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Ive seen worse. Its supposed to be like the OG jacked/craze. Seems all the UK pres with kigella africana have a reputation for being amazing. coincedence?
i noticed that ingredient and figured that’s why you were interested. i’m interested too lol
 
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i noticed that ingredient and figured that’s why you were interested. i’m interested too lol
lmao! We have similar interests.
I just highly doubt that all these supplement companies coincidently put kigelia africana on their label and then spike it?

I tried looking for the raw and its only available from the netherlands

either way I may order a bottle during the black friday sale.

there's also this preworkout that has crazy reviews, and of course it has kigelia africana on the label lol


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lmao! We have similar interests.
I just highly doubt that all these supplement companies coincidently put kigelia africana on their label and then spike it?

I tried looking for the raw and its only available from the netherlands

either way I may order a bottle during the black friday sale.

there's also this preworkout that has crazy reviews, and of course it has kigelia africana on the label lol


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hmmm lmao
 
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I'll be doing the drug test in the morning, and then tomorrow evening, I'll be trying Phenta-Plex for the first time prior to going out for my run.

I did take a DMHA-loaded PWO earlier tonight, so I'll be curious to see if either that or the Excelsior I took on Sunday triggers a false positive.
 

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lmao! We have similar interests.
I just highly doubt that all these supplement companies coincidently put kigelia africana on their label and then spike it?

I tried looking for the raw and its only available from the netherlands

either way I may order a bottle during the black friday sale.

there's also this preworkout that has crazy reviews, and of course it has kigelia africana on the label lol


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From the reviews I've seen on this one it's supposed to be LEGIT but no one sells it here in the states and
shipping from the U.K. cost as much as the pre :(
 
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From the reviews I've seen on this one it's supposed to be LEGIT but no sells it here in the states and
shipping from the U.K. cost as much as the pre :(
I might order this one today or tomorrow. Need to try Phenta-Plex as well, which I already have. Has anyone here already tried Obliterate? Thoughts?
 
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Took a scoop of Phenta-Plex almost an hour ago. Have hardly noticed anything aside from maybe a mild degree of stimulation and focus. At best, I'd say it could be compared to an EXTREMELY weak Excelsior, but IMO even that would be a stretch. These bum PWOs are making me sad. :(
 
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Just got back from my hour-long run. My legs had that leaden feeling that you get when you try running on no PWO for the first time after taking an actual "legit" PWO for at least several days in a row. I really wanted to like this PWO, but I basically felt nothing from it. Makes me wonder if the fitness news site that's hyping as "the next Excelsior?" is actually the brand owner/manufacturer of the product and is simply trying to capitalize on the current Excelsior shortage.
 
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Just got back from my hour-long run. My legs had that leaden feeling that you get when you try running on no PWO for the first time after taking an actual "legit" PWO for at least several days in a row. I really wanted to like this PWO, but I basically felt nothing from it. Makes me wonder if the fitness news site that's hyping as "the next Excelsior?" is actually the brand owner/manufacturer of the product and is simply trying to capitalize on the current Excelsior shortage.
Thank you! I was just a few clicks of submitting a purchase!! Thank you
 
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Thank you! I was just a few clicks of submitting a purchase!! Thank you
Well @ELROCK and @Jstrong20 seemed to like it. The response is allways somewhat individual. Based on everything I've read so far, I'd still gladly give it a go, if I could find some in EU.
 
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Just got back from my hour-long run. My legs had that leaden feeling that you get when you try running on no PWO for the first time after taking an actual "legit" PWO for at least several days in a row. I really wanted to like this PWO, but I basically felt nothing from it. Makes me wonder if the fitness news site that's hyping as "the next Excelsior?" is
actually the brand owner/manufacturer of the product and is simply trying to capitalize on the current Excelsior shortage.
Mine definatley works. Sounds like batches may not be consistent unfortanatley. Lots of experienced guys claiming different results it seems.
 
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So I’m a stim junkie would love some “you should try this” advice. My preworkout is getting close to empty and would like to try something new and intense lol.
 
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Thank you! I was just a few clicks of submitting a purchase!! Thank you
Like someone else commented -- other users seem to "get" more from it, so maybe you'd be a responder to it? On an individual level, it sounds like it either hits really hard or not at all.
 

