Stim Junkies - Anyone tried PES "Craze"

itzDodge said:
My first workout with it was surprisingly intense. Dosed 2 scoops after class, I was pretty excited to try it but other than that I felt lethargic, this volume on phat is something I'm not accustomed to yet. Got to the gym about 45 minutes after dosing it and didn't ever really feel it kick in. At some point during the beginning of the day I noticed I had a surprising amount of energy, I needed to keep moving and at that point I realized I was feeling it. I just felt good like the kind of energy you have in the morning after the best night of sleep you've ever had, not really stimmed but very very oddly energetic. My time between sets dropped dramatically as I just needed to keep going but my strength didn't seem impacted. I was stronger, faster and more controlled with my lifts then I've been in a long time and this is a guy whose dosed upwards of 100mg 1,3 dimeth before training. In fact that was a few days ago...I don't know whats in Craze but I feel like it should be illegal.


brb mainlining Craze
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Mixed signals, brochatcho. Do you mean it came on subtly or didn't come on at all?
 
bdcc said:
We both have a fat loss supplement and an AI. We have no direct testosterone booster or pre workout product and they have no natural anabolic supplement. The similarities aren't that strong seeing as a lot of companies have aromatase inhibitors and fat loss products. :)
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Yet. :D
 
Robboe said:
Mixed signals, brochatcho. Do you mean it came on subtly or didn't come on at all?
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Very subtly, I loved it. Normally one second I'm ok or lethargic then seconds later I'm wired, with Craze it was more of like a steady build up to a really intense clean energy. I was trying not to placebo myself and say oh maybe I'm feeling it now, or maybe now...but just at one point I knew, I was feeling it.
 
^^ same feeling.

2nd workout = even better

Want to try for a week then will write thorough review. Just easy to throw feedback in this thread for now lol
 
Had 1 heaping scoop today, gonna try 2 tomorrow.

The focus is absolutely fantastic and the energy is solid. I got a few nagging side effects (persistent cramping, tons of sweating/dehydration, pressure/pain in my head, gassiness) but nothing that stopped my workout short; in fact, i completed it in record time. I'm hoping tomorrow is a little better from the side effect perspective.
 
BTW I was only filling it to the line for 2 scoops and its apparently to the full scoop for a serving. I'm very excited for squats tomorrow :D
 
Grambo said:
I meant in a positive way :) definitely made me have a good mood.....and could just be first dose is the best but after lifting I went crazy organizing papers I'd put off for months plus laundry and finished a book I'd been reading off and on for awhile. My appetite was pretty crushed too.
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Jeeeeepers, I dont even know where to start. First PWO EVER I have gone straight to full dose and It's been too strong. Iv'e had it all. And I mean leagal and illegal (unfortunately) This stuff is ridiculous. Will say, it took a long time to kick in. I was thinking meh It's ok, then next minute BOOM, wired beyond belief. WTF is in this? I cant believe I'm saying this but Im gonna down the dose to 1 1/2. Craze is the real deal clearly. But, like you grambo, the real test in in mutiple uses. but first impressions blew my dome clean apart. And that's hard to do...
 
Agreed, I felt it a bit too much last night. I may back it to 1.5 as well. I waited longer before I went today and synced perfectly with it rising as I warmed up. I have had almost no motivation lately and last two workouts have been best in several months
 
Even on an Empty stomach she's a real slow kick in time hey? Anyone reading this take note - Add a good 20 min to your usual PWO kick in time. Even on an empty stomach. :D
 
Eventually you of you guys will be using two scoops, but if it's your first time with Craze then just use one scoop to assess your tolerance to it. Craze is unless anything you'll have ever used before, so don't think that just because you handle 1,3 or ephedrine well that you'll cruise into 2 scoops frm the start.
 
Around how many hours does the stim/energy portion last? I lift around 5 in the evening and wonder how it impact my sleep (which I normally have problems with anyway).
 
2 scoops kept me up for awhile. Maybe 1 would be okay.
It's not a stim effect as usual but more still alert. I have trouble shutting down normally so it was hard for me to tell but I think it did keep me up a little more than normal.

This will be individualistic though hard to say how one reacts.

I don't ever have too bad a crash from preworkouts but this one just keeps me feeling like I want to productive after a long workout...after 8-5 class. Not bad.
 
Grambo said:
2 scoops kept me up for awhile. Maybe 1 would be okay.
It's not a stim effect as usual but more still alert. I have trouble shutting down normally so it was hard for me to tell but I think it did keep me up a little more than normal.

