its just about the codex really. Again is a bunch of crackpots lying about the contents of the codex in their youtube videos just to get more of a reaction a good thing? or presents a balanced view?
You are completely ignoring the meat of what the codex really does. We are going to be FORCED to accept the rules based on being part of the WTO or else be subject to fines. How can you say we aren't losing our sovereignty on one hand and then say it forces us to accept methods and substances we may have banned on the other? It will trump the dshea. It trumps our law makers. It makes us abide by laws and rules set by a company and organization we have no say in or control of. It will make us accept foods that while the labeling may be different, still may not be up to our standards. It leaves the door wide open in the future for changes to our food and supplement industry that are ridiculous. You might want to look at this from a different angle than trying to label people opposed to it as whackos and trying to "debunk" them, or at least come up with better arguments. Simply calling people crackpots for opposing it doesn't exactly make your case. I have never heard anyone look at this thing and support it or accept it online or offline, bodybuilder or not- other than you. You might be ok with giving the FAO and WTO that kind of power but alot of people most certainly are not and that does not make them crazy.
No, but international trade is a reality. When you deal in international trade, there are more countries other than you, so although the consensus on what pest control materials are allowed may include things that you previously discontinued using, so what? We aren't loosing sovereignity, and if we feel its unsafe to eat things treated that way the government can make sure that foods are labeled correctly (which the codex calls for) and just run PSA ads to let people know. In the end something like the codex is for international trade what GMP is for the supplement trade. It lays out specific rules, and specific ways of handling things.
Do you think its better right now where if you buy frozen fish or even fresh fruits from outside the US that you really have no way of knowing how its been processed?
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see even that first line in that reference tells the story -
Its easy for people to cry wolf, and get other people to believe them.
Besides, more than 60mg of vitamin C is a waste unless its wax coated or has some other time release mechanism
I definitely hear your POV. Have fun.
Again with the crackpot ****. You don't get it but then I wouldn't expect you to. Keep your blinders on and tossing out insults if that's what makes you happy.
Again with the crackpot ****. You don't get it but then I wouldn't expect you to. Keep your blinders on and tossing out insults if that's what makes you happy.
To be honest I haven't looked but again you'd be hard pressed to find anything negative from the proponents on the Health Canada website either.
The standard message is "it's great" "it's amazing" "there's no problems and nothing to see here" "we love you and take care of you and your children with your best interests at heart"
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I'll let someone else that is gifted at research find that for you
I have read the codex( not all of course because it is thousands of pages with 27 committees and changes by the year) Have you? I'll assume by the way you talk that you have read every page,including the one's that aren't made readily available on the website. You called ME a crackpot unless I misinterpreted when you said this-"you are like many of the other crackpots focusing on a small area and looking for the negatives only." I don't shop at wal mart or buy japanese cars but thanks for the suggestion. Noone has to share my opinion, I just take offense being called names because I don't share yours, and I don't like being talked down to. A global economy does not "work" simply based on your shortsighted examples, nor should we as a nation have to accept things imposed on us based on the interest of business rather than the people. Just because something is PART of the global economy you claim to know so much about does not mean that it is good for one. My problem with the codex isn't just what it's doing now-but more importantly what it leaves the door open for, and the fact that we will have no way of making changes to it. That kind of open ended trust is foolish. You clearly have taken a different opinion of the codex which is fine, that is absolutely you're right. But I really don't need your "I'm smarter than you " condescending crap, and we've never met so feel free to keep your assumptions about me to yourself. I'll try and get used to the idea of turning regulation of our food supply to outside influence. I mean, it worked so well when we turned our monetary system over to the fed, so it has to work right? Either way I'm washing my hands of this.
Ok here's the thing that has been bugging me-most guys here aren't saying anything about conspiracy theory. We are saying we have a problem with what is out in the open. You keep going back to labeling it that to discredit the discussion because the term " conspiracy theory" is a trigger phrase for doing just that.. And we haven't gotten into the food aspect that you keep bringing up. We have been mainly talking about supplements . It does trump our laws. It will trump the dshea("sovereign law") and replace it with the codex Guidelines for Vitamin and Mineral Food Supplements which sets the minimums and maximums for supplements and determines the safety of the compounds. We won't decide this, they will along with input from the fao/who. So please explain how this is not the case.
It is "voluntary" in the sense that you can choose to be fined and sanctioned instead. You are also ignoring other aspects. From the 1995 Federal Register-The FDA policy is clearly stated as preferring international standards to domestic ones, even if the international ones are not yet complete .
Uh, that is factual, you are just ignoring it..again. That is how it is written in the codex, that is what we agreed to, that is what members of the wto have to comply with. This is pointless. :yawn:
It was started in 1961 but changes are made routinely. The codex site does not contain all of the thousands of pages dealing with codex issues. The sections we have been dealing with have not required immediate compliance and are not finalized as is the case with the Codex Guideline on Vitamin and Mineral Food Supplements. It is also subject to amendment. As I said earlier, it leaves the door open for changes we can do nothing about. that is a lot of trust to extend to a body that puts money over science in many issues.
they would almost have to have a new "ban" similar to the pro hormone ban. Better start a new section on the board for pro-vitamins?
? I wonder if that would eventually make us terrorists ?
