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Shocking clear Video President John F. Kennedy killed by his *Own Driver*

There is a reason an investigative journalist source will not this story as fact.

And the reason is up to you to decide why they wont cover scientists, engineers, military officials, and key witnesses. Its called bias.

In all honesty, I dont want to argue with you today, and....

I judge people by their motives and their heart. I think your motives and heart are in the proper place, and in a positive way even though we have disagreements. Im just saying I think your a good person and I have nothing against your views.
 
That doesnt mean I wont debate with you in the future :)
 
And the reason is up to you to decide why they wont cover scientists, engineers, military officials, and key witnesses. Its called bias.

In all honesty, I dont want to argue with you today, and....

I judge people by their motives and their heart. I think your motives and heart are in the proper place, and in a positive way even though we have disagreements. Im just saying I think your a good person and I have nothing against your views.

No worries. That is the great thing, we can disagree all day.. I have no real animosity whatsoever. Neither of our views changes anything, but makes for entertainment in the end.
 
No worries. That is the great thing, we can disagree all day.. I have no real animosity whatsoever. Neither of our views changes anything, but makes for entertainment in the end.

Thats cool....Im never out to offend anyone.

Your post makes me more comfortable debating you in the future, and you can attack me a lil if you want too, call me a communist dumb-ass and stuff like that.
 
Thats cool....Im never out to offend anyone.

Your post makes me more comfortable debating you in the future, and you can attack me a lil if you want too, call me a communist dumb-ass and stuff like that.

Naw... at 4'6", you have enough problems of your own! :D
 
Naw... at 4'6", you have enough problems of your own! :D

Like he doesn't know he's small and no one ever acknowledged it in his lifetime :rolleyes: That was just immature, unnecessary, and "small" minded to make such a comment like that. Couldn't think of nothing better but the obvious?
 
Like he doesn't know he's small and no one ever acknowledged it in his lifetime :rolleyes: That was just immature, unnecessary, and "small" minded to make such a comment like that. Couldn't think of nothing better but the obvious?

Are you joking, or really being intentionally a jackass? You do realize his height is a direct relation of his alter ego Kim Jong Il, correct? You really are jumping to conclusions there.

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This video that is never played on the history channel proves that Kennedy's own limo driver was involved with shooting him in the head.

The driver turns around and shoots JFK, you can see the gun and everything.

I dont do conspiracy theories, dont blow me off by calling me a "conspiracy theorist." If you think otherwise on the evidence post your side of it and lets have an intelligent discussion, that is more than welcoming.


I've ran this through all of our video software which our studio has and I have yet to see it, even when enlarged and re-digitized, I still cannot see what you are referring to.
 
possibly, yes

if you see the video it was a matter of 2 seconds, and if everybody is staring at JFK, its easy for most to miss. once your focus your visions has its extreme limits.

Seriously guy, there is NO WAY that anyone can confirm with perfect certainty that everyone was focusing on Kennedy. There is no way that you can say with certainty that each and every single person breathing was focusing on Kennedy and not one single being was looking at the driver or even looking towards the front seat of the car...

Furthermore, once you start to even question the possibility of some looking one way and others looking another direction, it destroys this theory all together. Because, in order for your theory to exist, it must PROVE that each person with a voice was looking at Kennedy and not even towards the front seat or the driver...you have already destroyed it be saying "if everybody" is looking at Kennedy, it most certainly could be possible...the words "if everybody" killed the theory due to it being no way it can be certain. And, if it cannot be certain that everyone was looking at Kennedy, then it leaves us to believe that some COULD have been looking at the driver....if anyone was looking at the driver (besides some 11 year old), they would have most certainly said something by now.
 
Like he doesn't know he's small and no one ever acknowledged it in his lifetime :rolleyes: That was just immature, unnecessary, and "small" minded to make such a comment like that. Couldn't think of nothing better but the obvious?

Dont worry, I appreciate you sticking up for me, but it is in fact in relation to the character I portray. Sorry for the confusion though.
 
