SHIFT PEScience

snu22 said:
We'll have to await confirmation from reps but I would have to imagine it's only 234mg of the extract and not 234mg of synephrine. 234mg of straight synephrine would be nuts!

Personally my body doesn't jive well with synephrine at all so I have to pass on this one :(
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How so? Synephrine actually has a lot of human data showing minimal if any side effects if taken with no other stims. Most people have never experienced this because it's thrown in with insane doses of PEA analogues, caffeine, yohimbine, etc.

But yeah, it's 70mg of synephrine. 100mg has been studied in humans with no ill effect
 
mr.cooper69 said:
How so? Synephrine actually has a lot of human data showing minimal if any side effects if taken with no other stims. Most people have never experienced this because it's thrown in with insane doses of PEA analogues, caffeine, yohimbine, etc.

But yeah, it's 70mg of synephrine. 100mg has been studied in humans with no ill effect
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and that 70mg is split between 2 doses or per dose...?
 
mr.cooper69 said:
How so? Synephrine actually has a lot of human data showing minimal if any side effects if taken with no other stims. Most people have never experienced this because it's thrown in with insane doses of PEA analogues, caffeine, yohimbine, etc.

But yeah, it's 70mg of synephrine. 100mg has been studied in humans with no ill effect
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Well studies are all well and good, but everyone reacts differently to supplements and especially so with stimulants. This is something I'm pretty sure we all understand. In my case, I can handle respectable doses of caffeine and yohimbe all day, but historically anything with synephrine in it has given me negative side effects like uncomfortable heart rate (especially if taken pre-workout) and anxiety if dosed with any regularity.

Is synephrine effective? Hell yes it is. But just like some folks don't do well with yohimbe, I don't do well with synephrine. I'm also only 3/4 of the way through my current Alphamine & Norco run (awesome btw) and definitely don't need to be throwing any Syn in the mix!

The other ingredients definitely have piqued my interest, and I may take a shot at a low-dosed run of Shift near the end of the summer if I can manage to wean off my caffeine addiction :D
 
mechka_grizli said:
No issues? The Rauwolscine and Syn won't be too much?
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If using Target-A2 with Shift, be sure to access tolerance with 1 cap of Target-A2 solo. If no issues arise, add in a cap of Shift.
 
mechka_grizli said:
Do you think the benefits will be that much better. Results wise I mean
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We wouldn't of replaced the old Alpha-T2 with Shift if we didn't think it would be beneficial/stackable with other products for maximal results.
 
So if someone where to stack this with Norcodrene (currently 2 caps AM and 1 Cap afternoon), would 2 caps in the AM at the same time as the Norcodrene be ok? The Norco has 200mg of caffeine per 2 caps and the Shift label says only 1 cap with 320mg of caffeine. So is two caps of Shift with the 200mg of caffeine from the Norco going to be a problem?

Would it be better to split the shift dosing to 1 AM with the Norco and 1 in the afternoon with the Norco? In general, if someone were to supplement with 2 caps of Shift, would it be better to split up the dosing to 1 AM and 1 afternoon?

Thanks.
 
FireRescue said:
So if someone where to stack this with Norcodrene (currently 2 caps AM and 1 Cap afternoon), would 2 caps in the AM at the same time as the Norcodrene be ok? The Norco has 200mg of caffeine per 2 caps and the Shift label says only 1 cap with 320mg of caffeine. So is two caps of Shift with the 200mg of caffeine from the Norco going to be a problem?

Would it be better to split the shift dosing to 1 AM with the Norco and 1 in the afternoon with the Norco? In general, if someone were to supplement with 2 caps of Shift, would it be better to split up the dosing to 1 AM and 1 afternoon?

Thanks.
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2 caps norco or 2 scoops alphamine with 1 cap shift in the morning

1 cap/1 scoop norco/alphamine with 1 cap shift in the afternoon is how I'm planning on dosing
 
jwsnowman said:
6 here....I must love getting taken from behind with the usd-cad exchange rate because I've ordered max amounts on both the PBC and now shift insiders along with 12 tubs of e9 lol.
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This I know too well

At least shipping on this was 10x better as its light weight
 
Driven2lift said:
This I know too well

At least shipping on this was 10x better as its light weight
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this. in bulk worked out very well for me. when the new pre comes around i hope its the same, only might need to order on a troll account to bypass the 6 to a cheeky 12 ;) i will go HAM on the pre for sure
 
FireRescue said:
So if someone where to stack this with Norcodrene (currently 2 caps AM and 1 Cap afternoon), would 2 caps in the AM at the same time as the Norcodrene be ok? The Norco has 200mg of caffeine per 2 caps and the Shift label says only 1 cap with 320mg of caffeine. So is two caps of Shift with the 200mg of caffeine from the Norco going to be a problem?

