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SARM's, MK, & GW : A User's Guide

Icyphil said:
Im sorry if the most stupid thing you've read today but for Clomid 50/25/25 that means week1-50mg per day week2-25mg and week3-25mg

thanks
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You are correct
 
On my last dose of my current LGD/Card stack and moving into my bridge of Methyl-DHT-Oxime 2mo. Just wondering is there any benefit/point in taking my first dose of it with the last dose of my current stack today?? Or would this just be pointless?? Or dangerous??
 
Shaner091 said:
On my last dose of my current LGD/Card stack and moving into my bridge of Methyl-DHT-Oxime 2mo. Just wondering is there any benefit/point in taking my first dose of it with the last dose of my current stack today?? Or would this just be pointless?? Or dangerous??
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Either way is fine, won't hurt to overlap them a day
 
Awesome I'm literally itching to start my next cycle haha ??? you have me so excited for it :-P plus want to start eating loads too ha,, will take first dose today so ?
 
kboxer7 said:
Suppversity just did a nice write-up on BAIBA. Evidence points to it being much more effective at preventing fat gain than actual fat loss.

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P.S. I just want to publicly give a HUGE shout out to the Suppversity owner. I requested a write-up on BAIBA to get his opinion on the supp, and after a brief conversation he agreed.
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While I appreciate the author going to the trouble of writing about BAIBA, I have a few criticisms of the article which I regret that I feel compelled to share.
Suppversity said:
"What the same amount of BAIBA did not do, though, was to prevent the weight gain in already obese mice. ...the currently available evidence clearly doesn't support the use of BAIBA as a classic "fat burner"."
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They weren't "already obese mice", they were mice genetically engineered to be obese (ob/ob), through the deletion of functioning leptin genes. BAIBA doesn't work in mice that have no functional leptin system, that much is true. But to claim that "the currently available evidence clearly doesn't support the use of BAIBA as a classic fat burner" based on that information is not an appropriate conclusion.
Suppversity said:
Bottom line: Whether an increase in leptin production is... the only (or at least the most important) mechanism of the beta-aminoisobutyric acid induced anti-obesity effect will yet have to be confirmed in future studies.
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The author uses only four references, and according to Invalid Link Removed believes there to be only four studies. Not only does this ignore some more studies from the French INSERM team (who published, I think, eight studies that make reference to BAIBA), but it ignores the 2014 Cell study that completely reframed understanding of the molecule.
The Cell study was from the lab of Bruce Spiegelman. Spiegelman and his team have been behind many important recent discoveries in metabolic research, and those discoveries underpin much of the current thinking on energy regulation. The title of the study alone should underline how relevant this research is: β-Aminoisobutyric Acid Induces Browning of White Fat and Hepatic β-Oxidation and Is Inversely Correlated with Cardiometabolic Risk Factors so to overlook it in an article about BAIBA is a massive oversight.
The article makes no attempt to explain the mechanisms of action of BAIBA, aside from a link to leptin, making no mention of PPARa or PGC1a, crucial to understanding the relationship between BAIBA and exercise, or of BAIBA's white fat browning effect. BAIBA was also recently determined to be an Invalid Link Removed.
I really hate to criticise, but a poorly-researched article does an injustice to what is a fascinating endogenous signalling molecule.

For a more rounded overview of the ingredient, I recommend reading the following lay articles:
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the unfinished but illuminating BAIBA explained visually
and journal articles:
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If anyone would like to write about BAIBA, they're welcome to get in touch for any help I can provide.
 
I just started TRT and have a bottle of osta and LGD. I don't plan on using either now, but sometimes in near future once my TRT dose has been dialed in. I don't want my T levels to drastically increase as my doc will lower my dose and I don't want my doc to know that I used anything else other than prescribed Test Cyp.

Does anybody know or think what will happen to my testosterone level while I use either Osta or LDG?

If it does raise my Test level, how long prior to next bloodwork should I stop?

Or should I simply sell it and go on a blast of somesort?

Please keep in mind that I am only asking for my research and I will not use anything until my TRT dose is dialed in
 
From what I've read if your on try then there is no need for a pct, there are people here who have taken SARMs while on Trt. Just run osta or LGD normally with whatever support supplements you need and keep on try.
 