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So I’m a stim junkie would love some “you should try this” advice. My preworkout is getting close to empty and would like to try something new and intense lol

Dark labs herolean is one I haven’t tried but is suppose to hit the hardest of there line.i e used crack and flame by them and I both are strong. M2 by I think mind and muscle nutrition is another that is suppose to be good but it was out of stock last time I tried to get it.
 
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I am thinking of Phenta Plex for tomorrow’s workout
Bottle Rocket is no MA Vicaine replacement. I have only used it once at a full scoop. I still need to play around with the doses. At one scoop I didn’t feel the Tianeptine. Good news is I did not feel the Y in it either. To me it felt like 300mg caffeine with 200mg amp citrate which is not a bad combo at all. So I think it’s pretty good and I will keep it in the rotation 1x every couple weeks.
 
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I tried phenta-plex a few different times to gauge it. Tried half scoop when I first got it as a mid-day pick me up and got a good uplift in energy and focus. Was also feeling fatigued as had 2 solid workout days under my belt and had to work an extra day for my job. So did give a good boost when in that state.

400mg caffeine in one settings is too much for me so opted for .75 scoop on a workout day. That provided a great deal of energy and tunnel-vision focus and no euphoria. Which falls in line with the review on FDN. The comparison to excelsior might have been a little over-hyped but I think in the context of looking at it in a energy and focus perspective it would be fair.

This does state it contain DHMA which produces those effects so it could just mainly be that.

So I think that the energy and focus could just be coming from the DHMA+ caffeine combo. If there is any kind of "special sauce" in this its either in a small amount or something that produces a mild effect.

I think if you can get this at $35-40 and are looking for something that gives good energy and focus , its a good preworkout.
Any price higher than that its not worth it at least for me.

I got sour gummy and was excepting a bad taste based on other reviews but its actually not that bad. Its not great but also not good just in the middle.
 
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I just ordered Stampede from AA. it has injectable "amp" (amp citrate I think?)

should be wild
Wut?!?!?

Injecting amp citrate??? Bruh…this does not sound like a good idea!
Adenosine Monophosphate, not the stimulant.

It’s called Stampede because guys in India and such buy veterinary grade AMP for racing horses/camels and inject LARGE amounts of it to increase endurance, vascularity, pump, oxygen delivery.

Stampede I do honestly enjoy, but the AMP dose is super low. It’s very expensive for how low the AMP is. But it is very safe at least this way. A bigger amount accidentally pinned IV is medically used to slow/stop the heart temporarily for humans in tachycardia.
 
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Adenosine Monophosphate, not the stimulant.

It’s called Stampede because guys in India and such buy veterinary grade AMP for racing horses/camels and inject LARGE amounts of it to increase endurance, vascularity, pump, oxygen delivery.

Stampede I do honestly enjoy, but the AMP dose is super low. It’s very expensive for how low the AMP is. But it is very safe at least this way. A bigger amount accidentally pinned IV is medically used to slow/stop the heart temporarily for humans in tachycardia.
huh guess I'll aspirate, ty for the info
 

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I have seen plenty of False Positive drug tests with DMAA or other well known PEA derivatives. And of course Ephedrine

The good news being that a gas chromography test, differentiates them

Im taking Alpha Mood Pump and I like to blend in 2-3g of Creatine HCL with it and electrolytes. I also will use some topical SR9009+RAD140 + GW501516 for a super endurance blend

Pricy PWO blend but beats anything else I have seen around. I dont like those filthy super stim PWOs's anymore.

Also Excelsior is supposed to be coming back with a new Excelsior very soon. Its funny bc I was the one that brought Excelsior to this forum and I even reviewed it. Several people said my review was questionable and that the product was weak. Now that's all that is talked about in this thread years later LMAO.

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New Excelsior? Like Craze did with Craze2? and added clubbed mossed for extra mystery or what was it, and what about CRZ the O.G..... seriously can´t believe CRZ is listed as a hot seller at Predator Nutrition lol?
 

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My own bottle of Phenta-Plex just came in the mail today. However, I'm thinking about holding off on taking it prior to my running tonight since I have to submit a urine drug screen no later than Wed. morning.

