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I'm a 35 year old male suffering with low testosterone, I was on TRT for close to 3.5 years & my sperm count went to 0. My wife and I are about to go through an IUI with hopes of getting her pregnant. A quick story on me, some doctors state your count can go up within 4 months after ceasing testosterone & with the help of climid/HCG. However I was significantly shut down and took me 1 full year to get my count back up (80 million), HCG and Clomid may have slightly helped but I can tell you from my personal experience that I don't respond very well to HCG. It's FSH or nothing to signal my pituitary to do it's job correctly. My wife and I want a couple children so I need some advice as to how to proceed. I don't feel that injectable or transdermal testosterone is best for preserving my fertility even with taking concomitant HCG or even FSH. My primary care physician is a firm believer in a product called Natesto, in fact I'm seeing her about a month from now. I have read reports where men's fertility was preserved through it's use, some might say why not just stick with clomid. I've been on clomid too long now and it has decreased my sex drive and I don't feel great on it. Has anyone on this forum ever had any experience with Natesto vs. taking an OTC PCT supplement or test booster? Thank you.
 

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Why don’t you think injectable or transdermal test won’t help? I googled natesto, it’s literally nasal testosterone gel. If you don’t think transdermal will help, nasal won’t really be different.
 

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Jeremy I appreciate your response there is a clinical study going on right now with natesto to find out if it holds up to its claim of preserving sperm count while boosting testosterone. Unlike TD and injectable this drug doesnt stay in the system long enough to inhibit LH and FSH production so it claims. This is radically different than androgel and injectable testosterone.
 
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You'd probably get better results from 10mg injectable testosterone daily. Use a .5cc insulin syringe to measure it out. Emeric Delczeg is the first person I know of promoting it. Natesto is still transdermal testosterone in a nasal delivery system. If you take enough to relieve symptoms of low T then it will impact fertility and natural LH/FSH. I've read you're not responsive to hCG and this points to being primary vs secondary. hCG tends to stimulate the Leydig cells more than the Sertoli cells and would explain why FSH works better for you.

Your doctor is not correct, straight off the warnings from the product.

Sperm counts: This medication may reduce sperm counts if high doses are used or if it is used for a prolonged period.
 
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I'm a 35 year old male suffering with low testosterone, I was on TRT for close to 3.5 years & my sperm count went to 0. My wife and I are about to go through an IUI with hopes of getting her pregnant. A quick story on me, some doctors state your count can go up within 4 months after ceasing testosterone & with the help of climid/HCG. However I was significantly shut down and took me 1 full year to get my count back up (80 million), HCG and Clomid may have slightly helped but I can tell you from my personal experience that I don't respond very well to HCG. It's FSH or nothing to signal my pituitary to do it's job correctly. My wife and I want a couple children so I need some advice as to how to proceed. I don't feel that injectable or transdermal testosterone is best for preserving my fertility even with taking concomitant HCG or even FSH. My primary care physician is a firm believer in a product called Natesto, in fact I'm seeing her about a month from now. I have read reports where men's fertility was preserved through it's use, some might say why not just stick with clomid. I've been on clomid too long now and it has decreased my sex drive and I don't feel great on it. Has anyone on this forum ever had any experience with Natesto vs. taking an OTC PCT supplement or test booster? Thank you.
Man, I wish people would learn to format text better.
After a quick scan.

  • TRT 3.5 years.
  • 0 Sperm.
  • You now want kids. (Clomid etc. failed)
The stuff you want to do is all about preservation, and it looks like you've lost yours already. Here's an option for you.

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Adopt.
 

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Look into Triptorelin, a 100mcg dose of tripto creates a strong GnRH signal to the pituitary -> release LH & FSH which subsequently cause increased T synthesis and spermatogenesis via WORKING testes
 
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Look into Triptorelin, a 100mcg dose of tripto creates a strong GnRH signal to the pituitary -> release LH & FSH which subsequently cause increased T synthesis and spermatogenesis via WORKING testes
The problem lies with finding real triptorelin. I know they typically come in 100mcg vials, some don’t. So, OP if you go this route ensure you ONLY take 100mcg or you can chemically castrate your self (I guess you haven’t produced sperm anyhow, so that doesn’t matter really.)
 

