SARM's, MK, & GW : A User's Guide

sanmarino said:
Thanks you all for the replies. 4-6 weeks should be legitime, the dosage range also.
I will keep you all up to date. If everything is going to be all right (bloodwork results still outstanding), the cycle will be started soon.

You will read the final report (with ALL the relevant information) after approx. seven weeks. If I start now to write a part, you will forget or never find this post in this huge thread again :)

san
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Hi all

Remember the post above I made a while ago? The cycle with RAD-140 + Test is finished now. Lipid and hormone values were tested but the hormone values are distorted by the testosterone.
Therefore we can only work with liver and testosterone values.

Length: 6 weeks
Dosage: 2x4mg/ed
Brand: OL UK

Liver values: ALT, AST, GGT all in range, which is brilliant.
Cholesterol values: absolute catastrophic.
Total cholesterol 1.6x over maximum range
HDL 26 of (ref. Range >40)
LDL 268 (!) of (ref. Range <150)
Ratio has a value of 10.31 (!) instead of <4 Units.

Sexual Hormones
Because of the Testosterone the FSH and LH are - not surprisingly - shutdown:
FSH <0.1 (ref. Range 0.95-11.95)
LH <0.1 (ref. Range 1.14-8.75)
Testosterone >35.61 (ref. Range 2.5-8)
Estradiole 31 (ref. Range <41)

Maybe we are able to improve the cholesterol values with GW.

Regards and enjoy the evening (wherever you live haha)

san
 
To clarify: these are NOT my values (I start research again in spring 2016). Just wanted to share these values of that well known user with you because none of you does blood work here haha. The next I share with you are mine (but as said in spring '16).

Regarding fat, fish oil, coconut oil and olive oil were used. The other stuff like garlic and others I honestly don't know, sorry. But the nutrition has been very healthy.
We can see that RAD-140 worsen the cholesterole values as LGD does, too. In comparison the liver values were not that strong affected.
 
Wow. Horrible. Thanks for posting
 
Might explain why I've been feeling a little tense - the long & now high LGD run has probably spiked my blood pressure. Starting PCT tomorrow, let's see If i'm less edgy in a few days.
 
The reintroduction of MK at 10mgED has me feeling gooood though :bigok: I add an extra cap after a night shift to help recover, it seems to help me train during the day too.
 
Realizing that I don't think we have any doctors here, and I'm not planning on running Rad (but am, LGD) - Is the LDL/HDL chaos transitory? Meaning that upon cessation, your levels would return to healthy levels (assuming you started healthy)? If so, just how dangerous would just 8 weeks at those levels be? (and I guess just 4 weeks for Rad).

As an aside, after seeing sanmarino's post, I went re-researching all the natural Cholesterol lowering compounds. Maybe you already knew this, but I didn't:

Red Yeast Rice is an actual no sh&t natural Statin that works WELL. Guess what? The FDA banned the sale of Red Yeast Rice with any effective amount of the compound that improves Cholesterol values. Just when you think the FDA and BigPharmaTM is just a myth....

I'd love to try and find a foreign source for RYR and try to get it through.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Realizing that I don't think we have any doctors here, and I'm not planning on running Rad (but am, LGD) - Is the LDL/HDL chaos transitory? Meaning that upon cessation, your levels would return to healthy levels (assuming you started healthy)? If so, just how dangerous would just 8 weeks at those levels be? (and I guess just 4 weeks for Rad).

As an aside, after seeing sanmarino's post, I went re-researching all the natural Cholesterol lowering compounds. Maybe you already knew this, but I didn't:

Red Yeast Rice is an actual no sh&t natural Statin that works WELL. Guess what? The FDA banned the sale of Red Yeast Rice with any effective amount of the compound that improves Cholesterol values. Just when you think the FDA and BigPharmaTM is just a myth....

