Second PH bulk cycle

virtualzebra

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Did a cycle of SDMZ 2.0 a few months back-ate and trained like an animal, made great gains, went from 170-195. After PCT I'm hovering between 190 and 185.

How do I follow this up? I'm not interested in cutting, and would love to be bigger! Strength gains would be sweet too.
 
virtualzebra said:
Did a cycle of SDMZ 2.0 a few months back-ate and trained like an animal, made great gains, went from 170-195. After PCT I'm hovering between 190 and 185.

How do I follow this up? I'm not interested in cutting, and would love to be bigger! Strength gains would be sweet too.
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Sdmz for first cycle? Damn. I would recommend a something with tren if you want strength and size. Maybe epi tren. Or dmz and tren if you want crazy size and strength.
Be sure to get a anti prolactin for the tren though, it can cause gyno. I'd recommend inhibit p which is %10 off at best price nutrition right now with promo sns10. This makes it very cheap!
 
Yeah, tren is the only good (strong) non methyl out there IMO. Stack that with something else and you will have great gainz. And don't forget the inhibit P like reps4jesus said.

I would go for a recomp. Cut fat and put on muscle.
 
The OP wants to bulk. All the options ppl are proposing are more cut/recomp cycles.

I'd consider combos like high dose DMZ and trest, high dose alpha-1 and trest, or high dose msten and trest. Trest is the best stacked agent for a bulk. If you liked sdmz 2.0 you could also run methadrol extreme or sdmz 3.0 with trest.

That's about as strong as an oral cycle gets.
 
Another option:


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3 methyls is to much.
we where recommending new things not just the same thing he did last cycle plus another compound. However, I do think high dose dmz with trest/tren would make for a good cycle. Tren is not just a cutting compound. It's diet dependent.
 
Meh trenavar isn't useful for bulking. Even real tren isn't the best for bulking. I think sdmz 3 is fine but another option would be to run higher dose dmz (60-75 mg) with trest.

Running trest and tren is sort of a nightmare to control estrogen because both have very strong estrogen metabolites, you'd prolly need adex at high dose.
 
Mystere3 said:
Meh trenavar isn't useful for bulking. Even real tren isn't the best for bulking. I think sdmz 3 is fine but another option would be to run higher dose dmz (60-75 mg) with trest.

Running trest and tren is sort of a nightmare to control estrogen because both have very strong estrogen metabolites, you'd prolly need adex at high dose.
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I'll never run anything without TR3ST again.
 
Mystere3 said:
Meh trenavar isn't useful for bulking. Even real tren isn't the best for bulking. I think sdmz 3 is fine but another option would be to run higher dose dmz (60-75 mg) with trest.

Running trest and tren is sort of a nightmare to control estrogen because both have very strong estrogen metabolites, you'd prolly need adex at high dose.
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I said trest/tren as in pick one. Not run both of them. That's asking for sides. High dose dmz would be a solid bulk. A guy in another thread gained like 10 pounds off of a solo trenavar cycle that I don't believe was super high doses. Stack it with high dmz and your looking at a big size and strength increase while also keeping the same bf or decreasing. Depending on diet.
 
reps4jesus said:
I said trest/tren as in pick one. Not run both of them. That's asking for sides. High dose dmz would be a solid bulk. A guy in another thread gained like 10 pounds off of a solo trenavar cycle that I don't believe was super high doses. Stack it with high dmz and your looking at a big size and strength increase while also keeping the same bf or decreasing. Depending on diet.
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That dude was running 150+ mg and lost 6-8 lb in the first few weeks of pct meaning it was all water/glycogen.

I've run real tren 5+ times at up to 500 mg/wk; it's not the best bulking steroid; much better for recomp/adding mass while losing fat.

Honestly methadrol extreme would be a fantastic bulking agent; msten, dmz, and max LMG. Another option would be m1-4add, LMG, and msten or dmz. Trest could be added to any of those. I think a wet agent with an AI is optimal for a bulk; my agent of choice is dbol but if you are sticking to legal m1-4add or maybe that new methyl-dbol would be an option.
 
Thanks for all the responses guys!

I've always heard of Epi used for cutting- any examples/logs where it's used with a caloric surplus?

Everything I've been reading about Trest sounds pretty encouraging, would it take care of the lethargy brought on by SDMZ?

I remember feeling so ****ty by week four haha upping the dosage seems crazy UNLESS the Trest would eliminate that.

Thanks again for responses
 
virtualzebra said:
Thanks for all the responses guys!

I've always heard of Epi used for cutting- any examples/logs where it's used with a caloric surplus?

Everything I've been reading about Trest sounds pretty encouraging, would it take care of the lethargy brought on by SDMZ?

I remember feeling so ****ty by week four haha upping the dosage seems crazy UNLESS the Trest would eliminate that.

Thanks again for responses
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I put on solid 15lbs when I first time ran Epi. It's great for bulking too. However, many guys like DMZ better.

