JReinhal
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Thank you!
SNS X-GELS? Worth the buy or worthless?
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Thank you!
mr.cooper69
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Also aids fat uptake in the intestine and inhibits thrombotic metabolite formation
Lagartizscha
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So it means it is not recommended to take X gels without LCLT?
Driven2lift
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Coop/others, any thoughts on my initial question? I figured I would try it again today to see if it happens again but this is going to be an off day, woke up this morning to my forearm still slightly numbed and tense. Concerning me.
I should be dosing it correctly, and I was 4 hours fasted, best I can do for my PM workouts. No fish oil since 7 hours prior and to my knowledge that is the only supp I should be spacing from ARA.
Just so exactly what I took is known:
4 caps x-gels
2 scoops high volume
3 g LCLT
3 g beta alanine
300 mg caffeine
8 mg ephedrine
2 g MCC pre, 3 g post
Should I drop something?
Would adding something like taurine help?
Would suck to stop this run I have 2 bottles Xgels, 2 tubs high volume, 200 g LCLT that I just got in for this
I should be dosing it correctly, and I was 4 hours fasted, best I can do for my PM workouts. No fish oil since 7 hours prior and to my knowledge that is the only supp I should be spacing from ARA.
Just so exactly what I took is known:
4 caps x-gels
2 scoops high volume
3 g LCLT
3 g beta alanine
300 mg caffeine
8 mg ephedrine
2 g MCC pre, 3 g post
Should I drop something?
Would adding something like taurine help?
Would suck to stop this run I have 2 bottles Xgels, 2 tubs high volume, 200 g LCLT that I just got in for this
kissdadookie
Well-known member
Sounds like tendonitis developing.
kissdadookie
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I would think so. The magic of MCT oil is that it bypasses breakdown and goes straight to conversion to ketones to be used as energy in the body. MCT's magic mostly lies in the fact that they can be used as a quick energy source much like how simple carbs can have such an effect, and MCT's do not spike insulin (I think). They are not really know for anti-inflammatory benefits (at least I'm not really aware of many for MCTs).
schizm
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No issues man...it's pretty much just omega3's that's recommend to be dosed apart from ArA...as far as fats are concerned..
Spaniard
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Your 3 days in? I would venture to say it's not from the X-Gels at all. However, discontinue use and see if the problem subsides. If it does then bingo but I highly doubt it.
What body part did you workout?
Sorry Coop doesn't talk normal people talk lol. LCLT or Aspirin are both encouraged to take with X-Gels. Reason being that ArA can in the body take different pathways. Taking LCLT or Aspirin (as a cheaper alternative) encourages ArA to travel down the path of benefit... essentially
See above
Driven2lift
Legend
Pain and numbness started during my superset of pullups and dumbbell rows.
Would ALCAR be comparable to LCLT to use in the stack?
Would ALCAR be comparable to LCLT to use in the stack?
doggy_dog
Member
So is the primary purpose of stacking a carnitine with ArA to aid with recovery/DOMS?
I remember reading something about platelet aggregation, but I don't even what the hell that means.
Jiigzz
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So is the primary purpose of stacking a carnitine with ArA to aid with recovery/DOMS?
I remember reading something about platelet aggregation, but I don't even what the hell that means.
In a basic sense it means the clumping of platelets in the blood.
Jiigzz
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I'm with Spaniard on this. ArA takes a while to accumulate so more than likely it is the begginnings of something unrelated, although I suspect that inflammation is involved and ArA may aggravate it. Although I have never experienced sore joints or anything like that whilst using ArA
mr.cooper69
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Sounds like:
1. You slept on your forearm
2. You have an electrolyte imbalance
If it's #2, taurine may help, along with a good water to sodium ratio
tyrub42
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Can't speak for the arthritis, but IBS is actually not an inflammatory bowel disease even though it often gets mistakenly lumped in with them. IBS is thought to be related to a malfunction in the nervous system (if I remember correctly). Although nothing is certain not to aggravate IBS, the inflammatory properties of ArA shouldn't directly affect it (I recommend daily supplementation with soluble fiber, as it is cheap, simple, and the most common effective treatment for IBS).
I am trying to find out now whether or not I could dose cissus and a med dose of fish oil upon waking if I am going to dose ArA in the late afternoon (about 8 hours later) without sacrificing any (or many) of the benefits of ArA. I have had one knee scoped with 33% of medial meniscus removed, and I do BJJ 4-5 times per week, so I always have to watch out for joint stuff. Add to that wear and tear over the years such as multi-level bluging discs in my neck and lower back, surgical decompression in my neck, broken bone in my back, torn labrum in my shoulder, and I am very lucky to be pain free with 100% mobility on a daily basis. I am really excited to try ArA but would be much more comfortable knowing that I could continue with my joint support supplements without an issue. Hopefully it won't be a problem!
