Starting my Epi PCT...

kansui

kansui

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Starting my PCT today. I am seeing different set ups on here, mostly in regard as to when to add in the natural test boosters, corisol control and if an Ai Is necessary. Mine looks like this at the moment--
Tamoxifen : 20/20/10/10
Lean extreme : 3/3/3/3
Titanium : 0/2/2/2/2
DAA : 0/3g/3g/3g/3G

How does this look? Why do some people say to start test boosters straight away and some suggest to start in week 2... What is best ?
Do I need to add in an AI? if so which one would do the best job and how do I dose?

Also starting up creatine, AAKG, pre workout again.
My PCT setup was taken from my research on tunedsports.com

Thanks for help...
 
kansui said:
Starting my PCT today. I am seeing different set ups on here, mostly in regard as to when to add in the natural test boosters, corisol control and if an Ai Is necessary. Mine looks like this at the moment--
Tamoxifen : 20/20/10/10
Lean extreme : 3/3/3/3
Titanium : 0/2/2/2/2
DAA : 0/3g/3g/3g/3G

How does this look? Why do some people say to start test boosters straight away and some suggest to start in week 2... What is best ?
Do I need to add in an AI? if so which one would do the best job and how do I dose?

Also starting up creatine, AAKG, pre workout again.
My PCT setup was taken from my research on tunedsports.com

Thanks for help...
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Things look pretty good for the most part except that you don't need to start the cortisol blocker (lean xtreme) until week 3 of PCT. The reason for this is that your cortisol levels don't start climbing until later in the PCT and it can also promote weight loss which you don't want when starting PCT. I like to start test boosters on day 1 of PCT, but starting week 2 is fine as long as you are using a SERM for the first week to restart the HPTA. There really isn't any test to free up that first week so test boosters aren't that necessary then anyways.
 
RickRock13 said:
Things look pretty good for the most part except that you don't need tovstart the cortisol blocker (lean xtreme) until week 3 of PCT. The reason for this is that your corrosion levels don't start climbing until later in the PCT and it can also promote weight loss which you don't want when starting PCT. I like to start test boosters on day 1 of PCT, but starting week 2 is fine as long as you are using a SERM for the first week to restart the HPTA. There really isn't any test to free up that first week so test boosters aren't that necessary then anyways.
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Would you recommend adding an AI into my PCT also... Been reading other threads in this section ( which actually answered most of the questions I asked ) and noticed a reference to 'estrogen rebound' with Epi cycles once I finish my SERM. I've seen that Erase Is popular to use... ( any other recommendations for a quality AI supp).... If so how should it be dosed, and which week should I start it?
Going to start DAA week 1, then the titanium week 2.

I'm actually finding PCT time to be as exciting as my time on cycle.. Lol, lots of new stuff to research and learn about.
Just want to do it well and do it right.
Thanks.
 
kansui said:
Would you recommend adding an AI into my PCT also... Been reading other threads in this section ( which actually answered most of the questions I asked ) and noticed a reference to 'estrogen rebound' with Epi cycles once I finish my SERM. I've seen that Erase Is popular to use... ( any other recommendations for a quality AI supp).... If so how should it be dosed, and which week should I start it?
Going to start DAA week 1, then the titanium week 2.

I'm actually finding PCT time to be as exciting as my time on cycle.. Lol, lots of new stuff to research and learn about.
Just want to do it well and do it right.
Thanks.
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An AI would be a good idea to have in PCT and run a good 2-4 weeks after PCT ends. My recommendation would be Formastanozol sold at Mr supps, but something like Erase would work also.

If you decide to go with Formastanozol, then needto10 will give you 10% off ;)

I would start the AI on week 3
 
Just agreeing with the advice Rick has given.

And nice job, OP, on doing the homework to have a solid PCT lined up from the start.
 
MidwestBeast said:
Just agreeing with the advice Rick has given.

And nice job, OP, on doing the homework to have a solid PCT lined up from the start.
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Looks like I am set for PCT... Thanks the explanations regarding my PCT set up.

I did lots of reading and used lots of natural supps before giving PH/DS a go.. I'm even surprised as to how much I know compared to some mates who train.. Even more surprised as to how much I don't know too.
It was clear to me to educate ones self about what your about to get into before posting questions on a forum such as this.
I find the forum helpful to clear up any doubts I have regarding cycles/PCT etc.

Sometime down the track I will probably be looking at stacking PH/DS, which will be a whole new world of knowledge to learn about!! Not yet tho, only done one cycle so far.
 
kansui said:
Looks like I am set for PCT... Thanks the explanations regarding my PCT set up.

I did lots of reading and used lots of natural supps before giving PH/DS a go.. I'm even surprised as to how much I know compared to some mates who train.. Even more surprised as to how much I don't know too.
It was clear to me to educate ones self about what your about to get into before posting questions on a forum such as this.
I find the forum helpful to clear up any doubts I have regarding cycles/PCT etc.

