gamer2be08
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I have heard formestane does little at raising testosterone levels, just what I have read...
So I'm not going with a SERM-heres' why.
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I have heard formestane does little at raising testosterone levels, just what I have read...
Moeller
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How do you know if you actually recovered if you don't even know your starting T levels?
:alcoholic:
GeekPoop
Well-known member
so what are you compairing your post cycle blood work to? your posts get dumber and dumber
ditto
Lulz!!
curious as to his response
luclyluciano
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I certainly am not a Doctor or a biologist but I'd like to know wher you heard this because I have heard 100% the opposite. Form reduces Estrogen. A percentage of Test converts to estrogen so when the body senses reduced estrogen it produces more Test to compensate. Formestane controls and educes the estrogen therefore indirectly increasing Test production. This is what I know. Feel free to correct me.
Texan281
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I'm still LMFAO @ the "puppy nipples" typo in the OP.
Can you even call it a typo? lol the "p" and the "f" aren't even close lol lol
"I had puppy nipples" lol literally the stupiest comment i've ever read
And I ran a cycle of P-Mag w/o a SERM. Looking back with all the $$$ spent on PCT there is really no reason to not get a SERM. It was actually more expensive with an OTC PCT. And for you people talking about running Formestane for PCT, you run the form @ 200/200/100/100 and you're looking at $60 at least and I've seen Nolva on some websites enough for a few PCT's at $50.
Can you even call it a typo? lol the "p" and the "f" aren't even close lol lol
"I had puppy nipples" lol literally the stupiest comment i've ever read
And I ran a cycle of P-Mag w/o a SERM. Looking back with all the $$$ spent on PCT there is really no reason to not get a SERM. It was actually more expensive with an OTC PCT. And for you people talking about running Formestane for PCT, you run the form @ 200/200/100/100 and you're looking at $60 at least and I've seen Nolva on some websites enough for a few PCT's at $50.
drumm3r9
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Gentlemen,
Here we have the reason as to why so many people in society believe steroids completely destroy our bodies to the point of no return. People run these compounds and play Russian Roulette with their bodies. Some win and most lose. If people ran cycles after research on everything needed there wouldn't be such a huge cluster **** of people screaming about roids.
I bet its people like this that run a 12 week deca only cycle with no test base and some inhibit-e for pct.
puppy nipples rock.
Here we have the reason as to why so many people in society believe steroids completely destroy our bodies to the point of no return. People run these compounds and play Russian Roulette with their bodies. Some win and most lose. If people ran cycles after research on everything needed there wouldn't be such a huge cluster **** of people screaming about roids.
I bet its people like this that run a 12 week deca only cycle with no test base and some inhibit-e for pct.
puppy nipples rock.
Calikid09
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Haha I don't really care what you guys have to say. I know that my doctor said I was fine. My liver is fine. Only slight trace of protein in my urine nothing else. And my t levels are fine because I'm in the norm range. Idk what they were before but obviously I'm not dying. All my levels were in the norm ranges. So I'm fine. From now on I'll just use those and go by them to try and recover to. That is even if my levels get messed up.
So you guys can keep talkin, it's just going in one ear and out the other.
So you guys can keep talkin, it's just going in one ear and out the other.
gamer2be08
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gamer2be08
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You can be in the "normal" range of test. and it still be low as ****kk!!!
lonewolf0420
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If you don't care what anyone says, then what was the point of this thread?
drumm3r9
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No kidding.:chairfall:
chocolatemilk
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Just let this thread burn out
drumm3r9
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It is poor advisement to back somebody's decision when it can quite possibly screw the individual up for the rest of his life. Just because you are fine (supposedly) doesn't mean that this individual will be. Lets just say for example that you are perfectly fine, you are one of the few in an ocean of many who have taken this road and come out ok. Just as an example, I know a guy from my old high school who roided with no pct. He is now impotent and cannot have children.
