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mxmadman

mxmadman

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Now, I know these posts get tiresome (I've read through enough of them to know) but seeing as this is my first real cycle I'd like to put my pre-cycle jitters at ease. Please share any insight or concerns about my plans.

Age - 21 (On the young side, I know)
Height - 5'10''
Weight - 180 lbs
Bodyfat - 10%
Lifting Experience - 4 years (1 dedicated)
PH/DS/AAS Exp. - Advanced Muscle Science stack: 4-AD, 1-AD (6 weeks, lackluster experience)

Now that that is out of the way, this will be my first cycle of anything stronger than the A.M.S. stack above.

H-Drol by Competitive Edge Labs - 50/50/75/75/75/75

Note: Length and doses are subject to change based on my reaction.

After much internal conflict and one sleepless night, I've decided to use an OTC PCT for the cycle. Before the question arises...
I HAVE A SERM ON HAND *TAMOX. CITRATE*

My projected PCT is as follows:

Inhibit-E by SNS - 75/50/50/25 (This is an ATD)
Blue Up-Stim Free by Controlled Labs - As directed.

SUPER SIMPLE, and I'd like to keep it that way. Should anything arise, I work in a supplement store, so I have almost immediate access.

IF, and ONLY IF, the need arises will I use nolva, but heres how it would go down.

Nolvadex - 30/20/10/10 (Or 20/20/10/10)

Of course, I will be (and have been for a week already) running Cycle Assist by Competitive Edge Labs throughout my cycle and PCT.

Any questions/comments/flames are appreciated.

Does my cycle pass or fail the Anabolic Minds criteria?
 
mxmadman said:
Now, I know these posts get tiresome (I've read through enough of them to know) but seeing as this is my first real cycle I'd like to put my pre-cycle jitters at ease. Please share any insight or concerns about my plans.

Age - 21 (On the young side, I know)
Height - 5'10''
Weight - 180 lbs
Bodyfat - 10%
Lifting Experience - 4 years (1 dedicated)
PH/DS/AAS Exp. - Advanced Muscle Science stack: 4-AD, 1-AD (6 weeks, lackluster experience)

Now that that is out of the way, this will be my first cycle of anything stronger than the A.M.S. stack above.

H-Drol by Competitive Edge Labs - 50/50/75/75/75/75

Note: Length and doses are subject to change based on my reaction.

After much internal conflict and one sleepless night, I've decided to use an OTC PCT for the cycle. Before the question arises...
I HAVE A SERM ON HAND *TAMOX. CITRATE*

My projected PCT is as follows:

Inhibit-E by SNS - 75/50/50/25 (This is an ATD)
Blue Up-Stim Free by Controlled Labs - As directed.

SUPER SIMPLE, and I'd like to keep it that way. Should anything arise, I work in a supplement store, so I have almost immediate access.

IF, and ONLY IF, the need arises will I use nolva, but heres how it would go down.

Nolvadex - 30/20/10/10 (Or 20/20/10/10)

Of course, I will be (and have been for a week already) running Cycle Assist by Competitive Edge Labs throughout my cycle and PCT.

Any questions/comments/flames are appreciated.

Does my cycle pass or fail the Anabolic Minds criteria?
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Sure, have fun and good luck.
 
TripDog said:
Sure, have fun and good luck.
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:thumbsup: I was expecting some more criticism. Atleast it shows I've done some research, haha.

How about something people don't normally ask...

This cycle is exactly 112 pills. Two bottles is 120 pills. To use those i was thinking...

Start my cycle off with 100/75/75/50/50/50/50 for the first week. Then continue on as planned.

The reasoning behind this is that H-Drol is commonly known as a slower acting DS/PH. Why not kickstart it the first few days?

I realize this will have almost zero effect on my cycle, but why waste the pills?
 
mxmadman said:
:thumbsup: I was expecting some more criticism. Atleast it shows I've done some research, haha.

How about something people don't normally ask...

This cycle is exactly 112 pills. Two bottles is 120 pills. To use those i was thinking...

Start my cycle off with 100/75/75/50/50/50/50 for the first week. Then continue on as planned.

The reasoning behind this is that H-Drol is commonly known as a slower acting DS/PH. Why not kickstart it the first few days?

I realize this will have almost zero effect on my cycle, but why waste the pills?
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U could do that I guess, it won't make a huge difference either way.
 
I'm nervous for your recovery w/ that particular otc pct. IMHO, there are better (also legal) options that what you have chosen to run.

Either way, good luck!
 
ozarkaBRAND said:
I'm nervous for your recovery w/ that particular otc pct. IMHO, there are better (also legal) options that what you have chosen to run.

Either way, good luck!
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Excellent! Let's hear them! My PCT order isn't finalized yet.

I'm always open to suggestions from more experienced users.
 
grila jujitsu said:
sustain alpha
zmk
toco8
trib test
activate xtreme

there are a few that are much better!
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You're really hurting my wallet here =/ any one specific product you would use to replace one or both of the two I have chosen? And, of coures, the reasoning behind it.
 