I'd love to try and find a foreign source for RYR and try to get it through.
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What would be an effective dose and extract for red yeast rice? Great info btw
 
yates84 said:
What would be an effective dose and extract for red yeast rice? Great info btw
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I don't know man, the Examine page just has the science since the ban occurred in 2007. It does say this though:

Red yeast rice which contains monacolin (especially monacolin K) lowers cholesterol levels by reducing cholesterol synthesis by the liver through inhibiting the rate-limiting step catalyzed by the enzyme 5-hydroxy-3-methylglutaryl-coenzyme A (HMG-CoA).[46] However, since monacolin K is identical to the pharmaceutical known as lovastatin, the FDA has banned sales of red yeast rice which contain non-negligible quantities of monacolin K since it is a "non-approved drug",[2][1] thus red yeast rice as currently marketed in the US may not have these effects on the liver's cholesterol production. However, a study done after the FDA ban found that many red yeast rice products still contain monacolin K at levels which widely vary,[47] and a Freedom of Information Act request to investigate FDA oversite of monacolin K levels has revealed that FDA enforcement of monacolin K levels is lacking.[48]
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No I don't. The only thing I know is that one brand that fda stopped was doctors best fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm402584.htm
 
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yates84 said:
What would be an effective dose and extract for red yeast rice? Great info btw
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EDIT: Seems many products still contain the active ingredient.

The compound in red rice yeast responsible for lowering cholesterol has been largely REMOVED from red rice yeast products thanks to an FDA mandate.

Reason being the compound is used in an actual statin drug of some kind.

This renders most red rice yeast ineffective.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Realizing that I don't think we have any doctors here, and I'm not planning on running Rad (but am, LGD) - Is the LDL/HDL chaos transitory? Meaning that upon cessation, your levels would return to healthy levels (assuming you started healthy)? If so, just how dangerous would just 8 weeks at those levels be? (and I guess just 4 weeks for Rad).

As an aside, after seeing sanmarino's post, I went re-researching all the natural Cholesterol lowering compounds. Maybe you already knew this, but I didn't:

Red Yeast Rice is an actual no sh&t natural Statin that works WELL. Guess what? The FDA banned the sale of Red Yeast Rice with any effective amount of the compound that improves Cholesterol values. Just when you think the FDA and BigPharmaTM is just a myth....

I'd love to try and find a foreign source for RYR and try to get it through.
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If you look up the Suppversity article on 1-Andro, the author uses some guesstimation based on other related research on lipids etc to extrapolate a ROUGH idea of the increased risk of s cardio event due to unfavorable lipid profile from 1-Andro.

I believe his calculation came in at a 13% increased risk.....

BUT, the negative impact on lipids IS typically transient, returning to normal (or close to) some time after cessation.

This is pretty much true for anything binding to the AR receptor.

I posted compiled bloodwork on LGD somewhere in the SARMS thread, and while lipids were affected, the degree to which they were negatively impacted was user dependent.

Likely variants if I had to guess were: diet, support supps, predisposition, dose + length
 
My buddy is is on week #2 of Ostar1ne and currently at 2 caps + 4 pumps of dermacrine daily. He was about to bump to 3 caps, but got a severe eye infection. He is on antibiotics for the next 10 days. He won't be able to get back to gym until probably a week or so. He will do body weight exercise at home and run on his treadmill.

Should he stop Ostar1ne and Dermacrine and start up after antibiotics are done? If so, should he give some time for antibiotics to clears his system before starting back up?
 
Even though fubar lipid levels may be transient with these compounds, the user may still be looking at 6-8wks with such levels depending on cycle length and how long it takes for levels to improve again. So, if the user does 3 or 4 cycles per year, that could add up to over 20wks per year with fubar lipids. Now, looked at like that, longterm, that is a considerable period of exposure.

My concern would be the possibility of atypical arterial plaque buildup/damage, the likes of which would not present in a typical lipid test.

Not wanting to scaremonger unnecessarily, but it may be something to consider.
 