Best,
Tyler
Driven2lift
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Did a lot of reading on other possible causes and the electrolyte imbalance was one that fit the bill so to be safe I upped my sodium yesterday as I generally keep it pretty low. Also took super cissus in the morning.
Hard to tell what did the trick or if time fixed the issue but woke up fine today, thanks to all who chimed in for me here, love this forum.
Driven2lift
Legend
To get back to the thread topic I will say that for my 2 workouts without the pain I punished my fair share of iron.
To be fair this could have been from the x-gels or from the high volume, first time using both. The Preworkout mix for this run is a lot less stimmed than my norm but my endurance was up, way up. Recovery between sets was much better, I am barely started the run but already impressed with the stack.
To be fair this could have been from the x-gels or from the high volume, first time using both. The Preworkout mix for this run is a lot less stimmed than my norm but my endurance was up, way up. Recovery between sets was much better, I am barely started the run but already impressed with the stack.
Lagartizscha
New member
Thanks for the reply.
2 weeks ago i stopped my x gels due to an injury, but also noted some crazy zits on my face. WAs really suprised seeing this happening because im already 36 yrs old. I ordered 2 more xgels to stack with with bioforge.
Hope not to see any side effects. I will post the results
mr.cooper69
Legend
IBS is diagnosed based on patient-reported symptoms, so the cause can be virtually anything
Lagartizscha
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TheSwanks
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This^^^^^
Anyone has ?s on this check out my log. Almost a month into pct and hitting prs almost every session.
Spaniard
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That's unheard of man... it's just absurd
Jiigzz
Legend
Beast mode = on. Thats an awesome PCT then lol.
Drenaline31
New member
About 30 days in of using ArA since asking about it in this thread... and now I refuse to ever go off it! Incredible power gains (I felt that was more accurate than max strength). Also I can eat more than before and lose fat!
tyrub42
Well-known member
You are making me very excited for the start of my ArA run! How soon were you able to notice the fat loss (or lack of fat gain)? How soon did you start to see strength gains? How are you dosing? Thanks!
Best,
Tyler
Drenaline31
New member
4 caps or 1g of ArA a day, mostly empty stomach in the morning as part of my fast or pre workout. Strength gains really came through somewhere by week 2. I didn't pay attention to fat loss, until now thinking in retrospect that I have been eating way more than I usually do while cutting, and also my accidental binges in between didn't result in the ugly mess that it usually does.
First strength effect I noticed was that all my lifts started becoming more smooth, less grindy, and I felt less "overwhelmed" by heavy weight. That built confidence and I was able to add 3 reps to my double 30 days approx later. I'm just beginning to taper down to a new 1rm now and I'm expecting great results. The only other supp I'm using is Focus XT.
First strength effect I noticed was that all my lifts started becoming more smooth, less grindy, and I felt less "overwhelmed" by heavy weight. That built confidence and I was able to add 3 reps to my double 30 days approx later. I'm just beginning to taper down to a new 1rm now and I'm expecting great results. The only other supp I'm using is Focus XT.
tyrub42
Well-known member
OK cool thanks! I am still not sure whether to do the standard 4ED or to do a higher dose PWO and a lower dose (or none) on rest days). Have you tried any other supplements that gave you similar results or is this far and away the best you tried yet? I was a super responder to Anabeta so if these can even come close to what Anabeta Elite did for me I will be thrilled!
Best,
Tyler
Drenaline31
New member
This has to be the most profound effect strengthwise I got. But I have not used any other supp in the same category apart from creatine. I never used test boosters or herbal anabolics really, mostly cutting supps like Alphamine, Erase Pro, which btw was awesome.
tyrub42
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Man I was always hesitant to try Erase/EPro because of the joint/libido issues I heard about from some people, but I had my hormones checked and my E2 is actually quite high so I will be trying that too! Did EPro get you stronger at all, or did it mostly just lean you out? P.S. check my Anabeta Elite Log if you want. The before/after pics are a crazy testament to how awesome ABE is! They took a great base supplement and added full doses of two other proven classic compounds, instead of doing the more common practice of adding micro doses of 25 things you've never heard of. PES really does it right!
bolt10
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Thanks for the PES love.
I agree that ArA is awesome stuff. Glad this thread helped you with your use of ArA man.
tyrub42
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Thanks for the PES love.
I agree that ArA is awesome stuff. Glad this thread helped you with your use of ArA man.
You earned it! I haven't even tried half of your products yet...pretty excited for Erase now. It's gonna be a fun year
sideshowdoc
Member
Whats interesting is the act that AA will lead to increased PGE2 production, and PGE2 production is actually what helps the body respond to food with "tolerance", so it should technically be a protective factor against some IBS related symptoms (if associated with food intolerance). THis of course is an acute affect, and any chronic overproduction of PGE2 probably would not do this.
bolt10
Well-known member
You earned it! I haven't even tried half of your products yet...pretty excited for Erase now. It's gonna be a fun year
I'd definitely follow that if you ran another solid log.
tyrub42
Well-known member
I'd definitely follow that if you ran another solid log.
