Side effect of SERM

guzz

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What are the negative side of a SERM such as Nolva or Clomid? Do you think a SERM is necessary when taking a prohormone such as Hroid? Would I be alright with just a PCT like Inhibit-E and some milk thistle?
 
guzz said:
What are the negative side of a SERM such as Nolva or Clomid? Do you think a SERM is necessary when taking a prohormone such as Hroid? Would I be alright with just a PCT like Inhibit-E and some milk thistle?
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SERMs are toxic to the liver. They are drugs to treat breast cancer in pre-and post menopausal women. A lot of people take them blindly without thinking of the side effects or toxicity. A lot of forum members just blindly play follow the leader.

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For hdrol, you could get away with an otc pct, but since serms are dirt cheap, better option to just go with that. 4 weeks of a serm, yes they are hepatotoxic, but in such a short time frame, sides will be minimal to none.

Mike
 
i am planning to get my first ph cycle with p-mag fo 4/5 weeks. For side effects and health concerns i dont want to get a SERM product such as nolva or clomid. Is it gonna be okay if i use an otc pct product? any suggestions thanks
 
guzz said:
What are the negative side of a SERM such as Nolva or Clomid? Do you think a SERM is necessary when taking a prohormone such as Hroid? Would I be alright with just a PCT like Inhibit-E and some milk thistle?
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Side effect of Clomid: Obnoxiously large quantities of semen. Hope you like crusty towels!
 
PolatA said:
what do you think about the best otc combination then ? i checked lots of topics and so many different opinions. Help me out guys
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I used isa-test gf, formadrol etreme, DAA pure, and lean xtreme after a 32 day cycle of pmag. better to do the full 6 weeks to get the best results. this otc pct worked well for me
 
TxHomeGrown said:
Side effect of Clomid: Obnoxiously large quantities of semen. Hope you like crusty towels!
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Man... I'm gonna run Clomid year around...

Kidding trolls.
 
WARBIRDWS6 said:
just use it for a few days leading up to your big money shot :D
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I'm always scared to have sex in PCT because of the fact that SERMs raise sperm counts too... I don't want any more kids. Almost wore a condom but the wife would be like "da fuucxk"
 
Drizzie88 said:
I'm always scared to have sex in PCT because of the fact that SERMs raise sperm counts too... I don't want any more kids. Almost wore a condom but the wife would be like "da fuucxk"
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you'd probably get blamed for cheating, since she'd think you are trying to protect her from STD's or something LOL :D
 
WARBIRDWS6 said:
you'd probably get blamed for cheating, since she'd think you are trying to protect her from STD's or something LOL :D
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Yep. She is half Asian... You know those Asian girls are psycho anyways...

I have a question about SERMs... I've read a lot of literature on Clomid and how it boosts test levels but does nolva boost test levels too? I'm kinda lost at this because ive yet to find anything on it really. Am I looking in the wrong place.
 
Drizzie88 said:
Yep. She is half Asian... You know those Asian girls are psycho anyways...

I have a question about SERMs... I've read a lot of literature on Clomid and how it boosts test levels but does nolva boost test levels too? I'm kinda lost at this because ive yet to find anything on it really. Am I looking in the wrong place.
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I always use clomid for purposes of getting my HPTA back up and running, and nolvadex for a preventative or treatment for gyno....BUT supposedly nolvadex is just as good as clomid for PCT. some guys get HUGE increases in endogenous test from clomid, while others get just average increases...but yeah that is what it does. Does nolvadex do it just as well? I'm not sure to be honest, never used it for that purpose.
 
WARBIRDWS6 said:
I always use clomid for purposes of getting my HPTA back up and running, and nolvadex for a preventative or treatment for gyno....BUT supposedly nolvadex is just as good as clomid for PCT. some guys get HUGE increases in endogenous test from clomid, while others get just average increases...but yeah that is what it does. Does nolvadex do it just as well? I'm not sure to be honest, never used it for that purpose.
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For test increase, i'd rather use Arimidex or Aromasin.
 
All serms increase test or atleast regulate its increase. Nolva and torem lower igf1 and torem (why no gain pcts are not uncommon) increases shbg which is bad but can be avoided.

Clomid idk too much about except for vision sides at higher doses. I know it can lower igf1

Clomid and torem bring your boys back faster
 
jimbuick said:
With no serm EP may be better than OG
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You could but ad3 is ad3. He can still run 3 pills a day...Daa and endosurge cover him in all aspects. Plus contain L Dopa

If he was to run EP,since it has test boosting properties u can just run Daa.
 
Rhadam said:
For test increase, i'd rather use Arimidex or Aromasin.
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Any literature on this? Not doubting you, just trying to learn...
 
WARBIRDWS6 said:
clomid plus DAA/NMDA (or any other legit OTC test booster) is usually my choice. with some erase of course.
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Does clomid still prevent gyno? Or atleast lessen the chances? And those vision sides... Not permanent right?
 
