and pop it in your mailbox. That doesn't take anymore time than using a credit card--maybe 60 seconds longer. At this point, with years of business behind me and absolutely no one ever claiming to have been ripped, I think that writing a check/money order is a pretty safe bet.

Being that I grew up in an era when writing checks/money orders was still considered normal (it was the way EVERYONE paid their monthly bills), it seems odd to me when I see people acting as if they have no way of obtaining a product without using a cc. I'm not referring to you in particular, but this just made me think about all the times I've encountered this over the years. I can understand why someone who is unfamiliar with the company might be leery of using an e-check...or even writing a personal check/money order (after all, if someone is unfamiliar with the business, they might fear getting ripped off), but the company have been around for years absolutely zero reports of anyone ever being stolen from.

In other words, if you want to try Methyl-BLUE, just pop a check/money order in the mail...or use an e-check. Some people don't want to use an e-check simply because they are unfamiliar with them and therefore, don't really know how to use them. It's actually super simple. You literally just enter your routing and account numbers...from a checking account (since it works like a check). These numbers are found on the bottom of every check you've ever written. It doesn't say "routing" number of "account" number on the check. Just the numbers are listed there. The routing number is the first set of numbers, followed by the account number, which is the 2nd set of numbers. You may find a shorter, 3rd set of numbers on some checks, which follows after the account number, but just ignore those. This is just the check number on that actual check. It has nothing to do with the routing or account number.

Our security is excellent an furthermore, all checking account info is automatically deleted after the transaction has been processed (this was my choice). Only the banks involved keep a record of the transaction, but all banks do that with all transactions, whether it is a check, cc, or otherwise.

Brother, believe me when I tell you that if I could use PayPal or a cc, I would.
 
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Just popped 4 of these and about to hit the gym! Has anyone asked how much caffeine is in each cap? Would be nice to know just the caffeine content without giving away anymore of the prop blend.
 

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Just popped 4 of these and about to hit the gym! Has anyone asked how much caffeine is in each cap? Would be nice to know just the caffeine content without giving away anymore of the prop blend.
Methyl-BLUE

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"Caffeine Dose
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Caffeine Dose

Methyl-BLUE contains ONLY 200 mg of caffeine per FULL 6 cap dose. I purposely made the product with low caffeine for two reasons...

1.) I didn't want to make another high-caffeine copycat product, which costs pennies to make and offers nothing new.

2.) I wanted people to still be able to drink their coffee...and/or tailor their caffeine dose to their liking.



We all know caffeine works, but do any of us want to pay $40+for what is basically nothing more than a caffeine pill? I didn't think most people would, so I kept the caffeine low and relied primarily on the phenylethylamine class of drugs, along with aliphatic alkylamines, in order to power the product's effects.

By doing so Methyl-BLUE provides an effect different from the typical high-dose caffeine product, while still providing the freedom to consume additional caffeine if wanted...in whatever amount desired.

We all know caffeine is a powerful stimulant, but tolerance is highly variable--more than any other stimulant on the market. On the low end, we have people who only want to consume 100-200 mg, while others will push it up into the 400 mg (or even more) range. There is a big difference between these dosing ranges, so it was critical for me to limit the caffeine dose to 200 mg per full 6 cap serving. This was the only way to keep those with a low caffeine tolerance from taking more than they want to, while also enabling those with a higher caffeine tolerance to increase their caffeine dose according to their own needs.

So, for those of you out there who want a bigger caffeine kick...by all means, go for it. The great thing about caffeine is that one could add 100-200 mg of extra caffeine (either in the form of coffee or pill) and noticeably add to its potency...for literally pennies per dose. This is only possible with caffeine because of its super low cost. There are a lot of guys out there who want to be able to continue drinking their coffee...or who will want to add some pure caffeine to the mix in either powder or pill form. Any of these options is extremely cheap and gives the customer the power to tailor the caffeine dose to their own liking. In the end, I felt it was better to leave the caffeine dose low and allow those with a greater caffeine tolerance to add a bit more, if desired.



