new release.Anyone tried?
Yeah, I’m afraid I may like it too much!This is scaring me in a good way
Sorry, brother, but even if you were willing to pay the international shipping fee ($36 for priority shipping when using the USPS), I would have no way of accepting payment from the UK.Do MA Labs deliver to UK?
My order confirmation through MA did arrive in my "junk" folder on Monday and the "E-check payment processed" email arrived in my main inbox on Monday as well, but nothing since.Seems some of my confirmations/notifications from MA end up in SPAM folder.
For instance this order confirmation I just did only showed up in my SPAM folder. Maybe your shipping confirmation is there?
Maybe he decided to throw something extra fun into it and had to make new stickers for the ingredient panel.My order confirmation through MA did arrive in my "junk" folder on Monday and the "E-check payment processed" email arrived in my main inbox on Monday as well, but nothing since.
I did not notice my notification email until I saw this post. I get mine on Saturday. I won't be able to try it on Sunday because I am using something else that day and don't want to mix the two. I will try 4 caps Monday morning and report my experience.Seems some of my confirmations/notifications from MA end up in SPAM folder.
For instance this order confirmation I just did only showed up in my SPAM folder. Maybe your shipping confirmation is there?
Nice!I did not notice my notification email until I saw this post. I get mine on Saturday. I won't be able to try it on Sunday because I am using something else that day and don't want to mix the two. I will try 4 caps Monday morning and report my experience.
All orders ship after 3 business days, but what day that will fall on depends on what time of the day you order. For example, all orders placed after 2:00 pm will begin their 1st business day the following morning, as the bank stops processing e-checks for the day after 2:00 pm.My order confirmation through MA did arrive in my "junk" folder on Monday and the "E-check payment processed" email arrived in my main inbox on Monday as well, but nothing since.
You'll probably need the full dose, Ricky! 6 caps for you, my friend.Nice!
Would you consider yourself to be a heavy stim user?
Do you wake up every day and ask yourself which stim product you should use first? Then while you’re waiting for that to kick in, are you already picking out what to take next?
This may, or may not be what I do..
roger that. Thanks for the info! Received a tracking number early this morning so here in a few days I should receive. Excited to try and provide some feedback.All orders ship after 3 business days, but what day that will fall on depends on what time of the day you order. For example, all orders placed after 2:00 pm will begin their 1st business day the following morning, as the bank stops processing e-checks for the day after 2:00 pm.
Tip: If ordering on a week day, order before 2:00 pm, so that the day you order counts as your 1st business day.
It's the same with the weekends. The bank doesn't process e-checks on the weekend, so if someone orders Friday night, the 1st business day will begin on Monday. Generally speaking, it takes 6-7 days to receive an order...and for customers with a prior positive payment history, usually 5-6 days.
As far as your own order is concerned, if you ordered Monday after the business day ended, the first business day would have begun on Tuesday, which means the package would ship on Friday. If you ordered on Monday before the business day was over, it would ship on Thursday.
Moderately heavy user. I usually wake up with 300mg caffeine and I might have 100-200mg about 6-8 hours later depending how much I need it. Sometimes I mix other stims and nootropics in with the caffeine. 5mg of adderall can add a lot of focus without much more stimulation. My bottle of Methyl-Blue came in early. I am tempted to try it tomorrow but I am careful about trying new stims when going to work. I tried Craze (The one with the hidden ingredient) for the first time before work and I am sure everyone thought I was on drugs.Nice!
Would you consider yourself to be a heavy stim user?
Do you wake up every day and ask yourself which stim product you should use first? Then while you’re waiting for that to kick in, are you already picking out what to take next?
This may, or may not be what I do..