People on this forum are not *******s. Alot of us, from what I have gathered, need proof when you make claims such as the one you have. for example, you say your blood work is fine, yet you offer no numbers to prove this. People calling you out on this aren't trying to be *******s they are just experienced and from their experience, your claims are encouraging people to do things that aren't safe in the slightest and the fact that you show no numbers lead everyone to believe that you are just talking out your ass.
I'm curious as to why you thought it was ok to not run a SERM during your cycle? did you know that this decision wasn't very intelligent? you are encouraging people to take unnecessary chances with their hormones. Kids can get on here (20 and younger) and look at this thread. They can say to themselves, "hey I don't need to do proper PCT this guy did it and was fine." They don't understand the science behind any of the SERMS or support supps. They are just going to take your word for it and probably cause irreversible damage.
Don't act like a child and start name calling. Put up numbers or shut up IMO. Not being a **** man just saying.
If any one has any reliable information as to why it would be smart to NOT RUN a SERM I think we would all be interested.:fing02:
Mick81
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This is why people need to be responsible with what they post. Your average 20 yr old has already decided what they want to do (PH/AAS wise) long before they get to this forum, and are only looking for 1 person to say, "I went OTC with my PCT, and I'm fine" to justify doing it themselves.
They'll read 100 threads about the negative effects of a SERMless PCT, but they keep looking until some idiot tells them they'll be fine without it. That's the route they'll take, cause it's easier, and that's what they want to hear.
If you can get your hands on proper PH's or AAS, you sure as sh*t can get your hands on some nolva or clomid.
/rant
:damnit:
luclyluciano
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I think the Brotherhood on SERMS needs to chill out here. SERMS do not make taking roids safe or ok or correct. There are many other potential sides from juicing ans just because you are SERMING it far from makes it safe. If someone is abusing, be it they are too young, too many cycles, to large a dose, too many cycles per year, too many methyls.....well, this simply abuse. But these self righteous claims that because you are SERMING your cycle now you have a right to flame a guy to death is out of hand. Roids are risky and most people will get their test levels back even without a serm or PCT over time. Like it's been stated b4, during the Golden years of bodybuilding they never had a SERMS and didn't even know about PCT. There are plenty of posts on this board of people getting all screwed up after a cycle to scare the hell out of me considering another cycle. Makes me wonder WTF? Plenty of other sides like heart, liver, eye damage, clotting etc. Taking a SERM doesn't make juicing with orals safe but with the FLAMING going on here one would think it does. The dude said he went to the doctor and the doc said his levels are. NORMAL. Normal means normal whether he had panels b4 or not. I am willing to bet he was far more responsible than the majority of flamers here who Go nuts with a research chemical/SERM an never see a doc after a cycle. I just did a search here on Libido and guess what? There are plenty of posts here where members are complaining of no LIBODO, LOW Test after SERMS!? I commend everyone who goes to get checked out by a doc after cycle. Not so sure I could say the same for the SERM brotherhood here. My 2 cents. Now flame away.
GeekPoop
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the enter key is a wonderful thing, just sayin
Calikid09
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Thank you for this man.
You said exactly what iv been trying to say.
I would give you points but I don't have any idea how lol
chocolatemilk
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It wasn't just a SERM issue. Please read everything in the thread before posting.
Cali kid is young.
Cali kid took too large of a dose -45 mg of superdrol- nobody recommends that.
By your standards--any many of ours--he is abusing SD. That is the issue.
What are you thanking him for? He labelled what a steroid abuser is and you fell right into that category.
hardknock
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Someone close this thread please...what is the point of this bickering back and forth between several individuals and one that is OBVIOUSLY not listening to any of you? You all sound like bigger fools than this idiot, trying to convince an idiot of something so idiotic.
Hell, i do not even believe he even post in the thread on this page?
I really do not care what you do with your body, op, but please post the results of the blood work 4 weeks out.
I have been looking for a guinea pig and since scientist cannot do this and REPORT it (key word here being report it) then, you are the 2nd best option.