Methyl-BLUE Dosing

I want to talk about dosing for a minute. First off, and of GREAT importance, is that Methyl-BLUE has THRESHOLD dose!!!!
This dose BEGINS at 4 caps...but most people will find the full dose (6 caps) to provide the desired effect....and those with a high caffeine tolerance may even want to add additional caffeine, if they're looking for maximum potency.

DO NOT think that you can take 2-3 caps and get a good effect. You won't. 4 caps is "beginner" range...for those with no stimulant tolerance. There is a reason I have the serving size listed on the bottle. It was formulated to be used as DIRECTED. Please refrain from posting reviews on
LESS THAN RECOMMENDED doses, as the product was not designed to provide the desired effect at sub-optimal doses. Failing to do this would be like taking a product with a single capsule as a serving size...dividing its contents into 1/3rd's...and then reporting on its effects. That doesn't give potential customers a fair report. Just because the serving size is 4-6 capsules (out of necessity) does NOT mean that it was designed to be taken at only a few caps. I was forced to use 6 caps as an optimal serving size because some of the ingredients must be dosed in the 1,000+ mg range in order to provide the desired effect.

4-6 caps is the dosing range, with 4 caps being for those with low stim tolerances (particularly a low caffeine tolerance) and 6 caps being better suited to those with a higher tolerance (those who regularly consume 300-400 g of caffeine may want to add an extra 100-200 mg of caffeine to the product). With that said, it is obviously completely fine to use whatever amount of caps you want, but please refrain form doing so and then saying the product didn't do much, as the product is intended to be used at 4 caps for those with a low stim tolerance and 6 caps for those with moderate-high stim tolerances.

The second point one must understand is that Methyl-BLUE is NOT something you can use everyday an expect to continue experiencing its full effects. Why? Because it relies largely on phenylethylamines to power its effects (it contains nearly 2 grams of total phenylethylamines), which build tolerance RAPIDLY. Literally, after 3 days of continuous use, its effects will already be significantly diminished. This is just the way PEA-based compounds are. In other words, if you start out at 3 caps...think you need more, then jump to 4 caps the next day...then 5 caps the next day...then 6 caps the next day, you ill be shooting yourelf in the foot...because eah day you will building a greater and greater tolerance.

Methyl-BLUE is like Vicaine in this regard. It needs to be limited to 3-4 days per week in order to maintain its effects...with a day off inbetween doses...or a maximum of two days in a row before taking a couple days off. Again, this is just how the PEA-based compounds are when used at appreciable doses. Tolerance builds quickly. Fortunately, it doesn't take long to restore tolerance, but days off are REQUIRED. You simply can NOT use this product daily without experiencing significantly diminished effects.

So, I recommend limiting it's use to 3-4 days per week, or every other day, at the most.

I felt this info was important to get out there. Thanks, guys.



 
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Moderately heavy user. I usually wake up with 300mg caffeine and I might have 100-200mg about 6-8 hours later depending how much I need it. Sometimes I mix other stims and nootropics in with the caffeine. 5mg of adderall can add a lot of focus without much more stimulation. My bottle of Methyl-Blue came in early. I am tempted to try it tomorrow but I am careful about trying new stims when going to work. I tried Craze (The one with the hidden ingredient) for the first time before work and I am sure everyone thought I was on drugs.
If you take 300 mg of caffeine regularly, you may want to add some extra caffeine to Methyl-BLUE. I kept the caffeine dose low (200 mg per full 6 cap dose) for two main reasons, which I explain in the previous post.
 
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I've been lifetime banned from PayPal and no bank would ever allow me to have a cc when selling stuff like MK (Somatozine) and GW. ...
Mike, have you tried using any of these payment processors?

Zelle
Cashapp
Apple Pay
Google Pay
Chime
 
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I have a full description (but not too long) right on the product page on the website (just click on the product page and scroll down a bit). It explains exactly what you are asking.
Thanks, I read it. Unfortunately, do the fact that I'm using an SNRI (serotonin norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor) I'm probably going to pass on this supplement. Since it's an MAOI-A and B the risk of me getting too much norepinephrine and or getting serotonin syndrome is just too high for me.

