Solo Longjack supp?

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Was a big fan of OL lj100, looking for something to fill void. Any solo lj and effective out there? Doesn't have to be branded or licensed extract, just effective. Thank you.
 
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Long jack doesn't do squat for testosterone.

Eurycoma Longifolia Jack (Longjack, Tongkat Ali, Malaysian Ginseng) is the other testosterone booster with mixed results. It seems effective to increase testosterone in a model of testicular damage or suppressed testosterone levels (which is a common mechanisms to be honest, a lot of herbs do this) but has not been shown to increase testosterone levels beyond that. Many studies claim it does in their introductions, where they cite Dr.Tambi and his numerous presentations and conferences where these results are apparently seen. These studies cannot be accessed online (bad) and there is no current literature supporting these claims (also bad), although Dr.Tambi does not appear to be involved in any Eurycoma patents and a conflict of interest cannot be proven (good).

That being said, some preliminary and not overtly biased research suggests Eurycoma's main bioactive (Eurycomanone) can be anti-estrogenic with a potency similar to Tamoxifen, which is sort of like Maca's claim to outperform finasteride in that it is a very incredible claim. These findings need to be replicated in a living model, but they are promising.
Also, examine shows that there are absolutely no studies on long jack and the only claim that increases testosterone are found in patents for the supplement.



But it can increase your libido. If you want to give a good libido boosting supplement a try, I would try NOW TestoJack 200. It has tons of libido boosting, energy and potentially testosterone raising supplements and it's a good price for what all you're getting.

 
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Check out Nootropics Depot.
Long jack doesn't do squat for testosterone.
Just a heads up you are doing that thing again. He didn't even mention what he wanted it for, he literally just asked for a standardized extract like something he used in the past, he could do without a lecture unless asked for.

He didn't ask for a libido booster or a blend of ingredients, there are plenty (probably better) options for LJ/Tongkat out there for that purposes if that is what he wanted to choose from anyways. Individual standardized extracts are much harder to come by and the Nootropics Depot recommendation is about as good as you'll get for what he wants.
 
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Check out Nootropics Depot.


Just a heads up you are doing that thing again. He didn't even mention what he wanted it for, he literally just asked for a standardized extract like something he used in the past, he could do without a lecture unless asked for.

He didn't ask for a libido booster or a blend of ingredients, there are plenty (probably better) options for LJ/Tongkat out there for that purposes if that is what he wanted to choose from anyways. Individual standardized extracts are much harder to come by and the Nootropics Depot recommendation is about as good as you'll get for what he wants.
I'm just explaining to OP that whatever reason he's wanting to take Long Jack for, it's a worthless supplement (for all intents and purposes) and that he should save his money and spend it on something that actually works for whatever application he wanted to use it for.
 
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I'm just explaining to OP that whatever reason he's wanting to take Long Jack for, it's a worthless supplement (for all intents and purposes) and that he should save his money and spend it on something that actually works for whatever application he wanted to use it for.
Yet you suggested a product you like that does use Longjack. Ok bud, I am just trying to help out and keep things on track, maybe OP can still use the resources though.
 
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Boron and Eurycoma Extract
 
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Boron and Eurycoma Extract
Could you share what Eurycoma Extract is in Viron, like 100:1/LJ100 or 200:1, or any other extract?
 
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Long jack doesn't do squat for testosterone.



Also, examine shows that there are absolutely no studies on long jack and the only claim that increases testosterone are found in patents for the supplement.



But it can increase your libido. If you want to give a good libido boosting supplement a try, I would try NOW TestoJack 200. It has tons of libido boosting, energy and potentially testosterone raising supplements and it's a good price for what all you're getting.

I know you hate studies done by the manufacturer, by LJ100 has a lot of literature supporting its efficacy. To try to prevent us going around and around in circles, yes, they’re done by the manufacturer, no, that doesn’t mean they’re necessarily invalid.
 
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I know you hate studies done by the manufacturer, by LJ100 has a lot of literature supporting its efficacy. To try to prevent us going around and around in circles, yes, they’re done by the manufacturer, no, that doesn’t mean they’re necessarily invalid.

Also your product link is from ShareASale. I feel like sharing affiliate marketing links is disingenuous, if that is what you’re doing.
I don't necessarily hate studies done by the mfg or patent holder or whatever, I just think you have to take them with a grain of salt. I'd like to see them if you want to share them.

I removed the Shareasale link since you complained about it. I don't want to cause any friction while trying to argue two sides of the same coin. I just thought that if OP really wanted some LJ, NOW is a very legit company and they only source from legit suppliers and test all of their ingredients to make sure they're thoroughly pure and uncontaminated.
 