We all have a story about the first time we tried Craze. Unfortunately, I can’t remember mine- but I know I have one!Moderately heavy user. I usually wake up with 300mg caffeine and I might have 100-200mg about 6-8 hours later depending how much I need it. Sometimes I mix other stims and nootropics in with the caffeine. 5mg of adderall can add a lot of focus without much more stimulation. My bottle of Methyl-Blue came in early. I am tempted to try it tomorrow but I am careful about trying new stims when going to work. I tried Craze (The one with the hidden ingredient) for the first time before work and I am sure everyone thought I was on drugs.
We’ll see! I will likely feel it out a little at the startYou'll probably need the full dose, Ricky! 6 caps for you, my friend.
I have a full description (but not too long) right on the product page on the website (just click on the product page and scroll down a bit). It explains exactly what you are asking.I'm so glad to see this finally on the market!
Mike, can you go over the technical details on the chemical and how it works? I know you mentioned in the other thread it was an MAOI.
I'm going to wait for some reviews before I buy it, but it sounds like an awesome supplement!
I've been lifetime banned from PayPal and no bank would ever allow me to have a cc when selling stuff like MK (Somatozine) and GW. This is what happens when selling grey-area supplements like this. I can either get rid of all the products that make my company unique and get cc's...or continue producing unique products and limit my payment options. I've chosen the latter.Mike I wish if you could add other payment methods like paypal or Visa etc
I order out of the US and ship using a mail forward
Really wish to try it
Just popped 4 of these and about to hit the gym! Has anyone asked how much caffeine is in each cap? Would be nice to know just the caffeine content without giving away anymore of the prop blend.
If you take 300 mg of caffeine regularly, you may want to add some extra caffeine to Methyl-BLUE. I kept the caffeine dose low (200 mg per full 6 cap dose) for two main reasons, which I explain in the previous post.Moderately heavy user. I usually wake up with 300mg caffeine and I might have 100-200mg about 6-8 hours later depending how much I need it. Sometimes I mix other stims and nootropics in with the caffeine. 5mg of adderall can add a lot of focus without much more stimulation. My bottle of Methyl-Blue came in early. I am tempted to try it tomorrow but I am careful about trying new stims when going to work. I tried Craze (The one with the hidden ingredient) for the first time before work and I am sure everyone thought I was on drugs.
Mike, have you tried using any of these payment processors?I've been lifetime banned from PayPal and no bank would ever allow me to have a cc when selling stuff like MK (Somatozine) and GW. ...
Thanks, I read it. Unfortunately, do the fact that I'm using an SNRI (serotonin norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor) I'm probably going to pass on this supplement. Since it's an MAOI-A and B the risk of me getting too much norepinephrine and or getting serotonin syndrome is just too high for me.I have a full description (but not too long) right on the product page on the website (just click on the product page and scroll down a bit). It explains exactly what you are asking.
Would love to to hear your (or anyone else's) feedback on Methyl-Blue. Still waiting to hear from some people on how it works and compares to other stims.Just popped 4 of these and about to hit the gym! Has anyone asked how much caffeine is in each cap? Would be nice to know just the caffeine content without giving away anymore of the prop blend.
So far I like it. I’m a heavy stim user so while 4 caps gave a nice feel good buzz I could tell I wasn’t as amped as I usually am in the gym. I’m going to one of those guys that needs 6 caps with an extra 50-100mg of caffeine to get me at my usual caffeine dose. Its still early and subject to change But I would rank this above his aterall Xr and behind his vicaine product. Aterall gives me a dirty feeling kind of energy unlike modafinil. Vicaine gives euphoria, focus and extreme mood elevation. Methyl blue (again first dose) gave a euphoric, mood elevating kind of buzz different from what I get from vicaine. Once I adjust the caffeine dose with Possibly a small dose of flmodafinil the focus with come in hard and this potentially could be a new favorite of mine. Hope this helps. Best feedback I can give at the moment.Would love to to hear your (or anyone else's) feedback on Methyl-Blue. Still waiting to hear from some people on how it works and compares to other stims.
33.3mg caffeine per capJust popped 4 of these and about to hit the gym! Has anyone asked how much caffeine is in each cap? Would be nice to know just the caffeine content without giving away anymore of the prop blend.