THE DRIVER KILLED KENNEDY

The HSCA said there were 4 shots and gave two scenarios based on the dpd radio analysis. One of their scenarios had a shot coming after the fatal shot which is what the evidence suggests.

1st shot = Z157 - Z161 TSBD
2nd shot = Z188 - Z191 TSBD
3rd shot = Z295 - Z296 Grassy Knoll
4th shot = Z312 TSBD

The HSCA went with the above scenario in the late 70's.


1st shot = Z173 - Z177 TSBD
2nd shot = Z205 -Z208 TSBD
3rd shot = Z312 Grassy Knoll
4th shot = Z328 - Z329 TSBD
 
In 2001, researcher D. B. Thomas studied the dictabelt recording and also determined that a shot fired from the grassy knoll killed the President. His study indicated a total of five shots with a 96.3% probability as follows:

? = Z147 No match
1st Shot = Z175 TSBD (hit a curb)
2nd Shot = Z204 "Rogue Shot"
3rd Shot = Z224 TSBD (hit JFK and Connally)
4th Shot = Z312 Grassy Knoll (Fatal wound)
5th Shot = Z326 TSBD

My line up.

1. 147-160 missed
2. 225 from front hit Kennedy in throat
3. 234 Connally struck in back from behind
4. 313 Driver fires fatal shot
5. 323 give or take a few frames; a shot was fired from the fence/knoll immediately after Greer fired to confuse people standing on elm about the fatal shot coming from inside the limo. IT WAS A DUMMIE SHOT
 
Moorman's affadavit supports the dummie shot that followed the driver shooting at 313. She took the pic 1/5 a second before the fatal shot and then heard another one. The last shot was fired to provide a red herring for the witnesses that remained on elm near the limo. THE LAST SHOT WAS A DUMMIE SHOT to confuse people and give them an alternative location for the fatal shot.


Mary Moorman's Affidavit (back to the list of witnesses)
Mrs. Jean Hill and I were standing on the grass by the park on Elm Street between the underpass and the corner of Elm & Houston. I had a Polaroid Camera with me and was intending to take pictures of President Kennedy and the motorcade. As the motorcade started toward me I took two pictures. As President Kennedy was opposite me I took a picture of him. As I snapped the picture of President Kennedy, I heard a shot ring out. President Kennedy kind of slumped over. Then I heard another shot ring out and Mrs. Kennedy jumped up in the car and said, "My God he had been shot." When I heard these shots ring out, I fell to the ground to keep from being hit myself. I heard three or four shots in all. After the pictures I took were developed, the Picture of President Kennedy showed him slumped over. When the pictures were developed, they came out real light. These pictures have been turned over to Officers investigating this incident.

1. 147-160 missed
2. 225 from front hit Kennedy in throat
3. 234 Connally struck in back from behind
4. 313 Driver fires fatal shot
5. 323 give or take a few frames; a shot was fired from the fence/knoll immediately after Greer fired to confuse people standing on elm about the fatal shot coming from inside the limo. IT WAS A DUMMIE SHOT.
 
Jean Hill

She heard 3 shots and then the 4 second pause that surely happened. These 3 shot are supported by facts the goverment concedes and of course disproving the single bullet myth. 18 frames per second.

Mr. SPECTER - How many shots were there altogether?
Mrs. HILL - I have always said there were some four to six shots. There were three shots---one right after the other, and a distinct pause, or just a moment's pause, and then I heard more.

1. 147-160 missed
2. 225 Kennedy
3. 234 Connally

4 1/3 second pause

4. 313 fatal shot
5. 323 dummie shot from knoll
 
Greer is guilty beyond any doubt

Greer's lies are right up there with OJ Simpson. He was looking directly at Kennedy two seperate times between frame 272-302. The film proves many things and certainly proves Greer lied big time.

Mr. SPECTER - Were you able to see anything of President Kennedy as you glanced to the rear?
Mr. GREER - No, sir; I didn't see anything of the President, I didn't look, I wasn't far enough around to see the President.
THE GUILTY LIE ALL THE TIME...GREER WAS NO EXCEPTION.
 