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I don't necessarily hate studies done by the mfg or patent holder or whatever, I just think you have to take them with a grain of salt. I'd like to see them if you want to share them.

I removed the Shareasale link since you complained about it. I don't want to cause any friction while trying to argue two sides of the same coin. I just thought that if OP really wanted some LJ, NOW is a very legit company and they only source from legit suppliers and test all of their ingredients to make sure they're thoroughly pure and uncontaminated.
Nootropics depot quality blows NOW out of the water. Do some research bud lol
 
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Nootropics depot quality blows NOW out of the water. Do some research bud lol
never used the nootropics depot lj before, but i found the now testojack for cheap and tried it out-it was 1st and last time i will waste my money. i use a lot of 'test boosters' and i really like them for how they make me feel-but testojack was/is crap...
 
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Nootropics depot quality blows NOW out of the water. Do some research bud lol
Dude, NOW Foods is a HUGE company that makes thousands of different supplements. They were GMP before that was even required and they batch test ALL their ingredients for purity and potency before they go into their formulas. I don't know how you would even know that Nootropics Depot isn't just one guy in his kitchen making supplements with a tablet press.


That being said, I still think Nootropics Depot is a great company, but NOW is just a huge supplement manufacturer on an industrial scale and all their supplements are of the highest quality possible.
 
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Dude, NOW Foods is a HUGE company that makes thousands of different supplements. They were GMP before that was even required and they batch test ALL their ingredients for purity and potency before they go into their formulas. I don't know how you would even know that Nootropics Depot isn't just one guy in his kitchen making supplements with a tablet press.


That being said, I still think Nootropics Depot is a great company, but NOW is just a huge supplement manufacturer on an industrial scale and all their supplements are of the highest quality possible.
i have used a shitload of test boosters and i'm going to tell you that i like many now brand products, but testojack is crap!!!
 
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i have used a shitload of test boosters and i'm going to tell you that i like many now brand products, but testojack is crap!!!
I mean, all test boosters are crap. There's no natural supplement that has been shown to boost testosterone levels significantly, except in very rare populations of people. But, I was recommending TestoJack as a libido enhancer, not a test booster. Because there's essentially nothing on the market you can buy that's going to boost your testosterone that's a vitamin, mineral or herb (at least to a significant degree that it would lead to muscle growth - all these supplements are going to do is have a libido increase). That's why you see so many "test booster" supplements that the FDA has caught being spiked with Viagra or Cialis. Pretty much if you walk into any gas station and buy one of those "test boosters" they sell in little packets of a couple pills, you're guaranteed to get something that's spiked with Viagra or Cialis.
 
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I mean, all test boosters are crap. There's no natural supplement that has been shown to boost testosterone levels significantly, except in very rare populations of people. But, I was recommending TestoJack as a libido enhancer, not a test booster. Because there's essentially nothing on the market you can buy that's going to boost your testosterone that's a vitamin, mineral or herb (at least to a significant degree that it would lead to muscle growth - all these supplements are going to do is have a libido increase). That's why you see so many "test booster" supplements that the FDA has caught being spiked with Viagra or Cialis. Pretty much if you walk into any gas station and buy one of those "test boosters" they sell in little packets of a couple pills, you're guaranteed to get something that's spiked with Viagra or Cialis.
i am on trt...i don't use 'test boosters' to increase test....i said in previous post i like how they make me 'feel', including increased libido...

now, i repeat testojack is crap. one of the worst test boosters i have had the misfortune to waste money on.
 

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i am on trt...i don't use 'test boosters' to increase test....i said in previous post i like how they make me 'feel', including increased libido...

now, i repeat testojack is crap. one of the worst test boosters i have had the misfortune to waste money on.
I understand and respect your opinion. I'm not defending testojack so much as NOW as a company. Not all of their blends are going to be perfect, but I know when I buy something from NOW it's got what it says it's got on the label.

What exactly do you feel from test boosters aside from the libido boost and what do you think it's doing? A lot of the ingredients could also be labeled as 'adaptogens' which is sort of a catchall term for something that's supposed to reduce adrenal fatigue and maybe give you a little natural stimulation. Maca root is a very good example of this. A lot of people say maca root helps them feel better and more energized (although science doesn't really support this).