Well, according to the website, Vicaine is discontinued. As well as the Vicaine PM product. That's a shame, I would have liked to try those.So far I like it. I’m a heavy stim user so while 4 caps gave a nice feel good buzz I could tell I wasn’t as amped as I usually am in the gym. I’m going to one of those guys that needs 6 caps with an extra 50-100mg of caffeine to get me at my usual caffeine dose. Its still early and subject to change But I would rank this above his aterall Xr and behind his vicaine product. Aterall gives me a dirty feeling kind of energy unlike modafinil. Vicaine gives euphoria, focus and extreme mood elevation. Methyl blue (again first dose) gave a euphoric, mood elevating kind of buzz different from what I get from vicaine. Once I adjust the caffeine dose with Possibly a small dose of flmodafinil the focus with come in hard and this potentially could be a new favorite of mine. Hope this helps. Best feedback I can give at the moment.
Most are related (or owned by) to PayPal and I am lifetime banned from them all...except Zelle, but Zelle is the only immediate way I have left of accepting money, so I cannot risk losing it. I NEED that money service when making quick transactions for company related matters. If I lost that, I would be back to the dark ages of in store bank transfers (which no one wants to do). I've already been lifetime banned from several banks as well (I was falsely accused of being an illicit drug dealer when attempting to make large foreign transfers, so they literally closed my accounts and said I could never return).Mike, have you tried using any of these payment processors?
Zelle
Cashapp
Apple Pay
Google Pay
Chime
Even though manufacturers typically place an expiration of 2-3 years after bottling, the reality is that these compounds stay good for MANY years. You could open a bottle 10 years later and it will still work basically as well as it did on Day 1.Thanks, I read it. Unfortunately, do the fact that I'm using an SNRI (serotonin norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor) I'm probably going to pass on this supplement. Since it's an MAOI-A and B the risk of me getting too much norepinephrine and or getting serotonin syndrome is just too high for me.
Sounds like an amazing stimulant though. I might buy a couple bottles just to have for the future. What's the expiration date on these? Would they last longer refrigerated?
Go to CoinBase or blockchain.com and get a free BTC wallet. People can transfer money into it and it's easy as pie. They only take a small portion of the sale for Bitcoin.Most are related (or owned by) to PayPal and I am lifetime banned from them all...except Zelle, but Zelle is the only immediate way I have left of accepting money, so I cannot risk losing it. I NEED that money service when making quick transactions for company related matters. If I lost that, I would be back to the dark ages of in store bank transfers (which no one wants to do). I've already been lifetime banned from several banks as well (I was falsely accused of being an illicit drug dealer when attempting to make large foreign transfers, so they literally closed my accounts and said I could never return).
Just use E check bro. It’s just as secure as a CC And WAY easier than having to **** with BTC.Go to CoinBase or blockchain.com and get a free BTC wallet. People can transfer money into it and it's easy as pie. They only take a small portion of the sale for Bitcoin.
Everybody accepts BTC. Please sign up for one of those and accept cryptocurrency.
Thanks,
-SS
BTC is super easy. You can use Cash App with your debit card to buy BTC right from the app. I would get a wallet from Blockchain.com. They have some good security features, like blocking access to the site from TOR, 3 factor authentication and more,Just use E check bro. It’s just as secure as a CC And WAY easier than having to **** with BTC.
A), FMO3, PNMT, DBH, and CYP2D6.[9][10][11][12][13] Human monoamine oxidase enzymes metabolize tyramine into 4-hydroxyphenylacetaldehyde.[14] If monoamine metabolism is compromised by the use of monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOIs) and foods high in tyramine are ingested, a hypertensive crisis can result, as tyramine also can displace stored monoamines, such as dopamine, norepinephrine, and epinephrine, from pre-synaptic vesicles. Tyramine is considered a “false neurotransmitter,” as it enters noradrenergic nerve terminals and displaces large amounts of norepinephrine, which enters the blood stream and causes vasoconstriction.