I wouldn't be nervous at all about recovery. All while Gaspari was selling Halodrol 50, their PCT was "Novedex XT" a simple AI and that's all people used and never a problem. Hdrol is not very suppressive and doens't take much to recover from. in fact i've read many users doing no pct and being just fine... while it's nice to err on the side of safety, it's also nice to keep this guy updated on what's real and what's likely.

your PCT is fine

I would actually only use nolva for PCT, it's actually dirt cheap to run 20/20/20 nolva for pct.
 
UnrealMachine said:
I wouldn't be nervous at all about recovery. All while Gaspari was selling Halodrol 50, their PCT was "Novedex XT" a simple AI and that's all people used and never a problem. Hdrol is not very suppressive and doens't take much to recover from. in fact i've read many users doing no pct and being just fine... while it's nice to err on the side of safety, it's also nice to keep this guy updated on what's real and what's likely.

your PCT is fine

I would actually only use nolva for PCT, it's actually dirt cheap to run 20/20/20 nolva for pct.
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Due to serious worries over internet buying, my nolva wasn't so cheap.. Not sure how much I'm allowed to say here, but I got ripped off in order to make sure I got real stuff without encountering any excess attention.
 
UnrealMachine said:
I wouldn't be nervous at all about recovery. All while Gaspari was selling Halodrol 50, their PCT was "Novedex XT" a simple AI and that's all people used and never a problem. Hdrol is not very suppressive and doens't take much to recover from. in fact i've read many users doing no pct and being just fine... while it's nice to err on the side of safety, it's also nice to keep this guy updated on what's real and what's likely.

your PCT is fine

I would actually only use nolva for PCT, it's actually dirt cheap to run 20/20/20 nolva for pct.
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I disagree, just because gaspari said that nolvedex xt was a sufficient pct for halo doesn't mean that it is! really man, i would not quote people who used no pct.

man you could just use nolva standalone for your pct. i would start it at week one with 20mg then go down to 10mg for the rest of your pct. buy yourself a good cort blocker for weeks 3 and 4 of pct slowly ramp the dose down. lastly if i were you i would buy some activate xtreme for weeks 1-4 of pct. the nolva will help wit HPTA shutdown and the other supps will fight cort and help free up test.

there you go bro. that's all you need!
 
Problem said:
That PCT is used alot with success. No need to waste money on a simple cycle.

Goodluck.
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oy... i dont see how it could... halo is not estrogenic and therefore using an ai for pct would just lower what ever estrogen you do have! you need estro for test rebound! you need estro for muscle growth!

:trout:
 
grila jujitsu said:
oy... i dont see how it could... halo is not estrogenic and therefore using an ai for pct would just lower what ever estrogen you do have! you need estro for test rebound! you need estro for muscle growth!

:trout:
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I was thinking about going to 6-Bromo for my PCT since ATD's have gotten a sort of bad rap. Restore, or aPCT was what I was thinking. Anyone care to chime in on that?

Also, which cost effective test booster would you suggest I use to replace Blue-Up? Or is Blue-Up just fine?


Damnit I keep second-guessing myself... maybe i should just use nolva.
 
Your overthinking this whole thing. I would use the Nolva 20/20/10 and possibly another 10 but its up to u. If you have blue up then i would use it. Thats it, theres no reason to complicate what should be a breeze through PCT.
 
grila jujitsu said:
oy... i dont see how it could... halo is not estrogenic and therefore using an ai for pct would just lower what ever estrogen you do have! you need estro for test rebound! you need estro for muscle growth!

:trout:
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That's true, but with a 75mg 50mg and 25mg of ATD, you won't be killing your estrogen.

ATD has an effect on LH, more test, more estrogen and that where ATD comes into play.

I never used OTC AIs before as a standalone for PCT, and always used a SERM. he should do that, but he's complaining about the cost.
 
Problem said:
That's true, but with a 75mg 50mg and 25mg of ATD, you won't be killing your estrogen.

ATD has an effect on LH, more test, more estrogen and that where ATD comes into play.

I never used OTC AIs before as a standalone for PCT, and always used a SERM. he should do that, but he's complaining about the cost.
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i agree a serm is always needed. ATD is great, but it's affects on lh are small and i would rather use something like sustain for lh and keep my estro to help my test build up.

Bottom line is he should not complain about the cost of a cycle. that is something that comes with it. plus, if you want to be responsible to your body, then you will throw down the money!

this is not some supp that will get you a pound of muscle and some strength. this is a steroid and you need to be willing to spend the money to protect your self.
 
I guess I'll just use the nolva and try to find it cheaper next time. Just afraid of purchasing via the net.
 