Maybe because (according to MYASD), it doesn't have any eurycomanone ( https://www.reddit.com/r/NootropicsDepot/comments/hsty35/_/fyti3v9 ). Sorry, couldn't find the previous post where he specifically laid out all the brands that he tested (and the results) in a clean format.
That is a possibility. Testojack is just using plain jane Long Jack in it - not an extract. If someone is using a super high potent extract then you might 'feel' something more with it. But, for example, if NOW added that to TestoJack, it would raise the price of the product significantly because they would be using something that had to be grown in perfect conditions, used a super expensive method to extract the raw material to get whatever's in it that makes it more potent - the active ingredients. Like for example, you can take plain Valerian root as sleep aid, but you have to take a lot of it to get the active ingredients that work to put you to sleep. But, you can buy a Valerian root EXTRACT that has the valerenic acid (in this example) which binds to the GABA receptors.

So, that could be one issue. But, again, that's going to be a lot more expensive if you're getting a super high potent extract with a bunch more of the active ingredient in it.
 

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Thank you, sounds like nootropics for a try. I enjoy the feel good, recovery, energy, and libido boost.
 
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I buy a bulk powder Longjack product from Hard Rhino (I think they also use the name HR Supplements). It is not the trademarked extract. I have purchased a lot of bulk powder through them and have been very pleased (for a long time).

I've not purchased Longjack through Nootropics Depot, but I have purchased their Ashwagandha extract and was impressed.
 

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Only one I foud worked was Universal n1t and a random uk supplier Woods Health Tongkat ali, it was pretty potent actually.

Some people just like being 'on' it like other ginsengs, some calm ,some give warmth, some give you crazy libido (too strong)... so they all have an effect if good quality - rare in this world of legal herbs and roots.
 
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Guys, don't misunderstand. I order stuff from Nootropics Depot all the time. Their Lemon Balm 10:1 is great for sleep and their 250mg phenibut caps just about knock me out themselves, but it's not something you want to use daily because you'll start getting a tolerance.

I'm just saying NOW makes every vitamin, herb and every amino acid from A-Z, so their industrial capacity is just massive compared to anyone else. I mean, not everything they make is some genius formula, but you'll absolutely be buying what it says on the label and you'll know its pure and quality stuff.
 

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Nootropics depot Tongkat Ali 2% or 10% eurycomanone.

2% is potent, haven’t tried the 10%. If you respond well to long jack, either one should be top notch

I think that lj100 comes in at 0.8% eurycomanone so both of these are considerably more potent.
You taking 1 or 2 a day of 2%? Any comparison to LJ100?
 

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I'm just explaining to OP that whatever reason he's wanting to take Long Jack for, it's a worthless supplement (for all intents and purposes) and that he should save his money and spend it on something that actually works for whatever application he wanted to use it for.
See, again you are wrong in your approach. You are stating this as though it is fact, but it is far from a worthless supplement and in reality can and does increase free test. I am on TRT and it works significantly well in this regard and even without labs, gives a great mood and energy boost. Nice of you to care about his money though.
 

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Nootropics depot Tongkat Ali 2% or 10% eurycomanone.

2% is potent, haven’t tried the 10%. If you respond well to long jack, either one should be top notch

I think that lj100 comes in at 0.8% eurycomanone so both of these are considerably more potent.
I've used both the 2% and 10% and I like the 2% better because it gives the boost of energy, nice confident feeling, and libido is great. The 10% made me a little wired and agitated. I've been taking TA for a long time and the 10% is the strongest stuff I have used, but a little too much.
 

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I've used both the 2% and 10% and I like the 2% better because it gives the boost of energy, nice confident feeling, and libido is great. The 10% made me a little wired and agitated. I've been taking TA for a long time and the 10% is the strongest stuff I have used, but a little too much.
How many 2% pills a day?
 

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Generally two, one early when I am getting up around 5:30, and by 7 I am buzzing around the the house. I'll take another around 12:30-1 to carry me through the afternoon lag. If I miss 1ish, I skip it because I find anything mid-afternoon or later causes me some fierce insomnia.
 
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Anyone know is Eurycoma is stimulating, and can keep someone up at night?
 
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Nootropics depot Tongkat Ali 2% or 10% eurycomanone.

2% is potent, haven’t tried the 10%. If you respond well to long jack, either one should be top notch

I think that lj100 comes in at 0.8% eurycomanone so both of these are considerably more potent.
I'm taking the 10% Tongkat from Nootropics at the moment. What I noticed most is increased ejaculate but that's about it.
 

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Anyone know is Eurycoma is stimulating, and can keep someone up at night?
Some people find that it does stimulate them so if it does then take your 2nd dose early in the day
usually no later then 2 PM but as with all herbals they effect everyone differently.
 
