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@Jstrong20 I'm confused - I thought you said you tried Phenta-Plex, but maybe you were referring to another PWO? If you did try Phenta-Plex, what did you think of it and how does it compare to Excelsior?
I orderd phena plex and flame. Also just picked up primeval black because it was cheap. Probably where the confusion came from. You can see in my quotes in post above. Phena plex feels same as excelsior to me.
 

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I orderd phena plex and flame. Also just picked up primeval black because it was cheap. Probably where the confusion came from. You can see in my quotes in post above. Phena plex feels same as excelsior to me.
The same, including the noticeable crash of Excelsior?
 
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I orderd phena plex and flame. Also just picked up primeval black because it was cheap. Probably where the confusion came from. You can see in my quotes in post above. Phena plex feels same as excelsior to me.
Awesome to hear. In that case, I'll definitely look forward to trying out Phenta-plex when it gets delivered this weekend. Do you notice the same kind of euphoria that the older batches of Excelsior provided?
 

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The same, including the noticeable crash of Excelsior?
It’s hard to say. The first time I took excelsior was no crash and last too long if anything. Even using two to three times a week I built a tolerance to it crazy fast and it wouldn’t last long plus horrible crash. So this time I plan on hardly ever using it to avoid that. That’s why I really didn’t like excelsior. But I can see it being useful once every week or two. I’m sure somebody else will use it excessively and we will find out. Lol
 

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Awesome to hear. In that case, I'll definitely look forward to trying out Phenta-plex when it gets delivered this weekend. Do you notice the same kind of euphoria that the older batches of Excelsior provided?
Like I said it’s been awhile since I took it. I don’t remember any crazy euphoria just it made it crazy easy to do manual labor all day and time flew by. Next time I try it again I’ll post up more on what I think. I’m sure as the world gets out lots of more people will be posting. Also I was happy all day but my stuff came plus I got a 1000 dollar bonus in my check I didn’t know about. Ha who wouldn’t feel happy.
 
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People really catch onto spiked products quick haha. Phentaplex on ebay is almost sold out, the guy I bought it from was fully stocked 2 days ago and now hes down to his last 2 tubs lol Also places started raising the price

I got the pill version Phentamene XT in the mail today, ill try it out tomorrow for you guys.
 

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I wonder if theres a difference from the cheaper tubs on ebay compared to the website linked in the video by fitness deals.
Anyway I ordered a tub of strawberry lemonde version on ebay for $30 along with the capsule version.

also this is a review someone posted on the video:
"I took about 1.2ish scoop (one scoop probably would've been enough). First I took half a scoop, waited 40 minutes, and took the other half and a tiny bit more after. Fasted state, like I would on excelsior, first thing in the morning.
- Super clean, i mean VERY clean energy. No heart racing moments. No anxiety.
- Much easier to breathe. I was lighter on my feet. Similar to what I felt on the O.G. Craze back in 2012. This might be a negative because if the withdrawals are anything like craze, I'll feel super lazy and heavy for a few days after stopping use.
- Speedy type of energy. Since it was easier to breathe and move, it was easier to recover between sets and I could just keep moving.
- doesn't suppress appetite. I can eat and I don't feel sick by the sight of people eating like excelsior.
- no cotton dry mouth. Cons: I don't feel the caffeine, and there's no way all of this energy is from 400mg caffeine, 100mg DMHA and synephrine. And I've taken modafinil before, this is nothing like it. "
Hey that's my review 🤠

It's my second day taking it, and still feel the same way. And from another tub.
 
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I have a tub of Phenta-Plex I’ll consider trading or selling cheap. i’ve used 3 servings out of it.

i noticed pretty good energy and focus for 6 hours. However, the come down for me is more of an anxious feeling than a crash.

Hit me up if you’re interested. It’s the sour candy flavor which actually tastes sweet. lol. not a horrible flavor. it’s drinkable, especially when you know it’s working. i don’t plan to use it anymore though.
 
