Anyone try wicked by innovative labs? It’s dmha based
Looks okay, but their are better options out there IMO.Anyone try wicked by innovative labs? It’s dmha based
This was decent when I tied it for the first time two days ago. I can’t provide much feedback on it yet until I try it again at a full serving dose. When trying stimmed pres for the first time I use less then I normally would.
Yes, quebracho extracts in its label refers to yohimbine I think (I would even say alpha-yo), taking it few times a week I got really nasty alpha-yo side effects.Does anyone know if the new Mesomorph V4 has any alkaloids in it that resembles yohimbe? I used it this morning at full serving and noticed some mild Y sides.
@ELROCK How was it?
It’s good I am excited to try it again at closer to a full serving. I measured out exactly 70% of the 15.6 gram serving size for my first time with it. I didn’t feel overstimulated at all or any negative sides from it. I had damn good focus with good energy. It has a good taste to it too as surprising as that sounds well at least this flavor I have is good.@ELROCK How was it?
I gotta agree here and anytime I see a company put a Z at the end of lab I cringe.Haha the 'gone in 2 months' certification on supps- put a Z at the end of your company name.
It’s good I am excited to try it again at closer to a full serving. I measured out exactly 70% of the 15.6 gram serving size for my first time with it. I didn’t feel overstimulated at all or any negative sides from it. I had damn good focus with good energy. It has a good taste to it too as surprising as that sounds well at least this flavor I have is good.
Next time I try it I will go to 85% of the full serving size. I will report back on that if anyone is interested?
You bought it too, right? Have you tried it yet?
Well I like it and no post workout crash or headache. Maybe I break my rule of not using the same pre two days in a row and try it at 85% tomorrow. Idk, but I will be sure to post a review after I try it again.I have not bought it yet. I was waiting on your review.
That’s too much AY for me. I prefer not having it in there.
Yeah , that’s a loaded pre! Lol. Looks enticing , though and pretty good price. I never had an issue with y hclThat’s too much AY for me. I prefer not having it in there.
Also I prefer DMHA over DMAA. No crash and much less sides from DMHA.Yeah , that’s a loaded pre! Lol. Looks enticing , though and pretty good price. I never had an issue with y hcl
I loved Re1gn which was my first dmha. Yet to try dmaa, but I’ll probably avoid it. Only thing is I did notice a bit of rebound anxiety after my workout and cold sweatsAlso I prefer DMHA over DMAA. No crash and much less sides from DMHA.
Re1gn felt too stimmy for me. I would get jitters and cold sweats from it. I haven’t used it in a long time, but that’s how I remember it. I much preferred OL CU as that would consistently deliver feel good workouts.I loved Re1gn which was my first dmha. Yet to try dmaa, but I’ll probably avoid it. Only thing is I did notice a bit of rebound anxiety after my workout and cold sweats
didn’t get jitters , but I know what you mean. Felt kinda harsh.Re1gn felt too stimmy for me. I would get jitters and cold sweats from it. I haven’t used it in a long time, but that’s how I remember it. I much preferred OL CU as that would consistently deliver feel good workouts.
If your interested in something with heavier stim, but not harsh at all try Muscle Force Defiant Unleashed (30 serving version). It’s a higher energy feel good balanced pre.didn’t get jitters , but I know what you mean. Felt kinda harsh.
I’m currently using the og white flood formula and loving it. It’s not a heavy hitter, but the workouts are great which i want. A lil nicotine and a light pre
Yes, quebracho does have Yohimbine or similar alkaloids. It is much less Y than a normal supplement. Hi Tech also uses this extract on NO overload and I can’t say I notice much Y feeling to it at all.Yes, quebracho extracts in its label refers to yohimbine I think (I would even say alpha-yo), taking it few times a week I got really nasty alpha-yo side effects.
Looks pretty good. I just wouldn’t buy it because the AY is in a prob blend and it’s probably too much for me. If you handle AY well then go for it and let us know how you like it!@ELROCK hey, I have a source for the og wicked with dmaa . Thoughts? The red wine and creatine nitrate get me extra interested
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I receive a sample of that years ago and hated it. It basically felt like a slightly weaker version of OL Bloodshred RAW. Very strong in the AY department.@ELROCK hey, I have a source for the og wicked with dmaa . Thoughts? The red wine and creatine nitrate get me extra interested
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Don't like the sound of that. Anxiety?I receive a sample of that years ago and hated it. It basically felt like a slightly weaker version of OL Bloodshred RAW. Very strong in the AY department.
