SDNG question
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bigschmidt821
Oldtimer
it is per cap
EasyEJL
Never enough
so then someone should educate that BB.com thread, as they were saying how you could duplicate SDNG for under $20/month, but I believe the dosage they looked at was with the above amounts being the whole day total. I could be wrong, I hate reading there, leaves my feeling greasy
thesinner
Recovering AXoholic
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if you homebrew it, you can replicate pretty much any product for cheaper.
The super el-cheapo generic companies don't have the same quality as AX uses. We are also using a trib extract that has never been on the market before. You can attempt to replicate that, but it's kinda like using duct tape instead of nails.
The super el-cheapo generic companies don't have the same quality as AX uses. We are also using a trib extract that has never been on the market before. You can attempt to replicate that, but it's kinda like using duct tape instead of nails.
Viperspit
Well-known member
You need to consider the source of that thread bro
That kid is nothing but a problem child if you look at his history.
EasyEJL
Never enough
You need to consider the source of that thread bro
That kid is nothing but a problem child if you look at his history.
That whole board is bad news if you ask me, I just think its funny as his own logic works against him if he got the dosage wrong
FitnFirm
Banned
That whole board is bad news if you ask me, I just think its funny as his own logic works against him if he got the dosage wrong
We just let them find out the hard way, its more fun :lol:
FitnFirm
Banned
Mind you this still isn't me being supportive of SDNG yet, i'm still an agnostic, just like religion wise
Dont make me come after your puppy
You will try it and you will like it :lol:
Force of Green
Well-known member
you mean this thread?
I looked up what I could about these fancy formula formats and found the same thing this dude did. I actually was looking up the ingedients myself, because the combo reminded me of the Legal Gear Methyl 1-D writeup and layout.
I personally like a few of A/X's products. I happen to LOVE Retain 2. I just would hate to see AX stoop to the level of Legal Gear in terms of the writeup.
To be honest, I've read logs whereas people would use DHEA, fenugreek, and a small dose of a steroidal AI (like ATD) for post cycle therapy for a mild PH cycle. I think that this product does have it's purposes, but it's misdirecting the market IMO. Everyone has his/her own definition of lying; some consider lying to be making a statement that's not true, some consider omitting the truth to be lying.
The only way to figure this out is if A/X will list for us all of the possible names for the ingredient write-out and if it does match out to what has been stated, then we can make our own conclusions.
I remember TheSinner posting something to me something to the point of,"me being a rep doesn't change who I am. If I don't like a product, I'll be the first to say something regardless."
So... TheSinner... what are these ingredients? What's your take on this product? What's your take on the writeup?
I looked up what I could about these fancy formula formats and found the same thing this dude did. I actually was looking up the ingedients myself, because the combo reminded me of the Legal Gear Methyl 1-D writeup and layout.
I personally like a few of A/X's products. I happen to LOVE Retain 2. I just would hate to see AX stoop to the level of Legal Gear in terms of the writeup.
To be honest, I've read logs whereas people would use DHEA, fenugreek, and a small dose of a steroidal AI (like ATD) for post cycle therapy for a mild PH cycle. I think that this product does have it's purposes, but it's misdirecting the market IMO. Everyone has his/her own definition of lying; some consider lying to be making a statement that's not true, some consider omitting the truth to be lying.
The only way to figure this out is if A/X will list for us all of the possible names for the ingredient write-out and if it does match out to what has been stated, then we can make our own conclusions.
I remember TheSinner posting something to me something to the point of,"me being a rep doesn't change who I am. If I don't like a product, I'll be the first to say something regardless."
So... TheSinner... what are these ingredients? What's your take on this product? What's your take on the writeup?
bombBoogie
Active member
Suddenly, I feel so inclined to scribe.
Force of Green
Well-known member
I like the AX reps, so I'm not going to say anything.
EasyEJL
Never enough
Well, that could really only be true for the trib, fenugreek + yohimbine. the other 3 are all available as pharmaceutical grade.
thesinner
Recovering AXoholic
Well, using SDNG is on my "to do" list. So I can't really speak for that. I have a few people I talk to on Gmail, who alpha tested it and really seem to have really enjoyed it.
I think the big problem is that people see the word "Superdrol" and it skews their expectations/opinions of the product. From what I've been told SDNG is fantastic pre-workout. Some of the testers compared it to RPM, but better.
This statement was a bit general for my liking for a couple of reasons.
1- 4-OH-isoleucine naturally occurs in fenugreek seeds at a mass fraction of <1%.