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Hey that's my review 🤠

It's my second day taking it, and still feel the same way. And from another tub.
I guess I'll find out soon enough whether it works for me, since I ordered a tub off eBay that should be getting delivered by later this week/weekend.
 
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I have a tub of Phenta-Plex I’ll consider trading or selling cheap. i’ve used 3 servings out of it.

i noticed pretty good energy and focus for 6 hours. However, the come down for me is more of an anxious feeling than a crash.

Hit me up if you’re interested. It’s the sour candy flavor which actually tastes sweet. lol. not a horrible flavor. it’s drinkable, especially when you know it’s working. i don’t plan to use it anymore though.
Did it "feel" similar to Excelsior to you? Or just like a standard-issue DMAA/DMHA preworkout?
 

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Its absolutley spiked and not dmha/dmaa. I have lots of experince with dmaa from back in the day. Also finished a tub of crack, assasin v7, and almost out of crack gold that is suppose to have both. Nothing back then and none now that claim dmaa or dmha last anywhere near as long or feel the same. Way back when I started takeing preworkouts they still had e/c/a in them. Plus it list 100mgs of dmha I think. lol That would do much of anything. Those products hit you way harder but dont last more then a few hours. This stuff is smooth focus and energy for a long period of time.
 
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Did it "feel" similar to Excelsior to you? Or just like a standard-issue DMAA/DMHA preworkout?
i didn’t feel as social but the focus seemed more intense. it was a smooth steady flow. nothing harsh. the anxiety at the end is something new to me. more anxious than anxiety really. excelsior made me depressed after it wore off.
 

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i didn’t feel as social but the focus seemed more intense. it was a smooth steady flow. nothing harsh. the anxiety at the end is something new to me. more anxious than anxiety really. excelsior made me depressed after it wore off.
I feel the same way about Excelsior. Excelsior made me feel all kinds of things, it was a roller coaster sometimes. Phenta plex feels much better. I never feel the end of it but I'm still able to sleep at night, I can sleep a lot better than when I was using excelsior.
 
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Is that Hydrazine any good?
Well here in EU we don't have as much options on strong pwo's, as you/they have in the US. Like I haven't seen almost any of the pwo's talked about in this and other pwo related threads. Excelsior I can find, but seems like it's glory days are over. That said, Hydrazine is the best stim wise, that I've possessed in years. It's decent. Not a rush or I want to fucken do stuff aggressive energy, but pretty nice semi long lasting cleanish energy. Better than most.
 
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Well here in EU we don't have as much options on strong pwo's, as you/they have in the US. Like I haven't seen almost any of the pwo's talked about in this and other pwo related threads. Excelsior I can find, but seems like it's glory days are over. That said, Hydrazine is the best stim wise, that I've possessed in years. It's decent. Not a rush or I want to fucken do stuff aggressive energy, but pretty nice semi long lasting cleanish energy. Better than most.
I thought about making an order for some hormonal stuff and throwing that in.
 
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I thought about making an order for some hormonal stuff and throwing that in.
It's usually a bit pricy, at least in places I've seen, but if that doesn't bother you, then I'd say give it a shot. It's also nice, that it's in capsules. Easy to stack with milder stuff or with a more pump oriented product. It's also 60 servings. 2 caps can upset my stomach a little (1 doesn't) and doesn't seem to be any better, than 1 cap. Which is a bit odd, but that's my experience.
 
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I thought about making an order for some hormonal stuff and throwing that in.
Coincidently I ordered one a couple of weeks ago along with some 9mbc. Should arrive sometime this week if you're interested in hearing what someone with a high stim tolerance thinks.
 
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Just tried a scoop of PhentaPlex. Its definitely not spiked with with an aphetamine like excelsior. Zero euphoria, zero appetite suppression. Its a mild clean energy with a foggy type of tunnel vision. Tried to play some Apex/csgo on it and couldnt focus.
 
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Just tried a scoop of PhentaPlex. Its definitely not spiked with with an aphetamine like excelsior. Zero euphoria, zero appetite suppression. Its a mild clean energy with a foggy type of tunnel vision. Tried to play some Apex/csgo on it and couldnt focus.
Where did you order it from?
 