Thanks to NattyD my upcoming XFA log will also feature Anabeta Elite, so please follow that one because even if XFA doesn't work it'll be an amazing log...and I haven't ever heard of XFA not being awesome so this log should be E-P-I-C
!!! I literally had trouble sleeping from excitement.
bolt10
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Thanks to NattyD my upcoming XFA log will also feature Anabeta Elite, so please follow that one because even if XFA doesn't work it'll be an amazing log...and I haven't ever heard of XFA not being awesome so this log should be E-P-I-C
Yes! PM me when it starts if I don't find it right away.
kissdadookie
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So, my run of ArA + ABE + EP is essentially done. I've gained about 5 lbs total. Pretty minimal fat gain going by the mirror. Strength has definitely gone up quite significantly.
Very solid stack, very solid results. Can't wait to run it again in 2 months!
Very solid stack, very solid results. Can't wait to run it again in 2 months!
LiveToLift
Legend
Sounds like some sick natty gains there! Nice work sir, glad to hear the stack worked so well for you.
kissdadookie
Well-known member
It was pretty darn good. On top of that, the first few weeks I was still recovering from forearm tendonitis! LoL, there's still some remnants of the tendonitis but at least I can do bicep curls like a normal person again, though my ring finger on my left hand still aches and locks when I make a fist or open a fist. Lulz.
tyrub42
Well-known member
Wow 5 Lbs??? That is a SERIOUS gain with no or almost no fat gain. Nice work! I bet that stack had you feeling like a million bucks too. Did you get and joint-related sides (just asking because it is a possible side of both ArA and Erase)?
kissdadookie
Well-known member
Nah, there's definitely some fat gain, just not enough to really impact what I see in the mirror. LoL. When I use the caliper, there's definitely some fat gained, but the mirror I looks to be around the same bf % as when I started the stack
No joint related issues apart from the forearm tendonitis which I had going in to begin with, and some slight right shoulder/traps muscle strain/pull that had been coming and going for awhile which is probably caused by uneven exertion of force when I go heavy on the overheard triceps extension machine.
Just to note, I did continue to take my fish oil and cissus except I dosed those things on average, 5.5 hours away from my ArA dose (I get up at around 4:30AM, dose the stuff first thing, then take my fish oil, cissus/joints supp which is currently Flexible, at around 12/1 PM with my lunch).
tyrub42
Well-known member
Nah, there's definitely some fat gain, just not enough to really impact what I see in the mirror. LoL. When I use the caliper, there's definitely some fat gained, but the mirror I looks to be around the same bf % as when I started the stack
No joint related issues apart from the forearm tendonitis which I had going in to begin with, and some slight right shoulder/traps muscle strain/pull that had been coming and going for awhile which is probably caused by uneven exertion of force when I go heavy on the overheard triceps extension machine.
Honestly, the fact that you had some preexisting joint issues make it even better to hear that nothing got worse while running these. Now that the log is done, maybe give any exercises that aggravate them some time off. It sucks, but we gotta do it sometimes. I'm curious if you noticed any differences in aggression, mood, sleep pattern, and/or libido from all of that. If possible, let me know. Anyway, great work dude!
Best,
Tyler
kissdadookie
Well-known member
Mood and aggression is going to be highly dependent on your mindset really. My libido was great but I was also running fenugreek which always gives me a good libido boost (was using APE, pretty good, felt no pumps from it that some people are claiming it has, but it was some solid fenugreek natty booster). My sleep pattern, that thing has been solid especially after having used Abyss Unparalleled for awhile, that thing totally knocked my sleeping pattern back in place in a pretty natural way.
Definitely no new joint and connective tissues issues popped up running the stack, so I would think, for most people the whole joints and connective tissue issue should be a non-issue for the most part, also highly dependent on if you are in the gym using terrible form all the time or going way too heavy.
De__eB
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Very nice gains. ArA is the chit.
kissdadookie
Well-known member
Yup and thanks. ArA is hands down the most effective strength gain natty supplement I've tried to date. Very noticeable effects.
Next time, I'm going to give the 2 gram dose a try. Will get myself a 200 ct XF bottle and some SNS X-Gels and combo those together for a workout day 2 gram dose run.
southpaw23
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I was thinking of ordering 2-3 bottles, at two grams a day preworkout (5 times a week), although, not sure how long each bottle lasts at that dose. Would this be the most effective way to utilize ArA?
Lastly, is it worth running ArA for a total of 8 weeks, or rather as some have suggested here for 50 days?
Lastly, is it worth running ArA for a total of 8 weeks, or rather as some have suggested here for 50 days?