Sounds like an amazing stimulant though. I might buy a couple bottles just to have for the future. What's the expiration date on these? Would they last longer refrigerated?
 
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Just popped 4 of these and about to hit the gym! Has anyone asked how much caffeine is in each cap? Would be nice to know just the caffeine content without giving away anymore of the prop blend.
Would love to to hear your (or anyone else's) feedback on Methyl-Blue. Still waiting to hear from some people on how it works and compares to other stims.
 

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Would love to to hear your (or anyone else's) feedback on Methyl-Blue. Still waiting to hear from some people on how it works and compares to other stims.
So far I like it. I’m a heavy stim user so while 4 caps gave a nice feel good buzz I could tell I wasn’t as amped as I usually am in the gym. I’m going to one of those guys that needs 6 caps with an extra 50-100mg of caffeine to get me at my usual caffeine dose. Its still early and subject to change But I would rank this above his aterall Xr and behind his vicaine product. Aterall gives me a dirty feeling kind of energy unlike modafinil. Vicaine gives euphoria, focus and extreme mood elevation. Methyl blue (again first dose) gave a euphoric, mood elevating kind of buzz different from what I get from vicaine. Once I adjust the caffeine dose with Possibly a small dose of flmodafinil the focus with come in hard and this potentially could be a new favorite of mine. Hope this helps. Best feedback I can give at the moment.
 
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Just popped 4 of these and about to hit the gym! Has anyone asked how much caffeine is in each cap? Would be nice to know just the caffeine content without giving away anymore of the prop blend.
33.3mg caffeine per cap
 
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So far I like it. I’m a heavy stim user so while 4 caps gave a nice feel good buzz I could tell I wasn’t as amped as I usually am in the gym. I’m going to one of those guys that needs 6 caps with an extra 50-100mg of caffeine to get me at my usual caffeine dose. Its still early and subject to change But I would rank this above his aterall Xr and behind his vicaine product. Aterall gives me a dirty feeling kind of energy unlike modafinil. Vicaine gives euphoria, focus and extreme mood elevation. Methyl blue (again first dose) gave a euphoric, mood elevating kind of buzz different from what I get from vicaine. Once I adjust the caffeine dose with Possibly a small dose of flmodafinil the focus with come in hard and this potentially could be a new favorite of mine. Hope this helps. Best feedback I can give at the moment.
Well, according to the website, Vicaine is discontinued. As well as the Vicaine PM product. That's a shame, I would have liked to try those.

Aterall ER is out of stock.

It's a shame the only payment methods on the site are directly from the checking account and a money order or personal check.I have no idea why BTC isn't accepted on there, as it's a super easy way to pay as well.
 

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Mike, have you tried using any of these payment processors?

Zelle
Cashapp
Apple Pay
Google Pay
Chime
Most are related (or owned by) to PayPal and I am lifetime banned from them all...except Zelle, but Zelle is the only immediate way I have left of accepting money, so I cannot risk losing it. I NEED that money service when making quick transactions for company related matters. If I lost that, I would be back to the dark ages of in store bank transfers (which no one wants to do). I've already been lifetime banned from several banks as well (I was falsely accused of being an illicit drug dealer when attempting to make large foreign transfers, so they literally closed my accounts and said I could never return).
 

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Thanks, I read it. Unfortunately, do the fact that I'm using an SNRI (serotonin norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor) I'm probably going to pass on this supplement. Since it's an MAOI-A and B the risk of me getting too much norepinephrine and or getting serotonin syndrome is just too high for me.

Sounds like an amazing stimulant though. I might buy a couple bottles just to have for the future. What's the expiration date on these? Would they last longer refrigerated?
Even though manufacturers typically place an expiration of 2-3 years after bottling, the reality is that these compounds stay good for MANY years. You could open a bottle 10 years later and it will still work basically as well as it did on Day 1.
 