2- The spirostan is also only available in minute quanitities (I'll have to check with D on the more specifics)
So to replicate the effects of the Trigonella Isolates, one would have to eat their NOW fenugreek like M&M's candy.
thesinner
Recovering AXoholic
Yeah, but if you go with the El-cheapo brands
(1) you don't know if the pills are over/under dosed.
(2) They don't always tell you if they are a pharmaceutical grade.
You are correct though, you can probably find DHEA and caffeine at decent qualities.
I'd be a little skeptic of some brands of ATD, though.
EasyEJL
Never enough
You've got the core of the issue many people have right there. If its a great pre-workout stim with some light anabolic effects, super, AX could use a product like that. Naming it after one of the most anabolic with horrible side effects designer steroids that doesn't aromatize that is still being cloned today just seems ridiculous. The main relationship between the two is that they are both in capsules. if it was named Speed-X or something along those lines, half the grumbling on this and other boards wouldn't have happened.
thesinner
Recovering AXoholic
Hindsight is 20/20. I don't think it was AX's initial intentions to call it that, but we wanted to have something GNC would carry.
As I'm sure you are very well aware, the people of GNC have a tendency to ride an even shorter schoolbus than myself. They wanted a product that they could sell for something like $99 a cap (or whatever overpriced amount they sell at those stores). Putting the word Superdrol on the bottle is what they felt they would be willing to sell.
As I'm sure you are very well aware, the people of GNC have a tendency to ride an even shorter schoolbus than myself. They wanted a product that they could sell for something like $99 a cap (or whatever overpriced amount they sell at those stores). Putting the word Superdrol on the bottle is what they felt they would be willing to sell.
T-AD
Well-known member
Still, you can all it whatever you want to. If you don't like the name on the label, then put a piece of tape over it once you have it in your hand. The name thing has been beaten to death, into the ground, and is now starting to make great compost for the spring growing season. It's a non-issue.
And I know that there are a bunch of folks around saying that AX is selling out by marketing to GNC. Not so fast, buck-o! Think of it this way... Marketing in a whole new arena will certainly increase the quantities sold, which means more profit. With more profit comes increased ability to bring out new things. Some of these will be marketed through GNC and other brick-n-mortar stores. Some will be for the hardcore online users. AX has already announced plans to do this - essentially having 2 separate product lines friendly to each set of users. We'll have our way and have our hardcore line, and the average mall shoppers can have their's. Trust me, AX is sticking to its roots and developing the hardcore line, too. It'll all end up being a bigger share of the market, leading to company growth and continued success. Everybody wins!! :thumbsup:
And I know that there are a bunch of folks around saying that AX is selling out by marketing to GNC. Not so fast, buck-o! Think of it this way... Marketing in a whole new arena will certainly increase the quantities sold, which means more profit. With more profit comes increased ability to bring out new things. Some of these will be marketed through GNC and other brick-n-mortar stores. Some will be for the hardcore online users. AX has already announced plans to do this - essentially having 2 separate product lines friendly to each set of users. We'll have our way and have our hardcore line, and the average mall shoppers can have their's. Trust me, AX is sticking to its roots and developing the hardcore line, too. It'll all end up being a bigger share of the market, leading to company growth and continued success. Everybody wins!! :thumbsup:
Force of Green
Well-known member
For the love of God, lol, this product should not even be compared to RPM.
When I used to work for Cytodyne customer service, I can't remember how many times someone would ask about Myozap (the myostatin blocker) and I'd be quite honest and tell them exactly what the truth was about it... Same thing when I worked for Bioquest and people would call and ask about Tetrazene. Sure... pharmaceutical grade glucomannon, olive leaf extract, etc.... It's a waste of money.
I don't mean to rub you the wrong way theSinner, but you're starting to actually sound like you've sold yourself out.
I found this product at GNC and Vitamin Shoppe as well. Is this what you guys are aiming for now? A Methyl-1-D competitor? Legal Gear picked a name similar to a banned prohormone to sell it out and trick many with their nice way of writing ATD and DHEA.
I can spent some time online looking for alternative names to some very commonly sold product ingredients and come up with a kick-ass writeup and formula.
As far as pharmaceutical grade ingredients are concerned, I found about 10 or more DHEA products that say they are 99.7% pure pharmaceutical grade, but I don't feel like wasting my time looking up the other stuff.
bigschmidt821
Oldtimer
y cant it be compared to RPM?
Force of Green
Well-known member
You're right Bigschmidt
I was wrong
The effects of caffeine and yohimbine should be compared to a fantastic product like RPM. No doubt. I'm sorry.
bigschmidt821
Oldtimer
You're right Bigschmidt
I was wrong
The effects of caffeine and yohimbine should be compared to a fantastic product like RPM. No doubt. I'm sorry.