Greer lies right here by saying he sped off after the second shot and after the first time he turned around. This is his official line and it's visually proven a lie because of the film. Remember this was a whitewash but in the real world Greer would have gotten the chair because of these epic lies.

Mr. GREER - Well, when we were going down Elm Street, I heard a noise that I thought was a backfire of one of the motorcycle policemen. And I didn't--it did not affect me like anything else. I just thought that it is what it was. We had had so many motorcycles around us. So I heard this noise. And I thought that is what it was. And then I heard it again. And I glanced over my shoulder. And I saw Governor Connally like he was starting to fall. Then I realized there was something wrong. I tramped on the accelerator, and at the same time Mr. Kellerman said to me, "Get out of here fast." And I cannot remember even the other shots or noises that was. I cannot quite remember any more. I did not see anything happen behind me any more, because I was occupied with getting away.
 
Greer slips up and admits he accelerated after the third shot which is always the last shot for people who are lying. He sped off after his second turn and right after he fired the fatal shot.

Mr. SPECTER - Do you recollect whether you accelerated before or at the same time or after the third shot?
Mr. GREER - I couldn't really say. Just as soon as I turned my head back from the second shot, right away I accelerated right then. It was a matter of my reflexes to the accelerator.
Mr. SPECTER - Was it at about that time that you heard the third shot?
Mr. GREER - Yes, sir; just as soon as I turned my head
.

This testimony is golden and would convict anyone on trial for murder in a heartbeat. He admits to turning twice here but officially said he turned only once. OOPS!


Mr. SPECTER - Do you have an independent recollection at this moment of having heard three shots at that time?
Mr. GREER - I knew that after I heard the second one, that is when I looked over my shoulder, and I was conscious that there was something wrong, because that is when I saw Governor Connally. And when I turned around again, to the best of my recollection there was another one, right immediately after.

The one you fired, you imbecile.:liar:
 
Greer shot back

Hill heard 4-6 shots and saw the ss shooting back. She thought she was in a movie.LOL She kinda was! The only ss agent that we know for sure fired a shot was the driver. His name was William Greer and he fired the fatal shot that blew Kennedy's brains out.

Mr. SPECTER - What occurred at the time of the fourth shot which you believe you heard?
Mrs. HILL - Well, at that time, of course, there was a pause and I took the other shots---about that time Mary grabbed me and was yelling and I had looked away from what was going on here and I thought, because I guess from the TV and movies, that it was Secret Service agents shooting back. To me, if somebody shoots at somebody they always shoot back and so I just thought that that's what it was and I thought, well, they are getting him and shooting back, you know; I didn't know.
Mr. SPECTER - Where was the President's car at the time you thought you heard the fourth shot?
Mrs. HILL - The motorcade came to almost a halt at the time the shots rang out, and I would say it was just approximately, if not---it couldn't have been in the same position, I'm sure it wasn't, but just a very, very short distance from where it had been. It was just almost stunned.
Mr. SPECTER - And how about the time of the fifth shot, where do you think the President's car was?
Mrs. HILL - That was during those shots, I think it wasn't any further than a few feet---further down
.
Mr. SPECTER - Which shots, now---you mean the fourth, and perhaps the fifth and perhaps the sixth shot?
Mrs. HILL - Yes.

4. 313 fatal shot
5. 323 dummie shot from knoll
 
Dictabelt assists in forming shot sequence

1st shot = Z157 - Z161 TSBD
2nd shot = Z188 - Z191 TSBD
3rd shot = Z295 - Z296 Grassy Knoll
4th shot = Z312 TSBD

The HSCA went with the above scenario in the late 70's.

1st shot = Z173 - Z177 TSBD
2nd shot = Z205 -Z208 TSBD
3rd shot = Z312 Grassy Knoll
4th shot = Z328 - Z329 TSBD

In 2001, researcher D. B. Thomas studied the dictabelt recording and also determined that a shot fired from the grassy knoll killed the President. His study indicated a total of five shots with a 96.3% probability as follows:

? = Z147 No match
1st Shot = Z175 TSBD (hit a curb)
2nd Shot = Z204 "Rogue Shot"
3rd Shot = Z224 TSBD (hit JFK and Connally)
4th Shot = Z312 Grassy Knoll (Fatal wound)
5th Shot = Z326 TSBD

My line up.

