Just means you're in REM sleep , where we all should end up throughout the night
That's good to hear that its helping with sleep quality. So far, we've heard feedback of improved sleep quality and increased energy levels during the day (not in a stimulant way of course). Would you agree?Tongkat Ali makes me ZzZzZzZz ..... at night it works perfect .... 4 at night for me and its great sleep
I've read it before but there are so many different Tongkat extracts and that feedback seems to come with some but not with others.I was thinking it was the shilajit, huh. I've never heard tongkat does that.
I don't check Reddit much but want to point out that Tongkat Ali can be very different from one source to the next.on the Reddit ND forums there a quite a few people that say the TA makes them drowsy/tired .... People have suggested perhaps due to Cortisol tanking?
I hardly ever check Reddit for supplements.reddit....
i think all those guys who used to talk shyt at bb.com forum are now there?
That's interesting. I love vivid and crazy dreams; I hope that is something I'll wind up experiencing with it myself hahaI’m interested in this as well…been having wild ass dreams since starting optimize t…been splitting dose 2 in am and 2 around 5ish
update on m-test?I went ahead and extended it to the end of the month - but I will give everyone notice that we will likely run out of stock within the next week or so. Restock ETA will hopefully be 2 to 3 weeks.
It came in late today - I just got it turned back on live on the site.update on m-test?
That would be really cool if this turns out to be great for intense vivid dreams. I love those.Ya my dreams are intense lately, hadn't connected it but this is the only recent change.
It hasn't been long but this feels like a winner.
Libido is up (and pretty much everything in relation to those kinds of things).
Maybe a reduction in cortisol too. I look a bit tighter, but not in like a loss of much fat yet or like a crazy water dryness. Just a mix of fuller and tighter.
Idk if that makes sense but I like it so far haha
Only maybe 2 weeks in.
awesome thank you!It came in late today - I just got it turned back on live on the site.
I also put up a special 3 pack stack price as well.
It came in too late today to get shipped to any retailers but we will be shipping out retailer orders tomorrow.
I think you'll be super pleased stacking Optimize-T with M-Test. I look forward to hearing your feedback on that.Mine just came today . And even though I didn’t order two OTs ( got few tubs of Focus XT , ThermoXT , creatine etc ) them boys from SNS hooked me up with free Trib . Great products , awesome customer service.
I do expect a great results and planning on stacking OT with Mtest .
Thanks .
I want to make sure I understand the question correctly.I've been out the of the game since Active X and Mass FX when it was spiked lol.
What's this vs Mtest? Is there a comparison or conversation already on these two compared and contrasted?
Here you go:Not seeing it....
Sorry for the confusion. Basically I've been out of the game for a long time. Jungle warfare, mass tabs etc lol. I know both CEL and SNS, look how old this account is.I want to make sure I understand the question correctly.
The way you phrased it - you started off by saying how long you'd been out of the supplement thing - are you familiar with M-Test?
I wasn't sure whether you were asking what was Optimize-T and what was M-Test and how they compared/contrasted to one another or if you were already familiar with M-Test and were just asking how Optimize-T compared to it.
I discussed a little earlier in the thread about how the two compared and contrasted one another.
Both are great products and can be taken individually or can be stacked together.
M-Test is a great natural testosterone booster that's been available for years and is very popular and has a ton of good feedback on it. It's under the Competitive Edge Labs brand which markets towards and is generally more well-known in the bodybuilding and fitness community.
Optimize-T was recently released and is a great natural testosterone booster and there is a lot of great feedback on the ingredients and the initial feedback on the product itself has been awesome. It is under the SNS brand. SNS has a great reputation in the bodybuilding and fitness community but we've also been working very hard to become more well-known in the general health market, especially with our Health Series products like Joint Support XT, Liver Assist XT, Stress & Anxiety Support, and Optimize-T.
So M-Test is more well-known in general because its been out longer and being under CEL is going to be mostly associated with bodybuilding and fitness; even though its great for anyone looking for a natural testosterone booster.
Optimize-T is will be popular with the bodybuilding and fitness community but will have more crossover appeal to the general health market. The label style for the SNS Health Series for example is more appealing to the general health customer that wants a feel good, libido boosting testosterone booster whereas they may view M-Test as too hardcore.
You can kind of think of it as if you walked in a nutrition store, M-Test will be on the bodybuilding side and may be in the general health section but Optimize-T should be in both and also on the Men's Health shelf.
I hope that makes sense.
Development wise, Optimize-T was very hard to design because M-Test is such a great product and available at such a great price. The goal with Optimize-T was to design a product that was also a great product that people could cycle with M-Test or stack with M-Test but that may also cater to the few people that don't like M-Test. For example, M-Test has KSM-66; KSM-66 is one of the most researched and most popular natural testosterone boosting ingredients available but some people don't like it bc it makes them tired - so Optimize-T is a great option for those people.