Would it be better to split the shift dosing to 1 AM with the Norco and 1 in the afternoon with the Norco? In general, if someone were to supplement with 2 caps of Shift, would it be better to split up the dosing to 1 AM and 1 afternoon?

Thanks.
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Shouldn't be an issue stacking it based on its recommendations and our current product recommendations.

With that said you may initially wish to start with 1 serving of each (1 Shift + 1 Norcodrene) before bumping up, just to assess tolerance. :)
 
Ordered six bottles.

Do you take both caps at once or split them am/pm? And is there benefit to taking more than 2/day or is that a no no?
 
Theraflu said:
Ordered six bottles.

Do you take both caps at once or split them am/pm? And is there benefit to taking more than 2/day or is that a no no?
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You could split the dose if you wanted, but I would go with the morning dose on an empty stomach as recommended. Stick with 1-2 caps per day.
 
jwsnowman said:
2 caps norco or 2 scoops alphamine with 1 cap shift in the morning

1 cap/1 scoop norco/alphamine with 1 cap shift in the afternoon is how I'm planning on dosing
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This is what I was thinking as well. I wasn't sure if splitting the Shift to AM/PM would be of benefit or would 2 caps AM be better.

I think I will start my morning dose at 1 Shift/1 Norco to see how I feel. Then add the 2nd cap of Norco or 1 scoop Alphamine to that.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
No, but do you have experience with higher levels of forskolin? You'd be adding 50 mg on top of what is already in AnaBeta Elite.
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I have not had any issues with the standard does from ABE, but I guess we shall see if I do. But overall you think that stack is ok? If for some reason it does cause me issues, which one would you remove?
 
cdnbum88 said:
I have not had any issues with the standard does from ABE, but I guess we shall see if I do. But overall you think that stack is ok? If for some reason it does cause me issues, which one would you remove?
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Yeah, I think that stack is great. If you had to pick one over the other, I would say it depends on your current goal. Although you can use either for any goal, traditionally I would use AnaBeta Elite for a bulk and Shift for a cut. But again, that is just if you really had to choose one.
 
cdnbum88 said:
I have not had any issues with the standard does from ABE, but I guess we shall see if I do. But overall you think that stack is ok? If for some reason it does cause me issues, which one would you remove?
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If you did end up having issues it would just depend on what you are looking for most. If it is really a cutting cycle emphasis then stick with Shift in that situation.

But you may not notice any issues and be able to continue both.

Edit: what he said above haha
 
bolt10 said:
If you did end up having issues it would just depend on what you are looking for most. If it is really a cutting cycle emphasis then stick with Shift in that situation.

But you may not notice any issues and be able to continue both.

Edit: what he said above haha
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My plan is cutting at this point. So I guess we will see how this goes starting Monday. Thanks for the input.
 
Can't wait to see the logs go up using this.
 
JudoJosh said:
Can't wait to see the logs go up using this.
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Any idea when the Analyzed stock is going to be refreshed? I was needing some F95 this weekend when I realized that the 2 bottles of it that I thought I had were actually AmentoMax lol. I ended up going with another 95% product to hold me over but I prefer using AS.
 
Mr. Cooper, what are your thoughts on EGCg? I'm surprised it isn't in any PES products, as I thought it was legit for fat burning.

Would you think it would synergize well with Shift on an empty stomach? 2 caps Shift 2 caps 800mg(400 egcg)?
 
carmaf said:
Mr. Cooper, what are your thoughts on EGCg? I'm surprised it isn't in any PES products, as I thought it was legit for fat burning.

Would you think it would synergize well with Shift on an empty stomach? 2 caps Shift 2 caps 800mg(400 egcg)?
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pretty sure green tea negatively effects testosterone a bit
 
carmaf said:
Mr. Cooper, what are your thoughts on EGCg? I'm surprised it isn't in any PES products, as I thought it was legit for fat burning.