NewAgeMayan said:
Even though fubar lipid levels may be transient with these compounds, the user may still be looking at 6-8wks with such levels depending on cycle length and how long it takes for levels to improve again. So, if the user does 3 or 4 cycles per year, that could add up to over 20wks per year with fubar lipids. Now, looked at like that, longterm, that is a considerable period of exposure.

My concern would be the possibility of atypical arterial plaque buildup/damage, the likes of which would not present in a typical lipid test.

Not wanting to scaremonger unnecessarily, but it may be something to consider.
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I've never thought about it that way. Good call.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
As an aside, after seeing sanmarino's post, I went re-researching all the natural Cholesterol lowering compounds. Maybe you already knew this, but I didn't:

Red Yeast Rice is an actual no sh&t natural Statin that works WELL. Guess what? The FDA banned the sale of Red Yeast Rice with any effective amount of the compound that improves Cholesterol values. Just when you think the FDA and BigPharmaTM is just a myth....

I'd love to try and find a foreign source for RYR and try to get it through.
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Yes, excellent product & well spotted. Monacolin is the active cholesterol lowering compound, which Merck claim as Lovastatin. Big pharma = no myth, they will patent anything they can get their filthy hands on. BTW - the US govt has patents over 85% of Ebola strains & 100% over effective Ebola treatment - that's to say that if you get Ebola & recover having seen a medical professional (even if they did nothing to help), your body is now property of the US govt owing to the now illegal defunct Ebola virus you have possession of. Madness.

kboxer7 said:
EDIT: Seems many products still contain the active ingredient.

The compound in red rice yeast responsible for lowering cholesterol has been largely REMOVED from red rice yeast products thanks to an FDA mandate.

Reason being the compound is used in an actual statin drug of some kind.

This renders most red rice yeast ineffective.
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True, I've been a big fan of AI Sports Cycle Support for years & at 600mg of RYR/scoop it's well dosed. 1200mg/day is a really decent dose of RYR. Questionable is the effectiveness due to mandated processing.

Ebay lists many sellers - go for the international market & aim for something produced outside the USA. Merck & co still have their hands all over Europe & as most (if not all) RYR is produced in China & SE Asia i'd opt for a product from there. Quality control may be lesser, but it's a very common ancient Asian remedy so is readily available at a reasonable price.
 
datsthat said:
My buddy is is on week #2 of Ostar1ne and currently at 2 caps + 4 pumps of dermacrine daily. He was about to bump to 3 caps, but got a severe eye infection. He is on antibiotics for the next 10 days. He won't be able to get back to gym until probably a week or so. He will do body weight exercise at home and run on his treadmill.

Should he stop Ostar1ne and Dermacrine and start up after antibiotics are done? If so, should he give some time for antibiotics to clears his system before starting back up?
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Keep up the osta, I should think dermacrine will be fine but someone else may offer another opinion. Tell him to grab some pre & pro-biotics to counter the damage the antibiotics will do to his gut, and top up on vitamin C big time.
Another worthwhile addition is curcumin & R-Lipoic Acid. The curcumin will assist clearing the infection while the RLA is the most effective anti-oxidant utilised by the eye - it will help protect the orb itself from damage, aid his recovery greatly & may reduce sensitivity to light as he heals. Anyone taking stims & getting light sensitivity try supplementing with RLA ;-)
 
Hey can anyone tell me if Trest & DermaTrest are staying on the market? The Black Friday specials are still running & I want to know if I should be stocking up on them as well as SARMs etc.
 
cheeky1 said:
Hey can anyone tell me if Trest & DermaTrest are staying on the market? The Black Friday specials are still running & I want to know if I should be stocking up on them as well as SARMs etc.
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Ive heard this is the last batch to be produced, but I also heard that with all the other last batches...so take from that what you will.
 
NewAgeMayan said:
Ive heard this is the last batch to be produced, but I also heard that with all the other last batches...so take from that what you will.
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Hmmm. Perhaps one of the OL lads can enlighten us... yates84 kboxer7
What's the word on the future availability of Trest & Dtrest on the US market, if you don't mind?
 