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Most are related (or owned by) to PayPal and I am lifetime banned from them all...except Zelle, but Zelle is the only immediate way I have left of accepting money, so I cannot risk losing it. I NEED that money service when making quick transactions for company related matters. If I lost that, I would be back to the dark ages of in store bank transfers (which no one wants to do). I've already been lifetime banned from several banks as well (I was falsely accused of being an illicit drug dealer when attempting to make large foreign transfers, so they literally closed my accounts and said I could never return).
Go to CoinBase or blockchain.com and get a free BTC wallet. People can transfer money into it and it's easy as pie. They only take a small portion of the sale for Bitcoin.

Everybody accepts BTC. Please sign up for one of those and accept cryptocurrency.

Thanks,
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Go to CoinBase or blockchain.com and get a free BTC wallet. People can transfer money into it and it's easy as pie. They only take a small portion of the sale for Bitcoin.

Everybody accepts BTC. Please sign up for one of those and accept cryptocurrency.

Thanks,
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Just use E check bro. It’s just as secure as a CC And WAY easier than having to **** with BTC.
 
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Just use E check bro. It’s just as secure as a CC And WAY easier than having to **** with BTC.
BTC is super easy. You can use Cash App with your debit card to buy BTC right from the app. I would get a wallet from Blockchain.com. They have some good security features, like blocking access to the site from TOR, 3 factor authentication and more,
 
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OK...so I will have to try this over again..

I did my first 6 capsule dose a few days ago first thing in the morning, along with a Dynamax (150mg caffeine, 100mg Dynamine, 200mg l-theanine). I though it would be a nice addition per Mike’s recommendations above for people that may have higher tolerance.

I think the combo was too much for me- and therefore I didn’t enjoy the benefits. I take phenylethylamines on the regular, so I thought I had to jump right in. Stims like this usually start coming on within 10 minutes for me, but this took closer to 20. What happened then was I felt a head rush and then felt slightly light-headed when I stood up, as well as slightly short of breath. It felt like I had some extreme vasoconstriction going on- particularly in my head. I ended up laying down in bed for ~20 minutes after that, and then things were OK as far as those side effects.

I can’t say that got anything positive out of that experience, except for discovering that it is powerful. The next morning I took 1 capsule with my usual rotation of stims, and didn’t note any difference from adding that 1 capsule. I think 3-4 will be good for me if adding to something like Dynamax, or 6 capsules alone of Methyl-BLUE.
 
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One thing I just recalled while reading was the above poster's message is the so called "cheese effect" or MAOI-A drugs. The cheese effect refers to the excessive consumption of foods high in tyramine that can bring on a hypertensive crisis and increase systolic blood pressure. That's why MAOI-A drugs have largely been phased out of usage over the last several decades, in favor of SSRIs for treating depression.

From Wikipedia:
A), FMO3, PNMT, DBH, and CYP2D6.[9][10][11][12][13] Human monoamine oxidase enzymes metabolize tyramine into 4-hydroxyphenylacetaldehyde.[14] If monoamine metabolism is compromised by the use of monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOIs) and foods high in tyramine are ingested, a hypertensive crisis can result, as tyramine also can displace stored monoamines, such as dopamine, norepinephrine, and epinephrine, from pre-synaptic vesicles. Tyramine is considered a “false neurotransmitter,” as it enters noradrenergic nerve terminals and displaces large amounts of norepinephrine, which enters the blood stream and causes vasoconstriction.

The first signs of this effect were discovered by a British pharmacist who noticed that his wife, who at the time was on MAOI medication, had severe headaches when eating cheese.[15] For this reason, it is still called the "cheese effect" or "cheese crisis," though other foods can cause the same problem.[16]:30–31

Most processed cheeses do not contain enough tyramine to cause hypertensive effects, although some aged cheeses (such as Stilton) do.[17][18]

A large dietary intake of tyramine (or a dietary intake of tyramine while taking MAO inhibitors) can cause the tyramine pressor response, which is defined as an increase in systolic blood pressure of 30 mmHg or more. The increased release of norepinephrine (noradrenaline) from neuronal cytosol or storage vesicles is thought to cause the vasoconstriction and increased heart rate and blood pressure of the pressor response.

Here's a short list from The Mayo Clinic with some of the foods rich in tyramine:


You can also search google for "list of tyramine rich foods maoi" and come up with long lists and entire diets regimented around avoiding tyramine.