1. 147-160 missed
2. 225 from front hit Kennedy in throat.
3. 234 Connally struck in back from behind
FOUR SECOND PAUSE
4. 313 Driver fires fatal shot
5. 323 give or take a few frames; a shot was fired from the fence/knoll immediately after Greer fired to confuse people standing on elm about the fatal shot coming from inside the limo. IT WAS A DUMMIE SHOT. THE LAST TWO SHOTS WERE BANG BANG.
 
its not the driver, nobody else in the car saw anything that would indicate Greer killed him
 
I joined to reveal the truth about the driver but I can't post pics until 50 posts. I would've posted three for starters.

Okay, so we have now found out that you are the "Truth" squad, you may fair slightly better at a place like club conspiracy (Invalid Link Removed) rather than a fitness based forum.
 
A very honest and welcome reply from another forum

Listen, I was being a **** about this last night. and upon further review you've actually got research to back up most of what you say. I still disagree with you're conclusion.

The thing about the "mist" just isn't true. Many times when people get shot that exact same thing happens. It depends a lot on the caliber being used and the ballistics of that particular bullet, but you claiming it's impossible is false.
 
I think we are deviating from the important issue, here. You are so dedicated to propagandizing about JFK's death that, ostensibly, you comb the internet for discussions thereon and join random forums to, "spread the truth."

That takes a peculiar amount of dedication and devotion. For that, I commend you sir.
 
THIS IS MOST LIKELY THE CLOSEST EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT PLACING THE GUN IN GREER'S HAND.

COUNTY OF DALLAS, TEXAS
Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the 22 day of November A.D. 1963 personally appeared Hugh William Betzner, Jr., Address 5922 Velasco, Dallas, Age 22 , Phone No. TA 7-9761
Deposes and says:
I was standing on Houston Street near the intersection of Elm Street. I took a picture of President Kennedy's car as it passed along Houston Street. I have an old camera. I looked down real quick and rolled the film to take the next picture. I then ran down to the corner of Elm andHouston [sic] Streets, this being the southwest corner. I was standing back from the corner and had to take the pictures through some of the crowd. I ran on down Elm a little more and President Kennedy's car was starting to go down the hill to the triple underpass. I was running trying to keep the President's car in my view and was winding my film as I ran. I was looking down at my camera to see the number of the film as I ran. I took another picture as the President's car was going down the hill on Elm Street. I started to wind my film again and I heard a loud noise. I thought that this noise was either a firecracker or a car had backfired. I looked up and it seemed like there was another loud noise in the matter of a few seconds. I looked down the street and I could see the President's car and another one and they looked like the cars were stopped. Then I saw a flash of pink like someone standing up and then sitting back down in the car. Then I ran around so I could look over the back of a monument and I either saw the following then or when I was sitting back down on the corner of Elm Street. I cannot remember exactly where I was when I saw the following: I heard at least two shots fired and I saw what looked like a firecracker going off in the president's car. My assumption for this was because I saw fragments going up in the air. I also saw a man in either the President's car or the car behind his and someone down in one of those cars pull out what looked like a rifle. I also remember seeing what looked like a nickel revolver in someone's hand in the President's car or somewhere immediately around his car. Then the President's car sped on under the underpass. Police and a lot of spectators started running up the hill on the opposite side of the street from me to a fence of wood. I assumed that was where the shot was fired from at that time. I kept watching the crowd. Then I came around the monument over to Main Street. I walked down toward where the President's car had stopped. I saw a Police Officer and some men in plain clothes. I don't know who they were. These Police Officers and the men in plain clothes were digging around in the dirt as if they were looking for a bullet. I walked back around the monument over to Elm Street where they were digging in the dirt. I went on across the street and up the embankment to where the fence is located. By this time almost all of the people had left. There were quite a few people down on the street and crowded around a motorcycle. I was looking around the fence as the rumor had spread that that was where the shot had come from. I started figuring where I was when I had taken the third picture and it seemed to me that the fence row would have been in the picture. I saw a group of men who looked like they might be officers and one of them turned out to be Deputy Sheriff Boone. I told him about the picture I had taken. Deputy Sheriff Boone contacted superiors and was told to bring me over to the Sheriff's Office. Deputy Sheriff Boone took my camera and asked me to wait. I waited in the Sheriff's Office and some time later, an hour or two, he brought my camera back and told me that as soon as they got through with the film and they were dry that they would give me the film. A little later he came in and gave me the negatives and told me that they were interested in a couple of pictures and implied that the negatives was all I was going to get back. To the best of my knowledge, this is all I know about this incident. /s/ Hugh William Betzner, Jr.
 