The first signs of this effect were discovered by a British pharmacist who noticed that his wife, who at the time was on MAOI medication, had severe headaches when eating cheese.[15] For this reason, it is still called the "cheese effect" or "cheese crisis," though other foods can cause the same problem.[16]:30–31
Most processed cheeses do not contain enough tyramine to cause hypertensive effects, although some aged cheeses (such as Stilton) do.[17][18]
A large dietary intake of tyramine (or a dietary intake of tyramine while taking MAO inhibitors) can cause the tyramine pressor response, which is defined as an increase in systolic blood pressure of 30 mmHg or more. The increased release of norepinephrine (noradrenaline) from neuronal cytosol or storage vesicles is thought to cause the vasoconstriction and increased heart rate and blood pressure of the pressor response.
Damn!!! Stimulant overdose!!! It's really interesting how differently people respond to different doses of stimulants. I've had a few guys take 6 caps plus a couple hundred mg of caffeine and were good. I've had others say that 4 caps (with no additional caffeine) was their limit...and all of these people regularly consumed 300-400 mg of caffeine. So, it appears that each person is going to have to find the dose that is right for them, regardless of their normal caffeine intake.OK...so I will have to try this over again..
I did my first 6 capsule dose a few days ago first thing in the morning, along with a Dynamax (150mg caffeine, 100mg Dynamine, 200mg l-theanine). I though it would be a nice addition per Mike’s recommendations above for people that may have higher tolerance.
I think the combo was too much for me- and therefore I didn’t enjoy the benefits. I take phenylethylamines on the regular, so I thought I had to jump right in. Stims like this usually start coming on within 10 minutes for me, but this took closer to 20. What happened then was I felt a head rush and then felt slightly light-headed when I stood up, as well as slightly short of breath. It felt like I had some extreme vasoconstriction going on- particularly in my head. I ended up laying down in bed for ~20 minutes after that, and then things were OK as far as those side effects.
I can’t say that got anything positive out of that experience, except for discovering that it is powerful. The next morning I took 1 capsule with my usual rotation of stims, and didn’t note any difference from adding that 1 capsule. I think 3-4 will be good for me if adding to something like Dynamax, or 6 capsules alone of Methyl-BLUE.
Every ingredient is listed right on the bottle and the website. I also have an extensive warning on the bottle and website, which tells people not to use the product unless they consult their physician if they have high blood pressure or they're using any MAOI's, including drugs for depression, certain drugs for emotional/psychiatric conditions and/or Parkinson's.One thing I just recalled while reading was the above poster's message is the so called "cheese effect" or MAOI-A drugs. The cheese effect refers to the excessive consumption of foods high in tyramine that can bring on a hypertensive crisis and increase systolic blood pressure. That's why MAOI-A drugs have largely been phased out of usage over the last several decades, in favor of SSRIs for treating depression.
From Wikipedia:
Tyramine - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Here's a short list from The Mayo Clinic with some of the foods rich in tyramine:
Avoid the combination of high-tyramine foods and MAOIs
A low-tyramine diet is important for anyone taking MAOIs.www.mayoclinic.org
You can also search google for "list of tyramine rich foods maoi" and come up with long lists and entire diets regimented around avoiding tyramine.
So, this is something that should be ACUTELY aware to anyone using Methyl-Blue! Combining Methyl-Blue (since we don't know what molecule or compound it is and only have a vague general description of it, I would even advise @Mike Arnold to include this info on the website for Methyl-Blue, since it is potentially fatal.)
This is something I don't want to be an alarmist about, but users should definitely be made aware of this and it would be greatly helpful to know more information about the exact molecule (which I know would make Mike the target of the FDA and reveal his trade secret) and the amount per dosage.
This would help people titrate their doses of tyramine containing foods when using Methyl-Blue. Some OTC fat burners also contain tyramine, so look out for those as well.