Sometime down the track I will probably be looking at stacking PH/DS, which will be a whole new world of knowledge to learn about!! Not yet tho, only done one cycle so far.
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Great job on doing your research bro. I wish more people would do what you did before jumping in head first to the PH/DS world. If you ever need any more help feel free to PM me, and I would be glad to help you. Good luck with your cycle! ;)
 
Tamoxifen : 20/20/10/10
Lean extreme : 0/2/2/2/2/2/2-----or 2 a day til the bottle runs out, starting wk2
Titanium : 0/2/2/2/2
DAA : 0/3g/3g/3g/3G
ERASE 0/2/2/2/2/2/2-----or 2 a day til the bottle runs out, starting wk2
 
I'd start the DAA the final week of the cycle. If you choose to run an AI, then taper off of it to avoid any rebound.
 
RickRock13 said:
An AI would be a good idea to have in PCT and run a good 2-4 weeks after PCT ends. My recommendation would be Formastanozol sold at Mr supps, but something like Erase would work also.

If you decide to go with Formastanozol, then needto10 will give you 10% off ;)

I would start the AI on week 3
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Just for my knowledge(I have alot to learn) While taking an AI your estrogen levels will drop very low. So when coming off an AI as you suggested to take after a Serm wouldn't that be dangerous and could lead to estro rebounding side effects like gyno? I've heard you always want to taper off your AI slowly and run a serm to make sure there is no rebound.

There shouldnt be any rebound off Epi with a proper PCT / proper serm, correct?

Just testing my knowledge and looking to learn more..
 
RickRock13 said:
Great job on doing your research bro. I wish more people would do what you did before jumping in head first to the PH/DS world. If you ever need any more help feel free to PM me, and I would be glad to help you. Good luck with your cycle! ;)
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Cheers. Have a new question regarding my PCT time. I had no issues at all with joint pain while on cycle.. But now my elbows and wrists are really aching....have felt this before ( while using Novadex XT ).
Is it the tamoxifen that is causing these sides? I'm guessing it's certainly estrogen related. Only other reason I can think if is that I'm not taking as much fish oil as I was on cycle... So will bump that up to see if it makes a difference ( still taking all other support supps).
Wondering how my joints will be once I add in Erase.
Thanks again
 
masonmarin18 said:
Just for my knowledge(I have alot to learn) While taking an AI your estrogen levels will drop very low. So when coming off an AI as you suggested to take after a Serm wouldn't that be dangerous and could lead to estro rebounding side effects like gyno? I've heard you always want to taper off your AI slowly and run a serm to make sure there is no rebound.

There shouldnt be any rebound off Epi with a proper PCT / proper serm, correct?

Just testing my knowledge and looking to learn more..
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Bump this guys post. I'm interested in opinions on this also.

Earlier in the post it was advised to dose erase 2 a day until bottle runs out... I will do this If it's best option. What would be a tapering dose of Erase? If I chose to try that.
Thanks.
 
Never heard of erase.. But like Rick said he has gaven me some good advice, formestane is a good ai you could add to your pct and its cheap! Tapering off of it will help prevent estro rebound.
 
Yes any time you run an AI in PCT it is best to taper down and off of it.
 
kansui said:
Cheers. Have a new question regarding my PCT time. I had no issues at all with joint pain while on cycle.. But now my elbows and wrists are really aching....have felt this before ( while using Novadex XT ).
Is it the tamoxifen that is causing these sides? I'm guessing it's certainly estrogen related. Only other reason I can think if is that I'm not taking as much fish oil as I was on cycle... So will bump that up to see if it makes a difference ( still taking all other support supps).
Wondering how my joints will be once I add in Erase.
Thanks again
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It sounds like your estrogen is so low it is negatively impacting your joints. Taking extra fish oil will help and adding cissus would be the best. Glucosamine and MSM help a lot also. If joints ate still a problem use a very low dose of Erase (1 cap) to start
 
masonmarin18 said:
Just for my knowledge(I have alot to learn) While taking an AI your estrogen levels will drop very low. So when coming off an AI as you suggested to take after a Serm wouldn't that be dangerous and could lead to estro rebounding side effects like gyno? I've heard you always want to taper off your AI slowly and run a serm to make sure there is no rebound.

There shouldnt be any rebound off Epi with a proper PCT / proper serm, correct?

Just testing my knowledge and looking to learn more..
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You have things a little backwards, when you use a serm serum estrogen levels rise along with test/estrogen. you taper down the amount or dose your using as your body rebuilds it test levels. You begin to take a AI to prevent estrogen and serum estrogen rising too high, creating estrogrn rebound (gyno rebound). an example

Nolva
20/20/10/10
ERASE
00/00/00/3/3/2/2/1----in caps

or

Clomid
50/50/25/25
Forma stanzol
00/00/00/4/6/6/4/4----pumps a day

using something like this dosing will stop any estrogen rebound from happening or preventing any extra or above normal estrogen floating around. because once you stop using the serm you will have something to control estrogen.
 
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