A SHOT RIGHT THERE IN THE CAR

(Miller was standing on the triple overpass)

Mr. BELIN - Well, describe what happened. Did you see the motorcade come by?
Mr. MILLER - Yes sir; it came down main street and turned north on Houston Street and went over two blocks and turned left on Elm Street. Got about halfway down the hill going toward the underpass and that is when as I recall the first shot was fired.
Mr. BELIN - Did you know it was a shot when you heard it?
Mr. MILLER - I didn't know it. I thought at first the motorcycle backfiring or somebody throwed some firecrackers out.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you hear or see?
Mr. MILLER - After the first one, just a few seconds later, there was two more shots fired, or sounded like a sound at the time. I don't know for sure. And it was after that I saw some man in the car fall forward, and a women next to him grab him and hollered, and just what, I don't know exactly what she said.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you see?
Mr. MILLER - About that time I turned to look toward the - there is a little plaza sitting on the hill. I looked over there to see if anything was there, who through the firecracker or whatever it was, or see if anything was up there, and there wasn't nobody standing there, so I stepped back and looked at the tracks to see if anybody run across the railroad tracks, and there was nobody running across the railroad tracks. So I turned right straight back just in time to see the convertible take off fast.
Mr. BELIN - You mean the convertible in which the President was riding?
Mr. MILLER - I wouldn't want to say it was the President. It was a convertible, but I saw a man fall over. I don't know whose convertible it was.
Mr. BELIN - Where did the shots sound like they came from?
Mr. MILLER - Well, the way it sounded like, it came from the, I would say from right there in the car. Would be to my left, the way I was looking at him toward that incline
.
Mr. BELIN - Is there anything else that you can think of that you saw?
Mr. MILLER - About the time I looked over to the side there, there was a police officer. No; a motorcycle running his motor under against the curb, and jumped off and come up to the hill toward the top and right behind him was some more officers and plainclothesmen, too.
Mr. BELIN - Did you see anyone that might be, that gave any suspicious movements of any kind over there?
Mr. MILLER - No, sir; I didn't
Mr. BELIN - Did you see anyone when you looked around on the railroad tracks, that you hadn't seen before
Mr. MILLER - No, sir; I didn't.
 
(Skelton was standing on the triple overpass)

Mr. BALL - Did you see the President's car turn on Elm Street?
Mr. SKELTON - Yes, sir; I saw the car carrying the Presidential flag turn.
Mr. BALL - And did you hear something soon after that?
Mr. SKELTON - Just about the same time the car straightened up - got around the corner - I heard two shots, but I didn't know at the time they were shots.
Mr. BALL - Where did they seem to come from?
Mr. SKELTON - Well, I couldn't tell then, they were still to far from where I was.
Mr. BALL - Did the shots sound like they came from where you were standing?
Mr. SKELTON - No, sir; definitely not. It sounded like they were right there - more or less like motorcycle backfire, but I thought that they were these dumb balls that they throw at the cement because I could see the smoke coming up off the cement.
Mr. BALL - You saw smoke come off the cement?
Mr. SKELTON - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Where did it seem to you that the sound came from, what direction?
Mr. SKELTON - Towards the President's car.
Mr. BALL - From the President's car.
Mr. SKELTON - right around the motorcycles and all that - I couldn't distinguish because it was too far away
.
Mr. BALL - How long did you stand there?
Mr. SKELTON - I stood there from about 12:15 until the time the President was shot.
Mr. BALL - How many shots did you hear?
Mr. SKELTON - I think I heard four - I mean - I couldn't be sure.
Mr. BALL - You think you heard four?
Mr. SKELTON - Yes
.
 