UnrealMachine said:
I wouldn't be nervous at all about recovery. All while Gaspari was selling Halodrol 50, their PCT was "Novedex XT" a simple AI and that's all people used and never a problem. Hdrol is not very suppressive and doens't take much to recover from. in fact i've read many users doing no pct and being just fine... while it's nice to err on the side of safety, it's also nice to keep this guy updated on what's real and what's likely.

your PCT is fine

I would actually only use nolva for PCT, it's actually dirt cheap to run 20/20/20 nolva for pct.
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Lol, wasn't the original Halodrol-50 a 50/50 mix of halo/phera also? :lol:
 
I'm just gonna run Nolva at 20/20/20, price be damned. Also going to run Blue-Up for some natty test boosting with the pct. Should I run nolva 20/20/10/10 or 20/20/20 do you think? Prolly wont make too much of a difference, i could probably run this at 10/10/10 and I'd still be in good shape, but better safe than sorry.
 
mxmadman said:
I'm just gonna run Nolva at 20/20/20, price be damned. Also going to run Blue-Up for some natty test boosting with the pct. Should I run nolva 20/20/10/10 or 20/20/20 do you think? Prolly wont make too much of a difference, i could probably run this at 10/10/10 and I'd still be in good shape, but better safe than sorry.
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y blue up? why not activate xtreme. run the nolva 10/10/10/10
 
I can't find anyone who has it in stock! haha. Been looking for it since you mentioned it, but I'm fairly certain either the manuf. is out, or they discontinued it. Is it under a new name now? You're talking about the D.S. version, yes?
 
Rugger said:
Hope ya didn't pay more than 60 bucks!
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eh... Its prescription tamox... don't hate me for paying too much my first time.. at any rate, i did some research for the tamox i will be USING for this cycle, and i'll hold on to the other stuff if/when i need it, since i know its legit.
 
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Anyone out there in AM-land want to see a log of this? Theres a ton out there, but few are H-Drol solo logs..
 
I think you should just run dis $hit and use a natty test booster for pct and call it good. Just have the nolva on hand in case you end up needing it(doubt you'll need it though). Just take vit-c if your worried about cort control! No need to overkill pct for such a mild compound imo!
 
Ok I'll do a log then. Awesome, I'll probably do all the background info post tonight and prepare for my cycle, then do updates 3-4 times per week. Thanks for all of the help guys!!
 
grila jujitsu said:
I disagree, just because gaspari said that nolvedex xt was a sufficient pct for halo doesn't mean that it is! really man, i would not quote people who used no pct.

man you could just use nolva standalone for your pct. i would start it at week one with 20mg then go down to 10mg for the rest of your pct. buy yourself a good cort blocker for weeks 3 and 4 of pct slowly ramp the dose down. lastly if i were you i would buy some activate xtreme for weeks 1-4 of pct. the nolva will help wit HPTA shutdown and the other supps will fight cort and help free up test.

there you go bro. that's all you need!
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Most people have not tried both types of PCT, so I believe it would be pretty hard for them to give you an honest, unbiased opinion.

I have used Hdrol numerous times using both OTC PCT and SERM PCT and to be 100% honest here. I had better ending results with the ATD/Activate Extreme PCT over using Nolva. I know the science and rationale most people uses to come to the conclusion that a SERM is needed for PCT, but in the case of HDrol I don't believe this to be true. I know first hand and result speak for themselves.

By the way in case you were wondering, both cycles were the same dosage 50/50/75/75/75. My diet was exactly the same for each cycle. Each cycle yielded 9-10lbs before PCT. However, PCT was a different story. With the SERM I ended up losing 4lbs the first time and 5 lbs the second time ending with a 5-6lb total gain. With ATD/Activate Extreme pct I only lost 2lbs each time with a 8lb total gain each time.

Just my 2 cents on my own experiences. Whatever you decide to do you should see good results either way. Good luck brotha:thumbsup:
 
stl123 said:
By the way in case you were wondering, both cycles were the same dosage 50/50/75/75/75. My diet was exactly the same for each cycle. Each cycle yielded 9-10lbs before PCT. However, PCT was a different story. With the SERM I ended up losing 4lbs the first time and 5 lbs the second time ending with a 5-6lb total gain. With ATD/Activate Extreme pct I only lost 2lbs each time with a 8lb total gain each time.
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The reason behind that discrepancy probably lies with water retention. SERMs effectively eliminate water retention by suppressing estrogenic effects. Non-steroidal AIs do this too (even better so arguably due to nearly 100% estrogen suppression); however, ATD is a steroidal inhibitor which is marginally less effective (~80% estrogen suppression).

It is possible that the remaining estrogen is aiding in water retention and giving you that extra pound or two.
 
tim1985 said:
Lol, wasn't the original Halodrol-50 a 50/50 mix of halo/phera also? :lol:
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Yea the first batch was. The second batch was just halodrol (scored package inserts).
 
WeightShift said:
The reason behind that discrepancy probably lies with water retention. SERMs effectively eliminate water retention by suppressing estrogenic effects. Non-steroidal AIs do this too (even better so arguably due to nearly 100% estrogen suppression); however, ATD is a steroidal inhibitor which is marginally less effective (~80% estrogen suppression).

It is possible that the remaining estrogen is aiding in water retention and giving you that extra pound or two.
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This is probably true.

I was just making a long winded point that otc pct is sufficient enough for HDrol and the clones.

I also forgot to add that during PCT I felt way better both mentally and physically with the otc pct as opposed to the Nolva.
 
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