That brings up a related question. I took a scoop of Excelsior yesterday on a (mostly) empty stomach at ~4:30 PM. About 45 mins later, I ran for about an hour. I drank a decent amount of water afterwards and ate dinner. So far for today, I haven't eaten anything and have drank probably 80 oz of water or more. I'm about to go out for my daily run in about an hour.

Having said all that -- do you guys think I'll be good to submit the urine sample tomorrow morning? (about 14-15 hrs from now)

Or should I wait until Wed. to submit the sample?

Also, is there anything else I can do (besides drinking lots of water) to flush out whatever suspected amphetamine may be contained in Excelsior? Does the hour of running do anything to speed up metabolism/elimination of the drug?

Thanks
A bit late know but some official pharmacological sources say that vitamin C and acidic environment in digestive tract speeds up break down of amphetamines, the if Excleisor is an amphetamine or whatever.
I have read youtube comments saying it was 3fma in Excelsior and somethimg else in newer batches. Reading up on 3fm people say it is a pleasant long lasting stimulant.
But if it was that easy to identify and flourinatedmethamphetamine in Excelsior it is surprsing the news isn´t around much more?
Especially competitor companies would have been happy to see Imperial Nutrition out of business.
I have read quite a few comments from people having passed urine tests after Excelsior though.
Hope it went well for you.
 
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I have sampled that kigelia african extract from the netherlands. It doesn´t have any of that kinda fuzzy feeling from Excelsior that I am guessing is because it is from something that resembles meth or whatever in the way it releases both bunch dopamine and some serotonin as well I am guessing. That Kigelia Africana is however a very clear energizing functional stimulant not that long lasting.
I am thinking it needs to be combined with stuff. I didnt diskike but I dont really like it. Taking like 200mg or a bit more I did get quite cold fingers and kinda bad crash, wouldn´t buy again
. Then I don´t like any DMAA or DMHA products but have been functioning well on Excelsior although my senses tell me it is in a different league somehow.
lmao! We have similar interests.
I just highly doubt that all these supplement companies coincidently put kigelia africana on their label and then spike it?

I tried looking for the raw and its only available from the netherlands

either way I may order a bottle during the black friday sale.

there's also this preworkout that has crazy reviews, and of course it has kigelia africana on the label lol


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Just tried a scoop of PhentaPlex. Its definitely not spiked with with an aphetamine like excelsior. Zero euphoria, zero appetite suppression. Its a mild clean energy with a foggy type of tunnel vision. Tried to play some Apex/csgo on it and couldnt focus.
Not distrusting your experience but are you a heavy user of other stims? Have you been using lots of Excelsior lately? In that case it would hard to feel it. but bummer if its just slightly caffeinated powder because I bought from the same seller as you receving my Phenta next week.
 
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Not distrusting your experience but are you a heavy user of other stims? Have you been using lots of Excelsior lately? In that case it would hard to feel it. but bummer if its just slightly caffeinated powder because I bought from the same seller as you receving my Phenta next week.
Naw havent had excelsior in a long time now. I know my stimulants pretty well and its just not spiked. Its not far off from the label imo
 
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ok guys. i’m wondering if there’s any correlation with this…

did your phenta tub have a smooth lid or ridges on the side for grip? and what was your experience.
 
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ok guys. i’m wondering if there’s any correlation with this…

did your phenta tub have a smooth lid or ridges on the side for grip? and what was your experience.
Mines ridges.

Anyone order any good preworkouts for blackfriday?

I have otw
God Status Labs Leviathan
2x Fusion Obliterate(bogo)
DS frenzy
 
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Mines ridges.

Anyone order any good preworkouts for blackfriday?

I have otw
God Status Labs Leviathan
2x Fusion Obliterate(bogo)
DS frenzy
Made my order a bit in hurry, as did it in the middle of work, so kind of just threw stuff in the cart. But I'm thinking Angel dust for those days when needing a kick in the butt. Stimul8 for a little extra energy, when coffee just isn't enough. And Shatter being caps it could be a stacker to add with other pwo's and can play with the dose for a little extra energy here and there.