FROM THE SAME POSTER

Listen, I was being a **** about this last night. and upon further review you've actually got research to back up most of what you say. I still disagree with you're conclusion.

The thing about the "mist" just isn't true. Many times when people get shot that exact same thing happens. It depends a lot on the caliber being used and the ballistics of that particular bullet, but you claiming it's impossible is false.

I actually just watched a show that pretty thoroughly debunked all the usual theories put out there, they interestingly did not even touch yours. Again I need to apologize for being a **** about things earlier. Finding an individual willing to actually research and back-up the claims they're making is a rare thing, so it would be dumb of me to crush any rational discussion just because I think you're wrong.

As for some of your claims, as I pointed out earlier, the one about the "pink mist" I believe to be false. I've seen similar looking spray come out of a deer shot with a hunting rifle. Having never shot a person in the head, I can't say for sure it would happen, maybe some law enforcement/military could shed light on that. But still, I believe your point to be false.

Also, for a pistol to do that type of damage to someones head, it would have to be a fairly large caliber. I'm no expert on ballistics, but I know enough to tell you that a .22LR wouldn't blow the back of a mans head off from a couple feet away. Bigger bullet means louder blast, and an all around more noticeable shot. I still have a hard time believing only a handful of people claimed to notice anything.

Just for fun, if you believe the driver shot him, you must believe in a larger conspiracy as well. Perhaps the driver pulled the trigger, but who do you believe were the guys in the shadows pulling the strings?
 
Okay, so we have now found out that you are the "Truth" squad, you may fair slightly better at a place like club conspiracy rather than a fitness based forum.

This thead is about the driver so I posted here. There's no crime in that. It's not like I spammed random threads with the truth about Greer.
 
I think we are deviating from the important issue, here. You are so dedicated to propagandizing about JFK's death that, ostensibly, you comb the internet for discussions thereon and join random forums to, "spread the truth."

That takes a peculiar amount of dedication and devotion. For that, I commend you sir.

I didn't post any propaganda. I posted the truth, an obvious truth at that. If I can get to fifty you'll see visual proof that Greer killed Kennedy.
 
This thead is about the driver so I posted here. There's no crime in that. It's not like I spammed random threads with the truth about Greer.

You are correct, albeit you joined a fitness forum to discuss this? Why not discuss with like minded people who actually cares?

I will tell you straight up, everything you have posted, maybe 1 person has read. You are just copy and pasting way to much crap for anyone to care.
 
You are correct, albeit you joined a fitness forum to discuss this? Why not discuss with like minded people who actually cares?

I will tell you straight up, everything you have posted, maybe 1 person has read. You are just copy and pasting way to much crap for anyone to care.

I joined this fitness forum to post in a thread about the driver killing Kennedy. Blame Google.LOL
 
Mocking An Idiot Forum Owner Is Fun

charlesdrago wrote:
To the Owners and Administrators of this Forum:

Be advised that Hanson/7forever has placed his forgery of my original work as the lead post on his own disinformation site.

That you willingly provide a platform for Hanson's lies tells me all I need to know of your collective intellect, conscience, and intentions.

Sleep warm. And farewell.

Charles Drago
Co-founder, co-owner
Deep Politics Forum


To the Owners and Administrators of this Forum:

Be advised that Charly Ragu has placed his disinformation of my original work as the lead post on his own disinformation site.

That you willingly provide a platform for Charly's desperate attempts to cover his ass tells me that you believe in free speech.

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