Hey time for one of "those" questions. Small 4 week cycle epi at 30mg no higher the whole way
Got torem for pct 120/90/60/30? 90//60/30/30? Or ?/?/?/?....??????
 
cokeholio said:
Hey time for one of "those" questions. Small 4 week cycle epi at 30mg no higher the whole way
Got torem for pct 120/90/60/30? 90//60/30/30? Or ?/?/?/?....??????
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90 60 30 30 . You could even go 60 60 30 30 cause epi is mild as heck.
 
Cool. The less torem I have to use the better. I got a ton of daa powder for pct and erase to add in the 2nd week
 
cokeholio said:
Might pick up another test booster unless you think that pct is good enough
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Dude,def add something..Look into Endosurge (Div 3,4 and L Dopa)..

Divison 1 is great as well.

Few other options are Bioforge,APE, Icariin....
 
cokeholio said:
Might pick up another test booster unless you think that pct is good enough
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Pick up active extreme by driven sports. It binds to shbg to stop it from limiting test so much. Higher shbg you have the less test ya have floating around.
 
Would activate xtreme be enough with torem,daa,erase? I had lean xtreme on my list but someone mentioned that a 4 week low dose cycle of epi won't be much and I'd be fine without it. I have 20 days on cycle still so I'll do some shopping today? Also gonna check endosurge I just don't wanna drop anymore funds on this cycle so I just wanna get what I'll need to recover everything still gonna do bloods after cycle. I have no problem getting another component for pct if needed though. Thanks for the advice pyro and jay
 
cokeholio said:
Would activate xtreme be enough with torem,daa,erase? I had lean xtreme on my list but someone mentioned that a 4 week low dose cycle of epi won't be much and I'd be fine without it. I have 20 days on cycle still so I'll do some shopping today? Also gonna check endosurge I just don't wanna drop anymore funds on this cycle so I just wanna get what I'll need to recover everything still gonna do bloods after cycle. I have no problem getting another component for pct if needed though. Thanks for the advice pyro and jay
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It will be fine
 
WARBIRDWS6 said:
clomid plus DAA/NMDA (or any other legit OTC test booster) is usually my choice. with some erase of course.
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That's what I'm doing right now after a SD cycle. On day 5 of PCT and feel great. Had one slight "emotional" day but fixed that with a good mountain bike ride :)
 
leftside1 said:
That's what I'm doing right now after a SD cycle. On day 5 of PCT and feel great. Had one slight "emotional" day but fixed that with a good mountain bike ride :)
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Im worried about those emotional sides. I don't think my wife will like the drama queen in me
 
Ok with a mild ph isn't if you are shut down your shut down and it doesn't matter how mild it is? I get maybe it's easier to bounce back but correct me if I'm wrong, it doesn't matter what you take if you shut yourself down it's basically all equivalent
 
Mitch5 said:
Ok with a mild ph isn't if you are shut down your shut down and it doesn't matter how mild it is? I get maybe it's easier to bounce back but correct me if I'm wrong, it doesn't matter what you take if you shut yourself down it's basically all equivalent
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You recover from mild phs fast. Serms have side effects when it comes to building muscle which is why if you can get recovered with a lower dose then that's great. All 3 lower your natural igf1. Clomid has vision problems( I believe) torem increases shbg which limits test levels. Nolva works slowly and can destroy your gallbladder ( gallstones in my case) . All 3 can cause exteene nausea and all 3 prevent gains to an extent. Why would you Mega dose them?

The mildly suppressive ones don't stop testicular function like super drol.
Given they aren't Mega dosed( looks at those 60mg epi logs on another forum)
 
There's some 60mg logs here of epi which i still don't agree with I just think if u gotta run 60 just get a stronger ph or stack/bridge it
 
cokeholio said:
There's some 60mg logs here of epi which i still don't agree with I just think if u gotta run 60 just get a stronger ph or stack/bridge it
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60 mg will cause non mild shut down. Idk how they deal with the joint issues at that high
 
pyrobatt said:
60 mg will cause non mild shut down. Idk how they deal with the joint issues at that high
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Cissus and fish oil. 60mg is the only way I'll epi, and honestly erase hurts my joints much worse
 
steppinRazor said:
Cissus and fish oil. 60mg is the only way I'll epi, and honestly erase hurts my joints much worse
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Epi plus unmethylated winny cycle please :D
 
pyrobatt said:
Epi plus unmethylated winny cycle please :D
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Hmmmm future cycle??? Haha epi is killing my knee at 30 mgs and I'm on day 12 and when I was running Erase pro I could feel it too. orange triad is my savior for now I may pick up glucosamine from a local DNC store for the rest of my cycle fish oil I'm taking as well @ 3 caps a day I may do like 4 now
 
cokeholio said:
Hmmmm future cycle??? Haha epi is killing my knee at 30 mgs and I'm on day 12 and when I was running Erase pro I could feel it too. orange triad is my savior for now I may pick up glucosamine from a local DNC store for the rest of my cycle fish oil I'm taking as well @ 3 caps a day I may do like 4 now
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My squat is my heavyest lift so.....no. my next cycle will be an oral (andro hard) plus trenazone for 8 weeks. Then ill pin. Test e 500 mg per week with a dbol kicker. Add on some andro mass ( still looking into) then cruise at 250 mg cyp per week if I take well to pinning.
I'm going to enter a contest in a year.
 
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