Hell, i do not even believe he even post in the thread on this page?
I really do not care what you do with your body, op, but please post the results of the blood work 4 weeks out.
I have been looking for a guinea pig and since scientist cannot do this and REPORT it (key word here being report it) then, you are the 2nd best option.
drumm3r9
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I can agree with you on the fact that serms can cause their own list of problems. However, if you weigh the pros and cons of using a serm vs using an otc product, in most cases, the pros outweigh the potential damage from not using one. I have seen doctors pre cycle and post cycle when dealing with methyl's (m-drol) I can grab numbers if you all would like. yes, post cycle, i was still shutdown a bit but I cannot imagine what it would have been like if I would have just stopped and grabbed an otc pct instead.
Yes my liver enzymes were elevated post cycle for obvious reasons but nothing was very alarming when I got blood work after pct with a serm.
I would rather have libido suffer for 1 to 2 months after my cycle than to have the best libido ever and not be able to get it up for a couple years after a test/deca cycle because i didn't use proper pct. If you search around the web you will find cases such as the one I just mentioned.
Calikid09
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Choc
when he said abusers he meant exactly that. People that "abuse"
I am not an abuser, I don't abuse the ph. I took all my cycle support supplements. I've only done ONE cycle. When he said abuser, I think he meant people that are dumb and do 12 weeks of sd and tren, back to back to back, don't do a good pct and "abuse" people that take excessive amounts for excessive periods of time. Sure you can say my 45 mg dosage of sd was "excessive" but apparently not because I didn't get nasty side like everyone swore to the bible that I would. Not one.
So once again,
let the flaming begin because we all know Thats inevitable.
That was my first cycle, an obbviously it wasn't to "excessive" because all of the side effect that you guys claimed I would get at that dosage didn't come.
At all....oh wait I'm sorry. It made me more tired and eat more. Both of which are POSITIVE if you think about it.
When
when he said abusers he meant exactly that. People that "abuse"
I am not an abuser, I don't abuse the ph. I took all my cycle support supplements. I've only done ONE cycle. When he said abuser, I think he meant people that are dumb and do 12 weeks of sd and tren, back to back to back, don't do a good pct and "abuse" people that take excessive amounts for excessive periods of time. Sure you can say my 45 mg dosage of sd was "excessive" but apparently not because I didn't get nasty side like everyone swore to the bible that I would. Not one.
So once again,
let the flaming begin because we all know Thats inevitable.
That was my first cycle, an obbviously it wasn't to "excessive" because all of the side effect that you guys claimed I would get at that dosage didn't come.
At all....oh wait I'm sorry. It made me more tired and eat more. Both of which are POSITIVE if you think about it.
When
chocolatemilk
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Aright cali kid.
One last thing before we all let this thread die:
I know that if you were to run a cycle of testosterone injections and deca, I know for a fact you would get a SERM. Don't lie and say you would use OTC on a test and deca cycle.
My point here is this: you see the seriousness when using injections and I know you WOULD get s SERM if you were injecting testosterone. But you don't see the seriousness in Superdrol.
I have a feeling you think Superdrol is different from Test injections because you bought it from a store or online. I know you are thinking this way because you remind me of me as a kid jumping onto epistane and tren with no PCT (lucky for me I turned out fine--but in my mature and older state--I understand that I dodged a bullet)
Just know that Superdrol is a powerful, potent, active steroid just like injectable testosterone is. I think you get the seriousness of steroids when you're injecting needles into your muscles, just understand Superdrol is no different.
You dodged a bullet bud. You will realize one day how lucky you were when you have a better understanding of these compounds.
I recommend one thing, don't jump onto any more cycles until the day you realize the way you ran your Superdrol cycle was wrong. Then you will truly be ready.
E Z
One last thing before we all let this thread die:
I know that if you were to run a cycle of testosterone injections and deca, I know for a fact you would get a SERM. Don't lie and say you would use OTC on a test and deca cycle.