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I'm a 35 year old male suffering with low testosterone, I was on TRT for close to 3.5 years & my sperm count went to 0. My wife and I are about to go through an IUI with hopes of getting her pregnant. A quick story on me, some doctors state your count can go up within 4 months after ceasing testosterone & with the help of climid/HCG. However I was significantly shut down and took me 1 full year to get my count back up (80 million), HCG and Clomid may have slightly helped but I can tell you from my personal experience that I don't respond very well to HCG. It's FSH or nothing to signal my pituitary to do it's job correctly. My wife and I want a couple children so I need some advice as to how to proceed. I don't feel that injectable or transdermal testosterone is best for preserving my fertility even with taking concomitant HCG or even FSH. My primary care physician is a firm believer in a product called Natesto, in fact I'm seeing her about a month from now. I have read reports where men's fertility was preserved through it's use, some might say why not just stick with clomid. I've been on clomid too long now and it has decreased my sex drive and I don't feel great on it. Has anyone on this forum ever had any experience with Natesto vs. taking an OTC PCT supplement or test booster? Thank you.
This study was saying "Available data has demonstrated that a low dosage of TU (40 mg t.i.d.) combined with tamoxifen can be used in treating idiopathic male infertility, does not reduce sperm quality and enhances the pregnancy rate more than when tamoxifen is used alone.2 Currently, TU is mainly used clinically at 40 or 80 mg per day for treating male infertility." Unfortunately, I dont think we can get nebido in the US as of yet.

 
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I was in your position super low test. My Dr had me come off everything no pct no trt just everything. After approx 2 months my wife became pregnant
 
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I was in your position super low test. My Dr had me come off everything no pct no trt just everything. After approx 2 months my wife became pregnant
How the hell did you even manage to have an erection bro lmao if I went off trt my dick would be soft as a noodle even on 20mg cialis
 
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How the hell did you even manage to have an erection bro lmao if I went off trt my dick would be soft as a noodle even on 20mg cialis
Just one of the lucky ones I had been on for approx 2years when I came off everything completely cold Turkey and normal body function stayed
 
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I've been on TRT 10yrs and have done several runs of trestolone, as well as a couple cruises on trest. I'm sure my count must be in the negatives now LOL. Hoping triptorelin will actually work on me one day.
 
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I've been on TRT 10yrs and have done several runs of trestolone, as well as a couple cruises on trest. I'm sure my count must be in the negatives now LOL. Hoping triptorelin will actually work on me one day.
This is the only part that worries me about TRT lol the having kids part. But from studies I’ve read after 12 months guys have gotten their counts back up without taking anything at all so maybe it’s just a waiting game for you op
 
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I've been on TRT 10yrs and have done several runs of trestolone, as well as a couple cruises on trest. I'm sure my count must be in the negatives now LOL. Hoping triptorelin will actually work on me one day.
This is the only part that worries me about TRT lol the having kids part. But from studies I’ve read after 12 months guys have gotten their counts back up without taking anything at all so maybe it’s just a waiting game for you op
 
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Maybe try HCG with HMG...
How is your wife's fertility and what not, is she all checked up, and good to go?

Either way, I would start to save up some money to either adopt, or to have your sperm harvested and have invitro done. You did say you had sperm right just not much.
 

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I was in the same boat some years ago, TRT for 3,5 years+zero sperm count, came off and started HCG+Clomid (only did HCG for 1 month but continued the Clomid), after about 2 months my wife got pregnant. The difference between you and I seems to be that I respond well to Clomid, what dosage are you using?
 
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I was in the same boat some years ago, TRT for 3,5 years+zero sperm count, came off and started HCG+Clomid (only did HCG for 1 month but continued the Clomid), after about 2 months my wife got pregnant. The difference between you and I seems to be that I respond well to Clomid, what dosage are you using?
Did you go back on trt after?
 
