Starting TRT today

[kisaj]

Just don't get caught up in chasing numbers, some doctors are more focused on this than actually addressing symptoms and how their patients feel. More is not better in most cases and keep in mind that exogenous test increases androgen sensitivity and neurotransmitter release, so comparing numbers that are natural vs TRT are not apples to apples. My point is, everyone is different so don't worry about getting as high as you can.

 

[lionking999]

Just don't get caught up in chasing numbers, some doctors are more focused on this than actually addressing symptoms and how their patients feel. More is not better in most cases and keep in mind that exogenous test increases androgen sensitivity and neurotransmitter release, so comparing numbers that are natural vs TRT are not apples to apples. My point is, everyone is different so don't worry about getting as high as you can.

I didn’t think about it this way. just did my first 150 dose last night so I will let this ride to see how I feel. But I agree I’d much rather feel better than worry about the numbers. Let’s find out!

 

[lionking999]

***LIBIDO HAS ENTERED CHAT

 

[Mikereyn513]

***LIBIDO HAS ENTERED CHAT

I knew it was just a matter of time

 

[cruze1911r1]

***LIBIDO HAS ENTERED CHAT

I'm sure the wife is thrilled!

 

[lionking999]

I'm sure the wife is thrilled!

no wife no girlfriend. ready to rock and roll

 

[Mikereyn513]

no wife no girlfriend. ready to rock and roll

I'm in the same boat. You know it gets bad when you start looking at women at work or the gym that you would've never looked ar before

 

[lionking999]

I'm in the same boat. You know it gets bad when you start looking at women at work or the gym that you would've never looked ar before

Exactly. I feel like I’m in high school getting those random boners. I see where some may find it as an annoyance. But it damn sure is nice having that back after a couple years not having it

 

[lionking999]

After my next bloods, in two months, I want to run 600-900mg epiandro and trueshred (7keto dhea and arimistane) for two months.

Since I have to do labs every three months will that raise any flags with my dr when it’s time to do bloods?

 

[manbeast1]

no wife no girlfriend. ready to rock and roll

I was happy even though libido wasn’t an issue but I have two wives technically and they were thrilled with the extra firmness that returned lmao

 

[manbeast1]

Exactly. I feel like I’m in high school getting those random boners. I see where some may find it as an annoyance. But it damn sure is nice having that back after a couple years not having it

I’m on Anavar now too and I seem to have an even more pronounced sex drive

 

[manbeast1]

After my next bloods, in two months, I want to run 600-900mg epiandro and trueshred (7keto dhea and arimistane) for two months.

Since I have to do labs every three months will that raise any flags with my dr when it’s time to do bloods?

Depends on how cool your doc is

 

[lionking999]

Depends on how cool your doc is

Guess I’ll really find out when I run rad or dmz lol

 

[lionking999]

but what I mean is, is a month off before bloods enough time for things to be back close to normal range?

 

[manbeast1]

Guess I’ll really find out when I run rad or dmz lol

Rad won’t really set off any alarms and DMZ shouldn’t either I’m taking 250mg a week 50mg higher than my trt dose. And Anavar which is strong as hell my doc is good with it but I feel fine no issues side effect wise last bloodwork test was above 1500 e2 around 40 I feel great now the Anavar to free up that sbgh and add that extra push. I guess we will see. Also remember it takes a good 3 months to get a full stable amout of test and for your blood to level out and sit where you want. Biggest thing is focus on how you feel and are you getting any weird sides .

 

[lionking999]

quick update to anyone that cares. still at 150/week. my libido has disappeared again. it was high for a week then went away.

also my doc asked me in the beginning if I wanted to have kids in the future. I said no. He asked if shrinkage would bother me I said it wouldn’t. but to be honest I am slightly bothered by shrinkage/load size. Is it too late for hcg or should I ask about it

 

[Hyde]

It will probably bring things up some but it’s going to add further estrogen burden. I would not continue to use it if you find it requires you also add an AI.

 

[Dustin07]

quick update to anyone that cares. still at 150/week. my libido has disappeared again. it was high for a week then went away.

also my doc asked me in the beginning if I wanted to have kids in the future. I said no. He asked if shrinkage would bother me I said it wouldn’t. but to be honest I am slightly bothered by shrinkage/load size. Is it too late for hcg or should I ask about it

There is a thread on here about orchic extract. No idea if it would assist but I've seen a lot of natty guys report a huge difference from it (including liver kings mofo product). My buddy says when he uses ZMA he gets blue balls. I haven't experienced that from ZMA but the orchic extract and mofo had an immediate effect on me

 

[lionking999]

There is a thread on here about orchic extract. No idea if it would assist but I've seen a lot of natty guys report a huge difference from it (including liver kings mofo product). My buddy says when he uses ZMA he gets blue balls. I haven't experienced that from ZMA but the orchic extract and mofo had an immediate effect on me

Thank you I will look into them right away

 

[Hyde]

There is a thread on here about orchic extract. No idea if it would assist but I've seen a lot of natty guys report a huge difference from it (including liver kings mofo product). My buddy says when he uses ZMA he gets blue balls. I haven't experienced that from ZMA but the orchic extract and mofo had an immediate effect on me

I take extra zinc and magnesium daily. Have for a decade. I can promise you I’m not cumming buckets, nor are the thousands of men that supplement with these essential minerals.