TR3ST 50/75/75/75/75/75
DYMETHAZI9E 40/40/40/40/40/60

You'd blow up and that's not a very expensive stack either. One bottle of each is enough and discount code TR3ST15 gives 15% off if you buy TR3ST from nutri-verse.com

Trest would definitely help with lethargy and libido loss. It's also good for your joints.
 
Mystere3 said:
That dude was running 150+ mg and lost 6-8 lb in the first few weeks of pct meaning it was all water/glycogen.

I've run real tren 5+ times at up to 500 mg/wk; it's not the best bulking steroid; much better for recomp/adding mass while losing fat.

Honestly methadrol extreme would be a fantastic bulking agent; msten, dmz, and max LMG. Another option would be m1-4add, LMG, and msten or dmz. Trest could be added to any of those. I think a wet agent with an AI is optimal for a bulk; my agent of choice is dbol but if you are sticking to legal m1-4add or maybe that new methyl-dbol would be an option.
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I'd be interested to see some one run the methyldbol. Stack it with trest and you might have a hell of a cycle. If its not strong enough you could always stack it or bridge. However I see dmz or msten being more worth while.
 
reps4jesus said:
I'd be interested to see some one run the methyldbol. Stack it with trest and you might have a hell of a cycle. If its not strong enough you could always stack it or bridge. However I see dmz or msten being more worth while.
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Yeah, 2a-methyl-dbol hasn't yet proved itself but it's definitely an interesting compound.
 
g0hardorgohom said:
Yeah, 2a-methyl-dbol hasn't yet proved itself but it's definitely an interesting compound.
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2a-methyl is what really interests me, will it be more effective than dbol because of this or?
Only time (and people willing to take a gamble) will tell I suppose.
 
g0hardorgohom said:
I put on solid 15lbs when I first time ran Epi. It's great for bulking too. However, many guys like DMZ better.

TR3ST 50/75/75/75/75/75
DYMETHAZI9E 40/40/40/40/40/60

You'd blow up and that's not a very expensive stack either. One bottle of each is enough and discount code TR3ST15 gives 15% off if you buy TR3ST from nutri-verse.com

Trest would definitely help with lethargy and libido loss. It's also good for your joints.
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How high were you running the Epi?

I was under the impression that dymethazine was more for strength, and the harsher methystenbolone was the real mass component in SDMZ. Of course at $0mg a day, that would be twice as much Dymethazine than SDMZ, but still.

Trest sounds great, what gains are people reporting on it alone? Also, would I need to run an AI with it?

I've heard only disappointing things about 2-methyl dbol products... It's cheap, but 9 caps a day to see any results? Nahhh
 
virtualzebra said:
How high were you running the Epi?

I was under the impression that dymethazine was more for strength, and the harsher methystenbolone was the real mass component in SDMZ. Of course at $0mg a day, that would be twice as much Dymethazine than SDMZ, but still.

Trest sounds great, what gains are people reporting on it alone? Also, would I need to run an AI with it?

I've heard only disappointing things about 2-methyl dbol products... It's cheap, but 9 caps a day to see any results? Nahhh
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I ran it at 30/40/40/40. I had to cut the cycle short because I got bad sinuitis... So I put on 15lbs in 4 weeks.

DMZ is great for size. And so is M-Sten.

Trest is maybe the most potent nonmethyl legally available now. It's great for size and strength and yes, it aromatizes so it's better to at least have a good AI on hand. My recommendation is either Formeron or Aromasin.

You haven't seen 2-methyl dbol logs yet. I think you're confusing it to dbol-oxime.
 
g0hardorgohom said:
I ran it at 30/40/40/40. I had to cut the cycle short because I got bad sinuitis... So I put on 15lbs in 4 weeks.

DMZ is great for size. And so is M-Sten.

Trest is maybe the most potent nonmethyl legally available now. It's great for size and strength and yes, it aromatizes so it's better to at least have a good AI on hand. My recommendation is either Formeron or Aromasin.

You haven't seen 2-methyl dbol logs yet. I think you're confusing it to dbol-oxime.
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I second the vote for Formeron as a good AI option to have on hand

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Lots of good feedback on the forums here. Part of a lot of successful cycles and PCT's.
 
You're right, I was mistaken on the dbol.

Trest just seems expensive... Seems it would be cheaper/potentially better to just shoot some test.

Any thoughts on a superdrol/epi bridge?

Ran at something like:
Sd: 10/20/20/20
Epi: 0/00/00/30/45/45
 
virtualzebra said:
You're right, I was mistaken on the dbol.

Trest just seems expensive... Seems it would be cheaper/potentially better to just shoot some test.

Any thoughts on a superdrol/epi bridge?

Ran at something like:
Sd: 10/20/20/20
Epi: 0/00/00/30/45/45
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3 weeks of epi is useless, it kicks in at week 2 so you would have aprox. 1 week of gains.
 
I haven't seen any logs with 6-8 weeks of SD use, even at a low dose. Anybody got a link?

This is very intriguing to me, anyone familiar with it?
anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/155873-chocolatemilk-hangs-low.html
 
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