Mike, I'm not trying to call you out. I like you and I like your product line. I realize you have to have warnings on the labels that say consult a physician and yada yada, but let's be serious - no one reads those or consults a physician. It's just to cover in case you get sued.Every ingredient is listed right on the bottle and the website. I also have an extensive warning on the bottle and website, which tells people not to use the product unless they consult their physician if they have high blood pressure or they're using any MAOI's, including drugs for depression, certain drugs for emotional/psychiatric conditions and/or Parkinson's.
I have even listed these warning right here on the site--multiple times.
I don't think I can be any more clear than that.
Even still, the product is pretty safe for most people. The MAO-A and MAO-B inhibition is short-acting--only a few hours. Most people who have elevated BP know not use stims, but all I can do is put the warning on the label.
Apparently yes-Damn!!! Stimulant overdose!!! It's really interesting how differently people respond to different doses of stimulants. I've had a few guys take 6 caps plus a couple hundred mg of caffeine and were good. I've had others say that 4 caps (with no additional caffeine) was their limit...and all of these people regularly consumed 300-400 mg of caffeine. So, it appears that each person is going to have to find the dose that is right for them, regardless of their normal caffeine intake.
Maybe try 4-5 caps alone next time. 6 caps Methyl-BLUE, pus 150 mg extra caffeine, plus an extra 100 mg Dynamine is a lot of stimulants. That is for the most extreme stimulant user.
Remember, there is almost 2 grams of total phenylethylamines per 6 cap serving.
Like I said before, all the ingredients are listed right on the bottle...right on the website. Just click on the website, go to the product page and click on the picture that shows the ingredient panel. It's right there for everyone to see, as clear as day. By law, I MUST list all the ingredients for every product on both the bottle and the website. The ingredient profile was never a secret. It has been listed on the label and website from Day #1.Mike, I'm not trying to call you out. I like you and I like your product line. I realize you have to have warnings on the labels that say consult a physician and yada yada, but let's be serious - no one reads those or consults a physician. It's just to cover in case you get sued.
What I'd like you to add is simply about the tyramine effect and the certain foods you have to avoid. Regardless of the half life of the drug, the tyramine effect can still occur in any MAOI-A drug. As for the name of the drug, I went back and read your article and I don't see the name of the supplement ingredients listed anywhere. You can't rotate the image of the bottle to see the back to see the ingredients. Are you not willing to share the name of this compound? Like I said, I know that would attract the attention of the FDA and make your proprietary formula not so proprietary. But for the matter of safety, I think you should list what it really is in nomenclature.
Most of the stimulant stuff like DMAA and DMHA were from old nasal decongestant formulas that were made in the 30s and 40s because there was a limited supply of amphetamine due to the war. These compounds work completely differently than an MAOI. An MAOI is typically prescribed as an anti-depressant to individuals with treatment resistant depression who find SSRIs/tricylic antidepressants don't work for them. Because of the "cheese effect", the rate of prescribing of MAOIs has dropped significantly.
But, I'm not saying Methyl-Blue doesn't work or isn't a good product. A lot of people have experimented with L-Deprenyl (Selegiline) because it's an MAOI-B and doesn't have the cheese effect. The weird thing about it, is that it converts to very small amounts of methamphetamine and amphetamine in the body. But it has a lot of other positive health benefits beyond just treating depression.
Selegiline - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
But, I just think you should include a short little section on the page advising people from eating certain foods when taking Methyl-Blue. That's all I'm saying.
Thanks for taking the time to read and respond,
-SS
Well, while I beg to differ just slightly on how you market the product, that is your call in the end. I wanted to help you set up Cash app and BTC to be able to accept more payment options, but you weren't interested, so I respect and understand that, but still thoroughly disagree. But that's a topic for another day.Basically, Methyl-BLUE doesn't pose any more of a risk than many, many other stimulants currently on the market.