HCG is also very cheap for a low dose, like $30-40 a vial that will last 10 weeks at 500iu weekly. Just sayin’.

 

[Dustin07]

I take extra zinc and magnesium daily. Have for a decade. I can promise you I’m not cumming buckets, nor are the thousands of men that supplement with these essential minerals.

HCG is also very cheap for a low dose, like $30-40 a vial that will last 10 weeks at 500iu weekly. Just sayin’.

I never noticed it on ZMA but I never noticed a dwindling in my shot either until the last few weeks. For all I know it could be mental but I did give the orchic extract a try and in a couple days was ready to audition as peter norths stunt double again

It's been a while since I've been on ZMA but if I'm going to be fasting more I think I'll restock for sleep aid

 

[Hyde]

I never noticed it on ZMA but I never noticed a dwindling in my shot either until the last few weeks. For all I know it could be mental but I did give the orchic extract a try and in a couple days was ready to audition as peter norths stunt double again

It's been a while since I've been on ZMA but if I'm going to be fasting more I think I'll restock for sleep aid

Everyone should supplement with magnesium, virtually everyone. We just don’t get it in our diets with the soil we have now.

Most men looking for optimized muscle growth should be supplementing zinc. For naturals it affects test, and it affects everyone’s immune systems and is a rate-limiter in IGF1 expression. You cannot grow muscle maximally when zinc deficient. And really it’s helpful for most people who don’t eat a lot of red meat.

 

[Mikereyn513]

Everyone should supplement with magnesium, virtually everyone. We just don’t get it in our diets with the soil we have now.

Most men looking for optimized muscle growth should be supplementing zinc. For naturals it affects test, and it affects everyone’s immune systems and is a rate-limiter in IGF1 expression. You cannot grow muscle maximally when zinc deficient. And really it’s helpful for most people who don’t eat a lot of red meat.

Damn @Hyde Now I gotta go out and get some zinc. Would the lozenges be okay atleast it would help with the sugar cravings

 

[Hyde]

Damn @Hyde Now I gotta go out and get some zinc. Would the lozenges be okay atleast it would help with the sugar cravings

Mag, zinc, & D3 (based on bloodwork) are the 3 things I would just about universally recommend people consider. Things that are safe & necessary in certain doses for optimal health.

 

[Mikereyn513]

Mag, zinc, & D3 (based on bloodwork) are the 3 things I would just about universally recommend people consider. Things that are safe & necessary in certain doses for optimal health.

Vigorous Steve always talks about supplemental magnesium and big Paul is adamant about d3 and fish oil

 

[cruze1911r1]

Mag glycinate and aspartate are good

 

[lionking999]

Ok just finished up at the endo. I told him all was good except for libido. He suggested stopping trt to re evaluate my natural levels. I said I’m not doing that.

He said if the test hasn’t fixed my libido by now then test is not the problem. my nipples are also a tad sensitive. Maybe a 1 or 2 on a scale of 10. I asked about checking estrogen levels. He refused and said there is no reason to check estrogen.

Needless to say I won’t be going back to him.

Now my question is what AI would everyone recommend to either buy otc or research company for long term?

 

[sammpedd88]

Ok just finished up at the endo. I told him all was good except for libido. He suggested stopping trt to re evaluate my natural levels. I said I’m not doing that.

He said if the test hasn’t fixed my libido by now then test is not the problem. my nipples are also a tad sensitive. Maybe a 1 or 2 on a scale of 10. I asked about checking estrogen levels. He refused and said there is no reason to check estrogen.

Needless to say I won’t be going back to him.

Now my question is what AI would everyone recommend to either buy otc or research company for long term?

First, find a dr that will thoroughly test your hormones, complete CBC, lipids, DHEA, preg, and D3. You can try OTC things like DIM or Muscle Addiction Eradicate-E. @%1; can answer questions about this product. IMO you don’t want to throw a pharma AI in unless you know for sure your E2 is high and how high. You can crush it in a heart beat and that’s just as bad as being high. But most importantly find another dr.

 

[lionking999]

First, find a dr that will thoroughly test your hormones, complete CBC, lipids, DHEA, preg, and D3. You can try OTC things like DIM or Muscle Addiction Eradicate-E. @%1; can answer questions about this product. IMO you don’t want to throw a pharma AI in unless you know for sure your E2 is high and how high. You can crush it in a heart beat and that’s just as bad as being high. But most importantly find another dr.

I will find another dr. As for now, I have ordered letrone by blr to see if that helps for the time being. Thanks for the response