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No, I never did. I been off now for 4 yrs, feel good, test in high 400’s, I might go back on later but as of now it’s no need to.
Damn that’s surprising, good thing.
 

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Damn that’s surprising, good thing.
Yeah I’m happy, I do some light cycles (mostly orals) here and there and have a script for Clomid that I use when I feel I need a little extra “boost”.
 
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Yeah I’m happy, I do some light cycles (mostly orals) here and there and have a script for Clomid that I use when I feel I need a little extra “boost”.
How did you adapt though bro? Like how did you go from trt (high end total test and probably more energy, better moodbetc etc) to going back to lower levels? I can’t believe you feel the same?
 

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How did you adapt though bro? Like how did you go from trt (high end total test and probably more energy, better moodbetc etc) to going back to lower levels? I can’t believe you feel the same?
Well, mentally wise I never felt a difference on any steroid, I’m naturally confident and positive. The biggest difference is body wise, I miss that “roid look”, lol, the pumped look I had no matter what I ate, I miss that a lot!
I was also extremely horney, I don’t miss that, it’s annoying to walk around with a boner all the time... 😳
 
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Ya lol well I love that feeling. My girlfriend wants to have sex twice a night at least and there’s no freaking way I would be able or WANT to do that without my elevated libido and sex drive lol. Girls are freaky nowadays
 
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Ya lol well I love that feeling. My girlfriend wants to have sex twice a night at least and there’s no freaking way I would be able or WANT to do that without my elevated libido and sex drive lol. Girls are freaky nowadays
I hear that! Lol I was using caber + phenibut + pt141 with my ex and she had me going 4x in a row every Saturday and Sunday morning
Those are also great sex aids that don’t require high test.
 
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I hear that! Lol I was using caber + phenibut + pt141 with my ex and she had me going 4x in a row every Saturday and Sunday morning
Those are also great sex aids that don’t require high test.
That just goes to say like... how often girls are not satisfied with their sex lifes.. like let’s be honest a regular guy can’t go 4-5 times a night and just manage to get it hard fast. When a girl get a guy that can (obviously because of what we take) they just always turn into monsters... even the ones that thought they weren’t sexual person... they always become One.
 
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I hear that! Lol I was using caber + phenibut + pt141 with my ex and she had me going 4x in a row every Saturday and Sunday morning
Those are also great sex aids that don’t require high test.
CABER! Dude you guys want to be a porn star??? Step one: take caber lol. It shortens your refractory period. You can do it, wait 30min, do it, wait 30min and do it etc.

Caber also makes me feel AMAZING and makes it really easy to focus on whatever im doing. Caber really helps me be in "the zone" and its crazy how good you can feel from all the dopamine. Blood pressure must be watched on that stuff though.

For some reason nolva gets me really horny too I have no clue why. It shoots my libido through the roof
 
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Wait 30 mins and do it? Am i just something else or what cause ever since i jumped on trt (now never go below cruise dose) I can have sex, go clean my dick and about 3-4 minutes later I’m hard and ready to go, it’ll take 3-4 times before I need more than 3 mins lol. **** is crazy
 
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Wait 30 mins and do it? Am i just something else or what cause ever since i jumped on trt (now never go below cruise dose) I can have sex, go clean my dick and about 3-4 minutes later I’m hard and ready to go, it’ll take 3-4 times before I need more than 3 mins lol. **** is crazy
I can smash like 5x in a row with like 2 min of rest but I don’t finish every time. I don’t know how people make that happen, that’s just wild
 
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That just goes to say like... how often girls are not satisfied with their sex lifes.. like let’s be honest a regular guy can’t go 4-5 times a night and just manage to get it hard fast. When a girl get a guy that can (obviously because of what we take) they just always turn into monsters... even the ones that thought they weren’t sexual person... they always become One.
Yup, exactly. This one even told me she used to hate morning sex, and that no guy would keep going or even be interesting in keeping things going after nutting once.
 
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CABER! Dude you guys want to be a porn star??? Step one: take caber lol. It shortens your refractory period. You can do it, wait 30min, do it, wait 30min and do it etc.