My point here is this: you see the seriousness when using injections and I know you WOULD get s SERM if you were injecting testosterone. But you don't see the seriousness in Superdrol.
I have a feeling you think Superdrol is different from Test injections because you bought it from a store or online. I know you are thinking this way because you remind me of me as a kid jumping onto epistane and tren with no PCT (lucky for me I turned out fine--but in my mature and older state--I understand that I dodged a bullet)
Just know that Superdrol is a powerful, potent, active steroid just like injectable testosterone is. I think you get the seriousness of steroids when you're injecting needles into your muscles, just understand Superdrol is no different.
You dodged a bullet bud. You will realize one day how lucky you were when you have a better understanding of these compounds.
I recommend one thing, don't jump onto any more cycles until the day you realize the way you ran your Superdrol cycle was wrong. Then you will truly be ready.
E Z
scorp69
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lol, fixed. by saying the most stupid thing you've read is stupid.
scorp69
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Ok, I never said I was anti SERM. 10th day into pct. Am I fine. no way to tell except blood work.
So far, my libido is strong, strength is the same, getting an erection is no problem, testicles are fine.
things I've noticied during cycle and post cylce. no more lethargy, mood swings(mostly morning).
Just want to say my decision for no SERM doesn't justify not/never using one. In the end its your body. Make the best decision you can.
So far, my libido is strong, strength is the same, getting an erection is no problem, testicles are fine.
things I've noticied during cycle and post cylce. no more lethargy, mood swings(mostly morning).
Just want to say my decision for no SERM doesn't justify not/never using one. In the end its your body. Make the best decision you can.
cowboy007
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I might as well chime in...
Im a big fan of OTC PCTs... taken the compound you ran into account. H-drol, P-mag..they get my vote for OTC. Anything above their class, Serm. When I run a cycle, I research the hell out of it. I found guys on boards that ran m1,4add with an OTC, guys who ran H-drol with no PCT at all or just Assist, but didnt find anybody who gave their vote for OTC on SD. Thats just insane. And while the above posters are correct (one or two guys running an OTC dosent make it the "right" or popular choice), it does show it can be done safely. Just as in dosing, the compound needs to be taken into account to design a proper PCT. Most should have SERMs, but some of the lower rung PHs work just as well with an OTC PCT. Hell, in college everybody in the gym ran designer stuff - we ate it like candy - and had no idea what a PCT was. Man, if this board was around then!!
And the cost?? My Pmag OTC - the whole thing - was $55. My Serm for my next cycle is $55 plus $8 shipping alone. So the cost argument isnt even a valid argument. It may have been at one time, but not anymore.
Im a big fan of OTC PCTs... taken the compound you ran into account. H-drol, P-mag..they get my vote for OTC. Anything above their class, Serm. When I run a cycle, I research the hell out of it. I found guys on boards that ran m1,4add with an OTC, guys who ran H-drol with no PCT at all or just Assist, but didnt find anybody who gave their vote for OTC on SD. Thats just insane. And while the above posters are correct (one or two guys running an OTC dosent make it the "right" or popular choice), it does show it can be done safely. Just as in dosing, the compound needs to be taken into account to design a proper PCT. Most should have SERMs, but some of the lower rung PHs work just as well with an OTC PCT. Hell, in college everybody in the gym ran designer stuff - we ate it like candy - and had no idea what a PCT was. Man, if this board was around then!!
And the cost?? My Pmag OTC - the whole thing - was $55. My Serm for my next cycle is $55 plus $8 shipping alone. So the cost argument isnt even a valid argument. It may have been at one time, but not anymore.
scorp69
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cowboy-I think for my next cycle I will do a serm. my libido is good and testicles fell fine, etc. etc. I've been lagging the last two weeks and have dropped down to just under 203. was at 207-208(upon awakening weight). my strength is still there, but i've lost some size. but then again, this past weekend i drank alot and didn't eat much and didn't train for 4 straight days.