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Just tried a scoop of PhentaPlex. Its definitely not spiked with with an aphetamine like excelsior. Zero euphoria, zero appetite suppression. Its a mild clean energy with a foggy type of tunnel vision. Tried to play some Apex/csgo on it and couldnt focus.
That sucks. Guess I don't have high hopes for the product at this point.
 
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Somewhat off-topic but related question -- has anyone ever failed a federal pre-employment drug screen because they took Excelsior or Crack (contains 120 mg DMAA) in the days leading up to the drug test?

I'm currently being onboarded for a federal gov job that I had to submit a urine sample for a couple weeks ago, and I just got a phone call and email from HR earlier today asking me to call them regarding my drug test results. Could I have honestly failed it by taking these two PWOs?

Also, I don't eat anything during the day but I do drink lots of fluids (probably 70-80 ounces or more during my 8-hr workday), and I had to take the drug test after leaving work that day. Could this have caused a dilute sample?
 
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Somewhat off-topic but related question -- has anyone ever failed a federal pre-employment drug screen because they took Excelsior or Crack (contains 120 mg DMAA) in the days leading up to the drug test?

I'm currently being onboarded for a federal gov job that I had to submit a urine sample for a couple weeks ago, and I just got a phone call and email from HR earlier today asking me to call them regarding my drug test results. Could I have honestly failed it by taking these two PWOs?

Also, I don't eat anything during the day but I do drink lots of fluids (probably 70-80 ounces or more during my 8-hr workday), and I had to take the drug test after leaving work that day. Could this have caused a dilute sample?
Take this with a grain of salt, but I've read a few comments online that someone actually tested excelsior and it contained 3-fma, an amphetamine analogue. If thats true it would trigger a positive for amphetamines/methamphetamine. Not sure of 3fma half-life but theres definitely a chance it would show up in urine if you took it within 3 days.
 
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Take this with a grain of salt, but I've read a few comments online that someone actually tested excelsior and it contained 3-fma, an amphetamine analogue. If thats true it would trigger a positive for amphetamines/methamphetamine. Not sure of 3fma half-life but theres definitely a chance it would show up in urine if you took it within 3 days.
Well damn, I hope I didn't ruin my prospects of getting set for life with a fed job because I just had to take some sketchy-ass preworkout. From what I recall, I did not exercise or take any PWOs on the day of my drug test, but I did use Crack (contains DMAA) the night before. I'm not sure what I used the day before that but it was likely Excelsior.

Do you happen to have the link to the site where someone mentioned testing Excelsior? (Not that I don't believe you, just genuinely curious)
 
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Don’t sweat it. Amphetamines typically clear in 72 or less. Dmaa shouldn’t false positive. If anything does come of it, be willing to show the supps used, and shrug your shoulders and wrinkle your forehead like “*palms up*idk?”.

My best friend got a high level federal job with a recent history of marijuana use. It greatly surprised me, but he said they didn’t seem concerned, more that you were honest about it. Keep your head up.
 

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You would be fine. The first test they give is a cheap piliminarty tesy and it shows false positives sometimes. I’d that happens they use a much more accurate test that would show dmaa/dmha was not an illegal drug.
 
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I have seen plenty of False Positive drug tests with DMAA or other well known PEA derivatives. And of course Ephedrine

The good news being that a gas chromography test, differentiates them

Im taking Alpha Mood Pump and I like to blend in 2-3g of Creatine HCL with it and electrolytes. I also will use some topical SR9009+RAD140 + GW501516 for a super endurance blend

Pricy PWO blend but beats anything else I have seen around. I dont like those filthy super stim PWOs's anymore.

Also Excelsior is supposed to be coming back with a new Excelsior very soon. Its funny bc I was the one that brought Excelsior to this forum and I even reviewed it. Several people said my review was questionable and that the product was weak. Now that's all that is talked about in this thread years later LMAO.