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A bit late know but some official pharmacological sources say that vitamin C and acidic environment in digestive tract speeds up break down of amphetamines, the if Excleisor is an amphetamine or whatever.
I have read youtube comments saying it was 3fma in Excelsior and somethimg else in newer batches. Reading up on 3fm people say it is a pleasant long lasting stimulant.
But if it was that easy to identify and flourinatedmethamphetamine in Excelsior it is surprsing the news isn´t around much more?
Especially competitor companies would have been happy to see Imperial Nutrition out of business.
I have read quite a few comments from people having passed urine tests after Excelsior though.
Hope it went well for you.
Thanks. I'm hoping to hear that I passed the drug test sometime next week, although with this being the federal gov't., I won't be surprised if it takes weeks for them to process the sample (the first sample took literally 2.5 weeks to process -- just to be told that it was dilute).

I'm also surprised that there hasn't been any formal chemical analysis done on Excelsior. It could simply be the case that the hype never quite reached writers in the mainstream media. I recall that it was an "exposé" article published by USA Today that brought national attention to Craze being spiked.
 
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Mines ridges.

Anyone order any good preworkouts for blackfriday?

I have otw
God Status Labs Leviathan
2x Fusion Obliterate(bogo)
DS frenzy
I'm also curious to hear how you like Fusion Obliterate. I was very close to ordering it the other day, but after having such a disappointing experience with Phenta-Plex, I really don't want to get burned by spending money on more dud preworkouts, especially considering how expensive it is to order Obliterate with it only being available from UK-based retailers.

BTW, I decided to give Phenta-Plex another try earlier tonight. Unfortunately, I had basically the same experience as when I tried it the first time the other night. In addition to not really feeling any stimulation at all, I felt very slow and "clunky" on a whole body level when trying to run. It's kind of hard to explain, but when I would take the OG Excelsior and then go run, my body simply felt lighter, almost as if there was less gravity to contend with. It truly was the perfect cardio supplement.
 
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I'm also curious to hear how you like Fusion Obliterate. I was very close to ordering it the other day, but after having such a disappointing experience with Phenta-Plex, I really don't want to get burned by spending money on more dud preworkouts, especially considering how expensive it is to order Obliterate with it only being available from UK-based retailers.

BTW, I decided to give Phenta-Plex another try earlier tonight. Unfortunately, I had basically the same experience as when I tried it the first time the other night. In addition to not really feeling any stimulation at all, I felt very slow and "clunky" on a whole body level when trying to run. It's kind of hard to explain, but when I would take the OG Excelsior and then go run, my body simply felt lighter, almost as if there was less gravity to contend with. It truly was the perfect cardio supplement.
smooth lid or ridged?
 
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Well, I'm stocked on high stim pre's for a while now. Have probably enough to last me for at least half a year. What I have on hand:

Convict Stim - they just had a BOGO sale for Black Friday
El Chapo
Defiant Unleashed
Zeus
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Naw havent had excelsior in a long time now. I know my stimulants pretty well and its just not spiked. Its not far off from the label imo
Thanks for reply, well I eat it up myself for listening to youtube shills lol.
400mg caffeine is a bit much for me personally and TJ and other says not much caffeine feels but who knows and even if some tubs happened to be spiked doesn´t mean all would be. I´ll try it out myself.
I have been around since Craze and for a few years after Craze I kept believing that another one showed up but then gave up and didn´t try Excelsior until June last year just before weaker tubs started showing up. Then impulsively after watching a youtuber reviewer saying Phenta-Plex was the next Excelsior I ordered....
Gotta stop following stim junkies news lol Well sooner or later another extra good supp will show up again but if they have undisclosed ingredients we can´t expect them to be the same every time. That at least is the strength of main pharma, most of their batches are really similar in potency when it comes to medicine and even the stims they carry.
 
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I'm also curious to hear how you like Fusion Obliterate. I was very close to ordering it the other day, but after having such a disappointing experience with Phenta-Plex, I really don't want to get burned by spending money on more dud preworkouts, especially considering how expensive it is to order Obliterate with it only being available from UK-based retailers.