Would you think it would synergize well with Shift on an empty stomach? 2 caps Shift 2 caps 800mg(400 egcg)?
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It's more safety than anything else. EGCG is indeed proven to work but the effects are extremely mild. On the flip side, it is the most common supplemental cause of hepatitis. We don't know why and it frankly makes no sense to me, but even in my medical education, along with the long list of hepatotoxic drugs we learned, green tea extract was also on the list due to so many cases around the world.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
It's more safety than anything else. EGCG is indeed proven to work but the effects are extremely mild. On the flip side, it is the most common supplemental cause of hepatitis. We don't know why and it frankly makes no sense to me, but even in my medical education, along with the long list of hepatotoxic drugs we learned, green tea extract was also on the list due to so many cases around the world.
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Quick question, I dont want to derail the thread...practically speaking, is the only difference between green tea extract and the tea bags the quantity of actives you are ingesting (as in much much less with the latter)?

So, if as you are fond of saying, "the dose is the poison", drinking a couple of cups of green tea per day is not likely to produce a risk factor (but also not likely to produce much benefits)?
 
NewAgeMayan said:
Quick question, I dont want to derail the thread...practically speaking, is the only difference between green tea extract and the tea bags the quantity of actives you are ingesting (as in much much less with the latter)?

So, if as you are fond of saying, "the dose is the poison", drinking a couple of cups of green tea per day is not likely to produce a risk factor (but also not likely to produce much benefits)?
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Zero risk.. There is very little EGCG in a cup of green tea...hence why green tea as a drink, contrary to common belief, doesn't help burn fat
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Zero risk.. There is very little EGCG in a cup of green tea...hence why green tea as a drink, contrary to common belief, doesn't help burn fat
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Wow I never knew this. I've been taking green tea extract for years. One daily for at least two. I'm assuming I should back it down, but how much? I found taking it so often really lowered how many times I got sick
 
Cooper, so....I understand that more than 2 pills/day is not recommended. Is there a known risk to 4 pills/day? Or is it just not recommended? I like playing with doses when something works...as you said, the dose is the poison :)
 
I know the reps can't "recommend" this but you guys see any issues with adding shift to my current DCP 2.0, Norco and E stack. The E and synephrine together have me wondering

I do 2 caps norco with E in the AM
And 1 cap norco, 100mg caffeine, and E in the afternoon. Want to add 1 cap shift to each dose.

*the dcp 2.0 is 2 caps taken 20mins before breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
 
HIT4ME said:
Cooper, so....I understand that more than 2 pills/day is not recommended. Is there a known risk to 4 pills/day? Or is it just not recommended? I like playing with doses when something works...as you said, the dose is the poison :)
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The recommended dose is based on research, so please follow the directions.
 
De__eB said:
But double dosing everything = double gains, right?
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lol I know everybody always wants more, but since it's not prop blended, it's pretty easy to see everything is dosed nicely. I'm sure people are going to combine this with stims and the last thing I want is people double dosing and stacking it with stims on top of that
 
Synapsin said:
lol I know everybody always wants more, but since it's not prop blended, it's pretty easy to see everything is dosed nicely. I'm sure people are going to combine this with stims and the last thing I want is people double dosing and stacking it with stims on top of that
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Right, like you say, the doses are disclosed.

The effective doses of most of the ingredients can be reasonably gleaned from research, and the product is dosed in effective ranges.

My mindset has generally been that if I feel the need to overdose a product, it's probably an indicator that something is deficient about the product.

Overdosing things just because is one of the big reasons why we (the industry) can't have nice things
 
there is also the problem of people "feeling" it working. People have a tendency to think if they cant feel it, then it isn't working and need to take more.

Trust us, the product is properly dosed and doesnt need more. You will just be wasting your money and potential fat loss progress.

I mean, has PES ever steered you guys wrong before? Stick with the 2 caps a day, you wont be disappointed..
 
Gonna start this up tomorrow. How log after dosing should I wait before eating something? 8 weeks or 12 weeks before cycling off?
 
so will 6 caps be cool? ;)



can't wait to get mine though might wait to run it with some erase pro and target a2
 
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