Force u know i have mad respect for you,
it was ME who compared it to RPM i have taken my share of supplements and steroids and i think i am qualified to make that judgement. the feeling was very similar to that of RPM what is wrong with me making that statement?
Force of Green
Well-known member
Sorry, I just didn't want to argue or end up straying from the point. My logic is that yes, both RPM and (I hate even calling it Superdrol) SNG have stimulatory effects, and these effects I'm sure can be felt almost immediately. The cumulative benefits and versatility of RPM IMO puts it in a league of it's own.
One could say that, "the feeling of SNG has been compared to Ripped Fuel Extreme! It's that good folks!"
The fact is that you can take ANY formula, add a little 'jack-me-up' combo, and say, "so good you can feel it from the first dose!!!"
If someone were to argue:
"Hey Force, DHEA will convert to testosterone and the ATD will favor a positively skewed T:E ratio. This means that more testosterone will cumulate muscle growth over time."
"Hey Force, studies show that caffeine combined with yohimbine HCL when administered in a double-blind control group showed blah blah blah..."
I'll be outright and say it. The entire 'product' package (the culmination of the ingredient profile, write-up, label, name, and marketing scheme) is an absolute disgrace. A lot of people feel this to be true, but won't say it because it may mean that the AX team will not be as friendly to you on the boards, etc. This is nothing against you guys, but I think you know where I'm coming from.
We can argue until our balls turn blue, but it won't get us very far.
Bottom line: There's a group of smart consumers, like many of us here that educate ourselves and post on Anabolicminds. We can see right through this scheme. Then there's the target market that you guys seem to be tapping into. This market includes either the uneducated, naive, young adult that walks into a GNC and trusts the word of a minimum wage clerk who reads his/her recommendations off of a 'commission sheet'... or the mentally incompetent nitwit who has barely enough brainpower to buy a product because of the hype the company writes about it.
If anyone who reads the Muscle-Tech ads and believes, "Hi! I'm Jay Cutler and Adpolan is what drove me to win Mr. Olympia!", I'm sure you'll really enjoy buying this product.
thesinner
Recovering AXoholic
I hear ya Force. I think we're fighting two different battles in this thread.
One side is saying this product is overrated/overhyped and the other is interpretting that as saying it's ineffective.
Not gonna lie, I was a little disappointed to see a Trib+ATD product, but then again there's a lot less 'wiggle room' for making a product that can be sold at GNC. Dr. D worked hard on this one, and I am trying to stay open minded until after I've used it.
I think the testers can speak for themselves on this product. If you don't wanna waste your hard earned cash on it. By all means don't. I'm not here to shove AX products down your throat, and I'll sleep fine either way.
One side is saying this product is overrated/overhyped and the other is interpretting that as saying it's ineffective.
Not gonna lie, I was a little disappointed to see a Trib+ATD product, but then again there's a lot less 'wiggle room' for making a product that can be sold at GNC. Dr. D worked hard on this one, and I am trying to stay open minded until after I've used it.
I think the testers can speak for themselves on this product. If you don't wanna waste your hard earned cash on it. By all means don't. I'm not here to shove AX products down your throat, and I'll sleep fine either way.
Force of Green
Well-known member
I know that YOU personally aren't trying to aim this product at anyone.... ahhhh... I feel bad now. I like Dr. D, I like his formulas... Christ.
Dr. D did his job and I'm sure he did it well. Whoever at AX disguised the common names for the ingredients, botched the front-line by calling it SUPERDROL, and practically fruit-looped the writeup and claims (overly, excitedly, exaggerated).
I've seen Dr. D's PCT advice in some old posts that mentioned fenugreek, dhea, and some other goodies for post-cycle recovery... It looked well-written.
Whatever honesty and integrity could have been put into this product, sat this inning out. Then again, the stupid market wouldn't understand much about those two virtues; It's not something they're used to.
macedaddy
Board Sponsor
YEP! EXACTLY! i have it quoted, too!:thumbsup:
macedaddy
Board Sponsor
i would imagine, but will get bigsmith or d to verify.
EasyEJL
Never enough
What was the atd dose per cap again? it may actually fit into the idea of daily low dose AI I was talking with Dr D about. Don't want enough to cause other problems (like joint issues), just enough to keep it down a little. I was thinking 1 hdx2 a day would possibly work as well. a bottle would last a while that way
thesinner
Recovering AXoholic
Force of Green
Well-known member
It is longer in AX's DHEA, because the half-life is extended by the Injection Matrix and the... 'Hyperactive Half-life Super Extender Potentiar'!
thesinner
Recovering AXoholic
AI's are effective beyond their active life because it takes a while for aromatase enzyme levels to recooperate.
Cordeen
Well-known member