Major heebie jeebies all around!Don't like the sound of that. Anxiety?
Yeah I would say about 4-5 years ago all of the pres I bought were $20-$30 and now all the pres I buy are $40-$50.Man I remember when the super expensive pre's were $29.99 and you had to do a mental dance to purchase it.
Oh and 5lb protein was $25.
But then again didn't we find out almost all the protein back in 2005 or so was like 2grams with 57grams of carbs lol.
Yes and less full servings. So now you get 20 servings instead of 30 or whatever it was.Yeah I would say about 4-5 years ago all of the pres I bought were $20-$30 and now all the pres I buy are $40-$50.
An update - still loving Mesomorph v4. I prefer "Tutti Fruitti"; the other half prefers "Rocket Pop". Hydrazine is equally still working great - we get fantastic workouts on both, though use Mesomorph on heavier workout days.I prefer Mesomorph V4 over Pre Phase, God Status Labz Zeus, God Status Labz Krak’n, ASC El Jefe, or Dark Labs Flame.
Crack Gold edition is the one I want to try. I haven’t tried the regular Crack, but not really interested in trying it.Have been using crack and it’s my favorite so far. Insane pumps plus great smooth focus and energy. Assassin is good but makes me jittery if I take to much and pumps aren’t as good. Still a great pre though. So of the three I tried recently crack is my favorite. Second place is assaisin, distant third is exelscior which I don’t like.
120 mgs of dmaa is enough for me. Lol. I would like to try flame at some point. Also I forgot to add crack gives the worst stim dick. Ha so I’m confident it really has dmaa in it. All the old school products with it use to do the same. I seen herolean but it has way to much yohimbe for me. Dark labs products keep popping up here and there. I’m hoping to see flame come up. Hear it is super smooth energy.Crack Gold edition is the one I want to try. I haven’t tried the regular Crack, but not really interested in trying it.
Looking at the Condemned Labz Convict Stim, any other folks tried it yet?The dose of N-methyl d-aspartic seems insanely high based on what it used to be, I think I-Force used 25mg?? That is not normal DAA and I know there were concerns even at 25mg as to potential negative consequences of over stimulation of the glutaminergic receptors................going off a shaky memory here lol.
I have been using Condemed Labz Convict 1 scoop pre and one tossed in my intra and love it. New Mesomorph is great as well. I usually don't like too much Y in a pre, for instance Insane Labz Psychotic is like liquid death to me, and these two are just right for me.
Using it now ! It’s freaking amazing! Literally all day , clean energy and focus . No crash and great workouts
Your in luck I see places have crack gold back in stock. I grabbed one to try.Crack Gold edition is the one I want to try. I haven’t tried the regular Crack, but not really interested in trying it.
Wish I had known that, LOL. Looks like Halloween preorder also has noopept.Both of those get good reviews. I guess defiant puts out a halloween one or did in the past that is even stronger. Defiant is next on my list to try.
Good choices! Two of my favorites!Well, just picked up some Zeus and Muscle Force Defiant Unleashed. Profiles attached. Can report back if anyone's interested. View attachment 208906View attachment 208907
Yes and it wasn't a good experience at all. It didn't almost have some positive effects on my workouts but comedowns made me feel like ****, worst I ever had
I ended up going with other options since I didn't want the yohimbine in it. Thanks for the feedback!Yes and it wasn't a good experience at all. It didn't almost have some positive effects on my workouts but comedowns made me feel like ****, worst I ever had
This is the Defiant Unleashed version with 350mg of l-theanine and has less servings per tub just an FYI.View attachment 208911
The Halloween edition is up on their website for Pre-order
I don't get the 350mg of theanine. The Defiant Unleashed version is better.This is the Defiant Unleashed version with 350mg of l-theanine and has less servings per tub just an FYI.
Yeah. Probably had to make room for the noopept and lions mane.This is the Defiant Unleashed version with 350mg of l-theanine and has less servings per tub just an FYI.
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