This will be individualistic though hard to say how one reacts.

I don't ever have too bad a crash from preworkouts but this one just keeps me feeling like I want to productive after a long workout...after 8-5 class. Not bad.
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Loving the feedback so far! Thanks for posting everyone!!
 
Not bad for a Pommy company :D. I got the Aussie lads shelling out for craze, they've seen me all wired at the gym and want in. Now if an accomodating MoD would just rectify my heading fopah.....
 
I bought a couple tubs during the Nutraplanet presale. I tried a heaping scoop the other day and didn't feel much. Yesterday I tried a scoop and a half and still not much. My heart rate was definitely elevated, but that was about it. I guess I will try 2 scoops next and see how it goes. Do I need to be drinking this on an empty stomach? I like to have a bar with some carbs in it pre-workout, so could that be altering absorption?
 
I've had great results with Craze so far. I'm taking it 45 mins as Robboe suggested. I hit 3 PRs Yesterday on 3 different lifts.
 
Scuba Steveo said:
I bought a couple tubs during the Nutraplanet presale. I tried a heaping scoop the other day and didn't feel much. Yesterday I tried a scoop and a half and still not much. My heart rate was definitely elevated, but that was about it. I guess I will try 2 scoops next and see how it goes. Do I need to be drinking this on an empty stomach? I like to have a bar with some carbs in it pre-workout, so could that be altering absorption?
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I've noticed it takes much longer to kick in compared to other preworkouts. Try to dose an hour before as others have suggested.
 
Scuba Steveo said:
I bought a couple tubs during the Nutraplanet presale. I tried a heaping scoop the other day and didn't feel much. Yesterday I tried a scoop and a half and still not much. My heart rate was definitely elevated, but that was about it. I guess I will try 2 scoops next and see how it goes. Do I need to be drinking this on an empty stomach? I like to have a bar with some carbs in it pre-workout, so could that be altering absorption?
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I'd say at least an hour after any food would be best.
 
flightposite said:
I've noticed it takes much longer to kick in compared to other preworkouts. Try to dose an hour before as others have suggested.
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I'd thought of that, but the thing is it's not like I can feel it kick in halfway through or towards the end of my workout. So, I'm not sure if downing it earlier would help.

Big_Tom(tk) said:
I'd say at least an hour after any food would be best.
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Hmm, that's unfortunate. I'm doing the leangains style IF, and it just works out best to have a little something on the way to the gym. I've been getting great results, so I'd rather not mess with the formula. I'm going to try 2 scoops today and see how it goes.
 
Scuba Steveo said:
I'd thought of that, but the thing is it's not like I can feel it kick in halfway through or towards the end of my workout. So, I'm not sure if downing it earlier would help.



Hmm, that's unfortunate. I'm doing the leangains style IF, and it just works out best to have a little something on the way to the gym. I've been getting great results, so I'd rather not mess with the formula. I'm going to try 2 scoops today and see how it goes.
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Dam man, If two scoops of this stuff doesn't rock your socks, you may be un-stimmable! It's absolutely awesome. I top PR's every workout on this crazy stuff....
 
Robboe said:
I take Craze between 5-5:30pm and train around 35-45 mins after taking. I have no problem getting to sleep by 11-11:30pm.
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Great lead in to my experience.

Just got my tubs, and on Monday I took two scoops around 5:15pm. I didn't fall asleep until sometime after 1:30-2:15am. I woke up to do my morning cardio and get to work at 5am, and then had my leg day tuesday evening, and I still wasn't tired even though I hardly slept. I don't know why it hit me so hard. The first time I tried it I took it at noon, and slept no problem.
 
Scuba Steveo said:
I bought a couple tubs during the Nutraplanet presale. I tried a heaping scoop the other day and didn't feel much. Yesterday I tried a scoop and a half and still not much. My heart rate was definitely elevated, but that was about it. I guess I will try 2 scoops next and see how it goes. Do I need to be drinking this on an empty stomach? I like to have a bar with some carbs in it pre-workout, so could that be altering absorption?
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How big are you?

BTW I thought LG was just 10g BCAA prior to training?
 
I used to take Jack3d and was getting used to the stim. I took few weeks off stims then started Craze at 1 scoop. It is working great for me so far. I would rather cycle it than keep bumping te dose, but tat is a personal preference. I take it around 4:30-5:00 and I can sleep by 11:30-12:30. Working from home gives me the luxury to wake up whenever I like.
 
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