So, this is something that should be ACUTELY aware to anyone using Methyl-Blue! Combining Methyl-Blue (since we don't know what molecule or compound it is and only have a vague general description of it, I would even advise @Mike Arnold to include this info on the website for Methyl-Blue, since it is potentially fatal.)

This is something I don't want to be an alarmist about, but users should definitely be made aware of this and it would be greatly helpful to know more information about the exact molecule (which I know would make Mike the target of the FDA and reveal his trade secret) and the amount per dosage. This would help people titrate their doses of tyramine containing foods when using Methyl-Blue. Some OTC fat burners also contain tyramine, so look out for those as well.
 
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OK...so I will have to try this over again..

I did my first 6 capsule dose a few days ago first thing in the morning, along with a Dynamax (150mg caffeine, 100mg Dynamine, 200mg l-theanine). I though it would be a nice addition per Mike’s recommendations above for people that may have higher tolerance.

I think the combo was too much for me- and therefore I didn’t enjoy the benefits. I take phenylethylamines on the regular, so I thought I had to jump right in. Stims like this usually start coming on within 10 minutes for me, but this took closer to 20. What happened then was I felt a head rush and then felt slightly light-headed when I stood up, as well as slightly short of breath. It felt like I had some extreme vasoconstriction going on- particularly in my head. I ended up laying down in bed for ~20 minutes after that, and then things were OK as far as those side effects.

I can’t say that got anything positive out of that experience, except for discovering that it is powerful. The next morning I took 1 capsule with my usual rotation of stims, and didn’t note any difference from adding that 1 capsule. I think 3-4 will be good for me if adding to something like Dynamax, or 6 capsules alone of Methyl-BLUE.
Damn!!! Stimulant overdose!!! It's really interesting how differently people respond to different doses of stimulants. I've had a few guys take 6 caps plus a couple hundred mg of caffeine and were good. I've had others say that 4 caps (with no additional caffeine) was their limit...and all of these people regularly consumed 300-400 mg of caffeine. So, it appears that each person is going to have to find the dose that is right for them, regardless of their normal caffeine intake.

Maybe try 4-5 caps alone next time. 6 caps Methyl-BLUE, pus 150 mg extra caffeine, plus an extra 100 mg Dynamine is a lot of stimulants. That is for the most extreme stimulant user.

Remember, there is almost 2 grams of total phenylethylamines per 6 cap serving.
 
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One thing I just recalled while reading was the above poster's message is the so called "cheese effect" or MAOI-A drugs. The cheese effect refers to the excessive consumption of foods high in tyramine that can bring on a hypertensive crisis and increase systolic blood pressure. That's why MAOI-A drugs have largely been phased out of usage over the last several decades, in favor of SSRIs for treating depression.

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Here's a short list from The Mayo Clinic with some of the foods rich in tyramine:


You can also search google for "list of tyramine rich foods maoi" and come up with long lists and entire diets regimented around avoiding tyramine.

So, this is something that should be ACUTELY aware to anyone using Methyl-Blue! Combining Methyl-Blue (since we don't know what molecule or compound it is and only have a vague general description of it, I would even advise @Mike Arnold to include this info on the website for Methyl-Blue, since it is potentially fatal.)


This is something I don't want to be an alarmist about, but users should definitely be made aware of this and it would be greatly helpful to know more information about the exact molecule (which I know would make Mike the target of the FDA and reveal his trade secret) and the amount per dosage.


This would help people titrate their doses of tyramine containing foods when using Methyl-Blue. Some OTC fat burners also contain tyramine, so look out for those as well.
Every ingredient is listed right on the bottle and the website. I also have an extensive warning on the bottle and website, which tells people not to use the product unless they consult their physician if they have high blood pressure or they're using any MAOI's, including drugs for depression, certain drugs for emotional/psychiatric conditions and/or Parkinson's.

I have even listed these warning right here on the site--multiple times.

I don't think I can be any more clear than that.

Even still, the product is pretty safe for most people. The MAO-A and MAO-B inhibition is short-acting--only a few hours. Most people who have elevated BP know not use stims, but all I can do is put the warning on the label.
 