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Coincidently I ordered one a couple of weeks ago along with some 9mbc. Should arrive sometime this week if you're interested in hearing what someone with a high stim tolerance thinks.
Absolutely. Would love to hear your thoughts
 
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I workout early in the morning and love a feel good stim preworkout! I rotate preworkout products and never will take the same product two days in a row. I generally have about 6 preworkouts on hand. I know that sounds ridiculous haha but that’s the way I like it. So I am looking for some suggestions for some feel good preworkout products. Letting me know of a sale or discount code would be awesome.

My current favorites are:

OG Kraken
God Status Labz Zeus
God Status Labz Krak’n
Excelsior
Dark Energy
OL Conquer Unleashed

I am not a fan of Y, AY or high dosed theanine. I do like DMHA, Eria J, Amp citrate and DMAA. I like caffeine to be at 200mg-350mg.
I’m currently taking mvpre. I’m really enjoying it, b
 

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I have seen plenty of False Positive drug tests with DMAA or other well known PEA derivatives. And of course Ephedrine

The good news being that a gas chromography test, differentiates them


Im taking Alpha Mood Pump and I like to blend in 2-3g of Creatine HCL with it and electrolytes. I also will use some topical SR9009+RAD140 + GW501516 for a super endurance blend

Pricy PWO blend but beats anything else I have seen around. I dont like those filthy super stim PWOs's anymore.

Also Excelsior is supposed to be coming back with a new Excelsior very soon. Its funny bc I was the one that brought Excelsior to this forum and I even reviewed it. Several people said my review was questionable and that the product was weak. Now that's all that is talked about in this thread years later LMAO.

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I’ve been looking at alpha mood pre for awhile. I’ll probably get it next. I’ll throw up a review when I purchase it. Still waiting on info on the new nutropic blends you got coming.
 
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Just picked this one up, El Chapo. I know some don't like yohimbine, but they have other similar ones without.

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My own bottle of Phenta-Plex just came in the mail today. However, I'm thinking about holding off on taking it prior to my running tonight since I have to submit a urine drug screen no later than Wed. morning.

That brings up a related question. I took a scoop of Excelsior yesterday on a (mostly) empty stomach at ~4:30 PM. About 45 mins later, I ran for about an hour. I drank a decent amount of water afterwards and ate dinner. So far for today, I haven't eaten anything and have drank probably 80 oz of water or more. I'm about to go out for my daily run in about an hour.

Having said all that -- do you guys think I'll be good to submit the urine sample tomorrow morning? (about 14-15 hrs from now)

Or should I wait until Wed. to submit the sample?

Also, is there anything else I can do (besides drinking lots of water) to flush out whatever suspected amphetamine may be contained in Excelsior? Does the hour of running do anything to speed up metabolism/elimination of the drug?

Thanks
 

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I wouldn’t worry. I’m sure there is nothing in excelsior that they will test for. Worst case is a false positive and they will run a better test and it will show no meth, Coke, or any other stimulant they may actually be looking for. I’ve heard of people passing drug test even on 4fa and That is way closer to what they would be looking for.
 
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not to be a jerk but you should have NOT taken excelsior today and drank water until wednesday. doesn’t seem like you’re taking it very seriously.
I actually took the Excelsior yesterday (about 27 hrs ago) and have been drinking lots of water since then.
 
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I wouldn’t worry. I’m sure there is nothing in excelsior that they will test for. Worst case is a false positive and they will run a better test and it will show no meth, Coke, or any other stimulant they may actually be looking for. I’ve heard of people passing drug test even on 4fa and That is way closer to what they would be looking for.
It's the SAMSHA test that is administered to new/existing federal employees, so it looks for not only meth but "regular" amphetamine as well. That's what has me worried.
 

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It's the SAMSHA test that is administered to new/existing federal employees, so it looks for not only meth but "regular" amphetamine as well. That's what has me worried.
Yeah but whatever is in it is probably not a scheduled drug. I doubt anybody would do that. I don’t know about govt drug test but I’d imagine as long as it is not a specific scheduled drug you’d be ok.
 

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