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See, again you are wrong in your approach. You are stating this as though it is fact, but it is far from a worthless supplement and in reality can and does increase free test. I am on TRT and it works significantly well in this regard and even without labs, gives a great mood and energy boost. Nice of you to care about his money though.
I can understand if people want to take it for it's adaptogen effects or that it makes them feel better or increases libido. But, show me a legitimate study in humans where it has been shown to increase free testosterone. You can see quite clearly from all the studies on examine.com that the only information about tongkat ali increasing testosterone comes in the patent of the compound, which is not something the patent office verifies.

 
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I can understand if people want to take it for it's adaptogen effects or that it makes them feel better or increases libido. But, show me a legitimate study in humans where it has been shown to increase free testosterone. You can see quite clearly from all the studies on examine.com that the only information about tongkat ali increasing testosterone comes in the patent of the compound, which is not something the patent office verifies.

if you don't want to use it then don't, but as you have seen many people enjoy it's effects-myself included although if given a choice if just one i would go with fadogia, but m-test has both so i'm good!!!
 
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stopping in to say....

•testojack is garbage
•OL LJ100 gave me a great libido boost
•Nutrex Tested (also LJ100) didn’t do sh!t
•I need to try Nootropics Depot asap!!
 

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ND 10% extract blows out of the water all the other extracts. I used Tonvara's one, supplement place 3% extract, ND 2% and the 10% one is more powerfull.
 

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ND 10% extract blows out of the water all the other extracts. I used Tonvara's one, supplement place 3% extract, ND 2% and the 10% one is more powerfull.
How many pills of the ND 10% were you taking? and how many of Tonvara's did you take when you tried that?
 

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i ordered some ND 2%. hope i don’t regret it.
Definitely looking forward to your feedback on it and I'm a big fan of TongKat Ali so I do
plan on picking up probably both versions of ND TKA and Barlowes TKA and try them out
and of course review them here in this forum but that won't be til much later in the year and
sometime next year cause I have other herbals on hand I need to use. I just finished a 12 week
run with M-TEST.
 
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Definitely looking forward to your feedback on it and I'm a big fan of TongKat Ali so I do
plan on picking up probably both versions of ND TKA and Barlowes TKA and try them out
and of course review them here in this forum but that won't be til much later in the year and
sometime next year cause I have other herbals on hand I need to use. I just finished a 12 week
run with M-TEST.
likewise for your feedback. unfortunately, mtest provided very little noticeable effects for me. it’s a fantastic formula but just didn’t work.
 
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Generally two, one early when I am getting up around 5:30, and by 7 I am buzzing around the the house. I'll take another around 12:30-1 to carry me through the afternoon lag. If I miss 1ish, I skip it because I find anything mid-afternoon or later causes me some fierce insomnia.
how long before you started noticing effects??
 
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ND 10% extract blows out of the water all the other extracts. I used Tonvara's one, supplement place 3% extract, ND 2% and the 10% one is more powerfull.
I've been taking 2-3 tablets daily of the ND 10% Longjack for the past week. It has had a pronounced effect on increasing libido for me. I've basically worn out the front of some of my dress pants because I am constantly rubbing myself while at my desk. That may be too soon to see the full benefits of this supplement. I am also taking boron and zinc.
 
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i received the 2% and have been taking 2 a day. some increase in libido. not much. can i take 5 pills to equal the 10%? or does it not work that way?
 

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2% extract 200mg capsule > 4mg eurycomanone

10% extract 100mg capsule > 10mg eurycomanone

This is the gold ingredient for T. But there are other components in the herb that are important too.
 
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i received the 2% and have been taking 2 a day. some increase in libido. not much. can i take 5 pills to equal the 10%? or does it not work that way?
I think it's the same. You multiply the percentage by the number of mgs. You have to take 5x as much of the 2% (assuming the pills sizes are the same).
 
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Ok, just ordered a bottle of 10% from ND. 120 caps. Probably do 2 or 3 a day. Let's see what this is all about.
 

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I've been taking 2-3 tablets daily of the ND 10% Longjack for the past week. It has had a pronounced effect on increasing libido for me. I've basically worn out the front of some of my dress pants because I am constantly rubbing myself while at my desk. That may be too soon to see the full benefits of this supplement. I am also taking boron and zinc.
Very powerfull extract.
 
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2% extract 200mg capsule > 4mg eurycomanone

10% extract 100mg capsule > 10mg eurycomanone

This is the gold ingredient for T. But there are other components in the herb that are important too.
ok, so 5 caps of 2% is equal to 2 caps of 10%. thank you.
 
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So do we know if Longjack can raise free-test at all? Or has that been debunked.
 
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