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Every ingredient is listed right on the bottle and the website. I also have an extensive warning on the bottle and website, which tells people not to use the product unless they consult their physician if they have high blood pressure or they're using any MAOI's, including drugs for depression, certain drugs for emotional/psychiatric conditions and/or Parkinson's.

I have even listed these warning right here on the site--multiple times.

I don't think I can be any more clear than that.

Even still, the product is pretty safe for most people. The MAO-A and MAO-B inhibition is short-acting--only a few hours. Most people who have elevated BP know not use stims, but all I can do is put the warning on the label.
Mike, I'm not trying to call you out. I like you and I like your product line. I realize you have to have warnings on the labels that say consult a physician and yada yada, but let's be serious - no one reads those or consults a physician. It's just to cover in case you get sued.

What I'd like you to add is simply about the tyramine effect and the certain foods you have to avoid. Regardless of the half life of the drug, the tyramine effect can still occur in any MAOI-A drug. As for the name of the drug, I went back and read your article and I don't see the name of the supplement ingredients listed anywhere. You can't rotate the image of the bottle to see the back to see the ingredients. Are you not willing to share the name of this compound? Like I said, I know that would attract the attention of the FDA and make your proprietary formula not so proprietary. But for the matter of safety, I think you should list what it really is in nomenclature.

Most of the stimulant stuff like DMAA and DMHA were from old nasal decongestant formulas that were made in the 30s and 40s because there was a limited supply of amphetamine due to the war. These compounds work completely differently than an MAOI. An MAOI is typically prescribed as an anti-depressant to individuals with treatment resistant depression who find SSRIs/tricylic antidepressants don't work for them. Because of the "cheese effect", the rate of prescribing of MAOIs has dropped significantly.

But, I'm not saying Methyl-Blue doesn't work or isn't a good product. A lot of people have experimented with L-Deprenyl (Selegiline) because it's an MAOI-B and doesn't have the cheese effect. The weird thing about it, is that it converts to very small amounts of methamphetamine and amphetamine in the body. But it has a lot of other positive health benefits beyond just treating depression.


But, I just think you should include a short little section on the page advising people from eating certain foods when taking Methyl-Blue. That's all I'm saying.

Thanks for taking the time to read and respond,
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Damn!!! Stimulant overdose!!! It's really interesting how differently people respond to different doses of stimulants. I've had a few guys take 6 caps plus a couple hundred mg of caffeine and were good. I've had others say that 4 caps (with no additional caffeine) was their limit...and all of these people regularly consumed 300-400 mg of caffeine. So, it appears that each person is going to have to find the dose that is right for them, regardless of their normal caffeine intake.

Maybe try 4-5 caps alone next time. 6 caps Methyl-BLUE, pus 150 mg extra caffeine, plus an extra 100 mg Dynamine is a lot of stimulants. That is for the most extreme stimulant user.

Remember, there is almost 2 grams of total phenylethylamines per 6 cap serving.
Apparently yes- ;)

The good news is I recovered very quickly and easily with no residual detriments on the rest of my day. The only time I take in 300-400mg caffeine in one dose is preworkout- when I also have various vasodilators in the mix.

When I pop a stim straight up, I‘m more in the 200-250mg caffeine range on most occasions. I planned on experimenting more today, but I overslept and had to run to work in a hurry.

I will likely do 4 caps alone tomorrow morning to start..
 

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Mike, I'm not trying to call you out. I like you and I like your product line. I realize you have to have warnings on the labels that say consult a physician and yada yada, but let's be serious - no one reads those or consults a physician. It's just to cover in case you get sued.

What I'd like you to add is simply about the tyramine effect and the certain foods you have to avoid. Regardless of the half life of the drug, the tyramine effect can still occur in any MAOI-A drug. As for the name of the drug, I went back and read your article and I don't see the name of the supplement ingredients listed anywhere. You can't rotate the image of the bottle to see the back to see the ingredients. Are you not willing to share the name of this compound? Like I said, I know that would attract the attention of the FDA and make your proprietary formula not so proprietary. But for the matter of safety, I think you should list what it really is in nomenclature.