Caber also makes me feel AMAZING and makes it really easy to focus ob whatever im doing. Caber really helps me be in "the zone" and its crazy how goos you can feel from all the dopamine. Blood pressure must be watched on that stuff though.

For some reason nolva gets me really horny too I have no clue why. It shoots my libido through the roof
Sublingual caber with a bunch of phenibut is godlike. Phenibut is so amazing for sex too, huge boost in dopamine.
 
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I can smash like 5x in a row with like 2 min of rest but I don’t finish every time. I don’t know how people make that happen, that’s just wild
I can nut 4x in a row, with the right woman =D But if you master edging, you will be able to nut a full shot or two without having a full orgasm.
 
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I can nut 4x in a row, with the right woman =D But if you master edging, you will be able to nut a full shot or two without having a full orgasm.
My girl can’t go more than twice anyway, she gets too sore and can’t walk if we try for a 3rd. My ex used to go like 5x but she was crazy and she liked not being able to walk.
 
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My girl can’t go more than twice anyway, she gets too sore and can’t walk if we try for a 3rd. My ex used to go like 5x but she was crazy and she liked not being able to walk.
Haha yeah that's what I meant by the right woman :) This ex of mine was really turned on that I was into bdsm and she liked it really rough/kinky, and lots of it. She and I only had sex in common though unfortunately...
 
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Haha yeah that's what I meant by the right woman :) This ex of mine was really turned on that I was into bdsm and she liked it really rough/kinky, and lots of it. She and I only had sex in common though unfortunately...
Yeah you gotta go with the more long term option, though I do miss the days where I had sex like 7 or 8 times in a day in college. **** we had sex when I had shoulder surgery lol. I just let that thing dangle there cause I couldn’t move it and we went at it
 
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Lol that’s funny. I can’t remember if I was having sex or not with my ex after my shoulder surgery. I remember having to sleep upright in the corner (bed pushed into corner of my room) so I wouldn’t roll over. Bad memories lol I try to block out that period of my life.
 
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Lol that’s funny. I can’t remember if I was having sex or not with my ex after my shoulder surgery. I remember having to sleep upright in the corner (bed pushed into corner of my room) so I wouldn’t roll over. Bad memories lol I try to block out that period of my life.
Lol 2 days after shoulder surgery I was sleeping on my back so 2 days after surgery I was going at it. Glad I had my ex during that though cause making the bed was a pain in the arse
 
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Wait 30 mins and do it? Am i just something else or what cause ever since i jumped on trt (now never go below cruise dose) I can have sex, go clean my dick and about 3-4 minutes later I’m hard and ready to go, it’ll take 3-4 times before I need more than 3 mins lol. **** is crazy
You're definitely something else. I'm jealous.
 
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I’ve been on a constant blast or cruise state though. No chance in hell I could do that naturally but yeah I react strongly to testosterone
I’m like that on tren LOL
I have a need to go 3x in a row every night, once or twice in the morning.
 
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So five times a day you are busting. Fantastic. You are one lucky man.
 
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So five times a day you are busting. Fantastic. You are one lucky man.
Not really busting. After two times I don’t really "bust" I’ll have sort of a weird orgarms and nothing comes out. Nothing comes out usually anyways cause I’m on trt.
 
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I was four times a day on tren and prami (and phenibut before the longest sessions). It was pretty great.
 
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Was the desire still there each time? How soon after you busted were you hard again?
 
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Tons of desire. I was extremely sexually attracted to the woman I was dating then and when she wasn’t around, my hand took over. Sometimes I’d stay hard, other times it was 2-3min, and other times longer because I’d just keep doing stuff to her right after I finish and then go at it again after a while.
 
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2-3 minutes is incredible. Even at age 14 I could not do that.
 
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I can still do it off-cycle by using caber sublingually along with some phenibut and a few pulls of my THC vape before sex. Great combo.

As a point of reference, I'm almost 42 yrs old now too. I also never was able to do this as a teen.
 
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Better living through chemistry. Will need to try me some caber.
 

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