I plan on writing a mini article on this topic whenever I figure out how to create more hours in the day haha.
Until then, I hope the brief summary here helps![]()
KSM-66 is an interesting ingredient in the sense that being clinical shown to increase testosterone levels, its also been shown in studies to both increase energy and improve relaxation - so it really depends on individual response to it and how you dose it as to how it affects you.Sorry for the confusion. Basically I've been out of the game for a long time. Jungle warfare, mass tabs etc lol. I know both CEL and SNS, look how old this account is.
Glad to see you guys still around.
I'm a bit paranoid on the KSM ingredient since I work fucked up long hours and get 5-7 hrs of sleep. I'm not TIRED throughout the day, but I'm not running 100mph either.
I know you're not going to say one is better than the other, I'll have to make that decision myself.
Appreciate it!
Hope this is the case for everyone too... I have pretty vivid dreams regularly but man, I would legit pay to have them EVERY night... so much fun haYa my dreams are intense lately, hadn't connected it but this is the only recent change.
It hasn't been long but this feels like a winner.
Libido is up (and pretty much everything in relation to those kinds of things).
Maybe a reduction in cortisol too. I look a bit tighter, but not in like a loss of much fat yet or like a crazy water dryness. Just a mix of fuller and tighter.
Idk if that makes sense but I like it so far haha
Only maybe 2 weeks in.
if it causes vivid sexual dreams i can't wait....Hope this is the case for everyone too... I have pretty vivid dreams regularly but man, I would legit pay to have them EVERY night... so much fun ha
That's great to hear that it working that fast for you.I've been taking this for a week now and my hunger has gone up along with a tighter midsection. Oh, and a boner around the clock lol. I haven't done anything differently besides adding this
Hopefully you'll see an increase in libido soon. It's kicking in quick for most people but everyone is different.Zero libido change at all…only thing I’ve noticed is dreams
Do we know what is causing the spontaneous erections? Is is heightened arousal or PDE-5 inhibition? I'm interested in the mechanism.Hopefully you'll see an increase in libido soon. It's kicking in quick for most people but everyone is different.
Definitely can tell a big time increase for me both in terms of libido and spontaneous erections.
what if your sleeping next to wife and you are VIVIDly dreaming about others and your wife wakes up and tells you "you talk in your sleep"if it causes vivid sexual dreams i can't wait....
actually one of my old favorites-christy canyon was a VIVID girl![]()
Time to up the dose because it's working.what if your sleeping next to wife and you are VIVIDly dreaming about others and your wife wakes up and tells you "you talk in your sleep"
:Asking for a friend:
I am.Hopefully you'll see an increase in libido soon. It's kicking in quick for most people but everyone is different.
Definitely can tell a big time increase for me both in terms of libido and spontaneous erections.
Can't wait to test drive this one.I am.
It is likely a combination of increased testosterone, improved libido/arousal, improved daily NO levels, and some PDE-5 effect.Do we know what is causing the spontaneous erections? Is is heightened arousal or PDE-5 inhibition? I'm interested in the mechanism.
I agree, so well that I jumped on two more bottles a day ago. M-Test was "almost there" for me, but Optimze-T is what I would of created if I wanted a Test/Libido booster for myself.For real, so far this is the best stuff I've used in a while, with no negatives like ksm gives me.
not going to happen-i wear a cpap maskwhat if your sleeping next to wife and you are VIVIDly dreaming about others and your wife wakes up and tells you "you talk in your sleep"
:Asking for a friend:
Yeah but your penor will be doing all the talking.not going to happen-i wear a cpap mask![]()
haha the greatest (and often most awkward) feeling/timing hahaI've been taking this for a week now and my hunger has gone up along with a tighter midsection. Oh, and a boner around the clock lol. I haven't done anything differently besides adding this
safety first!not going to happen-i wear a cpap mask![]()
be a manHow long can I take it before a break is needed?![]()
creatine is steroid .. this is natural .. so lifetimeSo.....like creatine, you say? #5yrsstraight
Take a break after she screams "I've had enough! You win!"How long can I take it before a break is needed?![]()
or, per the sleep talk comments above: "GET OUT YOU MANWHORE"Take a break after she screams "I've had enough! You win!"
Earlier in the thread I went into some details as to the thoughts behind cycling natural test boosters versus continuous use.How long can I take it before a break is needed?![]()
creatine is a steroid? wtf?creatine is steroid .. this is natural .. so lifetime
He's joking.creatine is a steroid? wtf?
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