Most of the stimulant stuff like DMAA and DMHA were from old nasal decongestant formulas that were made in the 30s and 40s because there was a limited supply of amphetamine due to the war. These compounds work completely differently than an MAOI. An MAOI is typically prescribed as an anti-depressant to individuals with treatment resistant depression who find SSRIs/tricylic antidepressants don't work for them. Because of the "cheese effect", the rate of prescribing of MAOIs has dropped significantly.

But, I'm not saying Methyl-Blue doesn't work or isn't a good product. A lot of people have experimented with L-Deprenyl (Selegiline) because it's an MAOI-B and doesn't have the cheese effect. The weird thing about it, is that it converts to very small amounts of methamphetamine and amphetamine in the body. But it has a lot of other positive health benefits beyond just treating depression.


But, I just think you should include a short little section on the page advising people from eating certain foods when taking Methyl-Blue. That's all I'm saying.

Thanks for taking the time to read and respond,
-SS
Like I said before, all the ingredients are listed right on the bottle...right on the website. Just click on the website, go to the product page and click on the picture that shows the ingredient panel. It's right there for everyone to see, as clear as day. By law, I MUST list all the ingredients for every product on both the bottle and the website. The ingredient profile was never a secret. It has been listed on the label and website from Day #1.

There are MANY stimulant products on the market (100's) that utilize MAOI's in appreciable doses.

For the vast majority of people, Methyl-BLUE will pose no problems...even for those using modern depression medications, as the MAOI inhibiting effect of those medications is not strong enough to cause any serious issues, even when combined with additional, natural MAOI's (whether via diet or supplementation). This is why we see literally millions of people (many of whom use antidepressants) using stimulants without any issues.

It was mainly the old-school antidepressants that causes issues...not the newer ones. The main differences between my product and all the other products (100's) that include MAOI's, is that I actually went out of my way to say something about it. Most companies don't. For example, one of the two main MAOI's I use in the product is regular ole' hordenine, which has been included in countless products. The other MAOI is na MAO'B inhibitor, which has far less of an impact on things like BP, heart rate, etc. MAO'B inhibitors affect primarily dopamine, not epinephrine or norepinephrine.

Basically, Methyl-BLUE doesn't pose any more of a risk than many, many other stimulants currently on the market. :)
 
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So today I woke up and had 5 Methyl Blue Capsules with nothing else upon waking. It was definitely a better experience than the other morning when I was a bit overzealous. I didn’t experience any side effects as I did in that prior experience.

As far as feels, it was definitely noticeable with zero jitters and I could tell there was an underlying hint of euphoria that would likely be much more evident for someone who isn't already taking phenylethylamine products on a regular basis. The effects do seem to be on the shorter acting side, but rather seemless.

All things considered in my case, I didn’t get anything more out of taking 5 capsules of Methyl-BLUE than I would from taking 2-3 capsules of Stim-Freak. I think my plan tomorrow may be to experiment with a moderate dose of those 2 products.
 
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Basically, Methyl-BLUE doesn't pose any more of a risk than many, many other stimulants currently on the market. :)
Well, while I beg to differ just slightly on how you market the product, that is your call in the end. I wanted to help you set up Cash app and BTC to be able to accept more payment options, but you weren't interested, so I respect and understand that, but still thoroughly disagree. But that's a topic for another day.

Can you list the name of the compound Methyl-Blue is? Because I searched your website again and the product label and don't see it listed anywhere, just referred to as Methyl-Blue.

Again, I don't want to seem like I'm calling you out, Mike, I respect you and all the hard work you put into your product designs and finding new and novel products. I've had bad luck with beef with sponsors on here in the past, so I don't want to get into that situation with you, so I'm glad we can keep everything so cordial. I always believe a civil and cordial discussion about the pros and cons of anything should be talked about this way and I applaud you for doing so. I also think the more consumer feedback we get back from the community, we will quickly see if my theory holds any basis in reality. I think we would get more consumer feedback if other payment methods were implemented *cough*BTC*cough*. Ahem, I'm getting a bit of a sore throat, I hope I'm not getting the COVID. :)
 

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