BTW, I decided to give Phenta-Plex another try earlier tonight. Unfortunately, I had basically the same experience as when I tried it the first time the other night. In addition to not really feeling any stimulation at all, I felt very slow and "clunky" on a whole body level when trying to run. It's kind of hard to explain, but when I would take the OG Excelsior and then go run, my body simply felt lighter, almost as if there was less gravity to contend with. It truly was the perfect cardio supplement.
Thanks for really lowering expectations for Phenta-Plex now I am not expecting much at all but if really lucky I might ged a good surptise.
Who knows though maybe the person behind Phenta-Plex somehow managed to get some very special tubs out to people who would spread the word on youtube and at least making some pretty nice quick bucks without even risking it and spiking the whole production?
 

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Thanks. I'm hoping to hear that I passed the drug test sometime next week, although with this being the federal gov't., I won't be surprised if it takes weeks for them to process the sample (the first sample took literally 2.5 weeks to process -- just to be told that it was dilute).

I'm also surprised that there hasn't been any formal chemical analysis done on Excelsior. It could simply be the case that the hype never quite reached writers in the mainstream media. I recall that it was an "exposé" article published by USA Today that brought national attention to Craze being spiked.
I am guessing and I think I have some memory in that some chemists being involved in other products helped analyzing Craze, I think there was a discussion insider here somewhere, can´t remember exactly though. Competitors would be interested in busting a bestselling product.
With all those youtube videos Excelsior has become pretty exposed though. I think it still is questionable that a simple reagent test would show that it is 3fma although I do think there is something in there. But chemistry and variations with little molecules put in different sequences are pretty much endless.
 
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i discovered it by accident

well, that’s 2 for 2 on vertical ridges not having much effect.
Interesting observation. I bought mine off eBay, if it's of any significance. BTW, if you're interested in trading one of your older Excelsior tubs for another PWO, here's what I have (most of these have only had 2-3 servings removed at the most): Crack, Condemned Labs' Convict, SVG115, DVS8T of the Union, and Hypermax. Would also be willing to pay some $$$ in addition to whatever product(s) you might be interested in trading for.
 

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Thanks. I'm hoping to hear that I passed the drug test sometime next week, although with this being the federal gov't., I won't be surprised if it takes weeks for them to process the sample (the first sample took literally 2.5 weeks to process -- just to be told that it was dilute).

I'm also surprised that there hasn't been any formal chemical analysis done on Excelsior. It could simply be the case that the hype never quite reached writers in the mainstream media. I recall that it was an "exposé" article published by USA Today that brought national attention to Craze being spiked.
In the worst case that you would show a false positive tell them the truth that you took PWO supplement that after researching closer other people as well might have given false positives to.
 
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Thanks for really lowering expectations for Phenta-Plex now I am not expecting much at all but if really lucky I might ged a good surptise.
Who knows though maybe the person behind Phenta-Plex somehow managed to get some very special tubs out to people who would spread the word on youtube and at least making some pretty nice quick bucks without even risking it and spiking the whole production?
Maybe so. Honestly, though, I think that whoever is manufacturing Phenta-Plex is just trying to capitalize on the Excelsior shortage (and recent negative hype surrounding the latest batches) and drum up as much hype as possible to give Phenta-Plex the reputation of "the next spiked preworkout."
 
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Interesting observation. I bought mine off eBay, if it's of any significance. BTW, if you're interested in trading one of your older Excelsior tubs for another PWO, here's what I have (most of these have only had 2-3 servings removed at the most): Crack, Condemned Labs' Convict, SVG115, DVS8T of the Union, and Hypermax. Would also be willing to pay some $$$ in addition to whatever product(s) you might be interested in trading for.
i think most of those have Y and i cannot do Y.
I’ll keep you in mind. If i don’t find something good soon, the temptation to open one gets stronger each passing day lol.

my smooth lid phenta came from supp kingz. ridged lid came from muscle factory sc.
 

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i think most of those have Y and i cannot do Y.
I’ll keep you in mind. If i don’t find something good soon, the temptation to open one gets stronger each passing day lol.

my smooth lid phenta came from supp kingz. ridged lid came from muscle factory sc.
Did you say Phenta was pretty much useless or did it at least feel like 400mg caffeine and 100mg DMHA? Are you saying the smooth lidded Phenta Plex kicked ass? Anywhere near Execlsior in focus and long lasting effect?
 

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