Why am I so afraid of Trest? For some reason Methyl Estrogen scares the crap out of me. Ah well, I already have more sh&t than I know what to do with :)
 
cheeky1 said:
True, I've been a big fan of AI Sports Cycle Support for years & at 600mg of RYR/scoop it's well dosed. 1200mg/day is a really decent dose of RYR. Questionable is the effectiveness due to mandated processing.
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I really wish these companies would quit trying to mess with DHT in these On Cycle and Post Cycle supplements. It ain't the Boogeyman that it once was. "Hey, how much Androvar?... don't forget your Saw Palmetto though!" :rolleyes:
 
cheeky1 said:
Hmmm. Perhaps one of the OL lads can enlighten us... yates84 kboxer7
What's the word on the future availability of Trest & Dtrest on the US market, if you don't mind?
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NewAgeMayan is an OL rep and tbh he knows just as much as I do at the moment. It will be around as long as we can keep it around and then it will be taking a permanent vacation to the uk
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Why am I so afraid of Trest? For some reason Methyl Estrogen scares the crap out of me. Ah well, I already have more sh&t than I know what to do with :)
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Trest is nothing to be scared of, especially with your experience level. Take the proper precautions and you will have one of the best cycles of your life.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
I really wish these companies would quit trying to mess with DHT in these On Cycle and Post Cycle supplements. It ain't the Boogeyman that it once was. "Hey, how much Androvar?... don't forget your Saw Palmetto though!" :rolleyes:
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Please elaborate brother. Whatchu mean?
 
yates84 said:
NewAgeMayan is an OL rep and tbh he knows just as much as I do at the moment. It will be around as long as we can keep it around and then it will be taking a permanent vacation to the uk
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Gotcha, thank you.
 
I was planning on running RAD-140 and LGD together but just read someone on another thread say that they work against eachother. What are you thoughts on this? Should I run them desperately?
 
jsav906 said:
I was planning on running RAD-140 and LGD together but just read someone on another thread say that they work against eachother. What are you thoughts on this? Should I run them desperately?
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They stack great! Rad is an awesome kicker for lgd, run rad for 4 weeks and by then you can cruise on the lgd.
 
jsav906 said:
I was planning on running RAD-140 and LGD together but just read someone on another thread say that they work against eachother. What are you thoughts on this? Should I run them desperately?
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Running them together right now. Only on Day 5, but just like Yates said, I'll drop the RAD after 4 weeks and continue on the LGD.
 
Dma378 said:
Running them together right now. Only on Day 5, but just like Yates said, I'll drop the RAD after 4 weeks and continue on the LGD.
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Are you feeling the rad yet? Or just the trest?
 
lamapuppy said:
nutri-verse and orbit still have some I believe. I've ordered from both and they are good and fast with shipping.
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i was just on their site they still have trest in stock as well as some other goodies like OT products ... Thanks ill give them a shot . I dont know of any reps I just sat down at my pc , on mobile i cant see signatures . Ill have to visit their section as well !
 
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bighulksmash said:
i was just on their site they still have trest in stock as well as some other goodies like OT products ... Thanks ill give them a shot . I dont know of any reps I just sat down at my pc , on mobile i cant see signatures . Ill have to visit their section as well !
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Must get more Tr3st. This stuff rocks! I feel like Dash at the end of The Incredibles... Like I have to tone it down a bit so people don't catch on.

Though the 10 lbs I've added is a little hard to hide.
 
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Dma378 said:
Thing about the RAD when I ran it last time, not sure I felt it. Just saw it. Everything got hard and vascular and bigger.
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Yeah sarms don't really have a feeling you just Notice an increase in strength ( for lgd and osta atleast can't comment on rad)
 
fro60ol said:
Should I start arimcare a few days before I start my rad and trest ?
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The only thing you ever need to worry about preloading is hawthorne berry because it can actually increase bp in the first week or two of use. I always preload hb for 2 weeks before a cycle. Fortunately, armicare pro has no hawthorne berry so no worries about preloading.
 
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