CJNator said:
From what I've read if your on try then there is no need for a pct, there are people here who have taken SARMs while on Trt. Just run osta or LGD normally with whatever support supplements you need and keep on try.
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Thanks.

For those that are on TRT and used SARM(s), was there anything on your bloodwork that was concerning? What about your T levels?
 
CJNator said:
From what I've read if your on try then there is no need for a pct, there are people here who have taken SARMs while on Trt. Just run osta or LGD normally with whatever support supplements you need and keep on try.
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Thanks.

For those that are on TRT and used SARM(s), was there anything on your bloodwork that was concerning? What about your T levels?
 
datsthat said:
Thanks.

For those that are on TRT and used SARM(s), was there anything on your bloodwork that was concerning? What about your T levels?
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SARMS would suppress any natural test production you have left (which may very well be at or close to zero while on TRT).

So if anything, they would cause your bloodwork to show LESS testosterone.

As for non-hormonal markers, Lipids and liver values will be affected negatively to some extent (dose and user dependent).
 
kboxer7 said:
SARMS would suppress any natural test production you have left (which may very well be at or close to zero while on TRT).

So if anything, they would cause your bloodwork to show LESS testosterone.

As for non-hormonal markers, Lipids and liver values will be affected negatively to some extent (dose and user dependent).
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Thank you. That does make sense about suppressing test now that I think about it otherwise nobody would add Dermacrine.
 
datsthat said:
Thank you. That does make sense about suppressing test now that I think about it otherwise nobody would add Dermacrine.
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Yeah, the best way to think about it is this:

If it binds to the AR receptor, it WILL cause some level of suppression.

When the AR receptor is occupied by a molecule (test, SARM, PH, etc), the body just assumes that it is Test that occupies the receptor.

Since the receptors are full up, the body thinks "hey, we're good on test boys, no need to produce more."
 
kboxer7 said:
Yeah, the best way to think about it is this:

If it binds to the AR receptor, it WILL cause some level of suppression.

When the AR receptor is occupied by a molecule (test, SARM, PH, etc), the body just assumes that it is Test that occupies the receptor.

Since the receptors are full up, the body thinks "hey, we're good on test boys, no need to produce more."
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Awesome, thank you for explanation.

Do you think a certain SARM would be better for someone on TRT?
 
datsthat said:
Awesome, thank you for explanation.

Do you think a certain SARM would be better for someone on TRT?
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Our resident SARM expert is yates84 , I'm sure he'll have a more educated answer for you on that specific scenario.
 
datsthat said:
Awesome, thank you for explanation.

Do you think a certain SARM would be better for someone on TRT?
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Sarms are better used in conjunction with TRT.
 
kboxer7 said:
Our resident SARM expert is yates84 , I'm sure he'll have a more educated answer for you on that specific scenario.
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I would say rad for sure. It has actually been studied in conjunction with testosterone and rad has even been shown to mitigate the negative androgenic sides of testosterone. That would be my choice.
 
Anyone have a problem with nutri-v shipping? Ordered mine last week priority and still nothing. I have a tracking number that says that they requested it to be shipped but has not shipped yet
 
Bigdumogre said:
Anyone have a problem with nutri-v shipping? Ordered mine last week priority and still nothing. I have a tracking number that says that they requested it to be shipped but has not shipped yet
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Order conqu3r unleashed? I had the same problem. Started blowing them up on this forum and via email. They hit me back the next day and gave me my tracking and told me they gave me another tub of conqu3r for my wait!
 
yates84 said:
Order conqu3r unleashed? I had the same problem. Started blowing them up on this forum and via email. They hit me back the next day and gave me my tracking and told me they gave me another tub of conqu3r for my wait!
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Ostarine 360 count
Will email them and post in the supp company section thanks
 
Bigdumogre said:
Ostarine 360 count
Will email them and post in the supp company section thanks
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Did you order from Nutriverse or NutraPlanet? NutraPlanet is who we & others have been having problems with recently. Try contacting them first, to see if you can get a response & solution from them.
 
YatesWifey04 said:
Did you order from Nutriverse or NutraPlanet? NutraPlanet is who we & others have been having problems with recently. Try contacting them first, to see if you can get a response & solution from them.
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Same here. Nutraplanet used to ship same day, now it's like 2 days later. Nutri-Verse always ships at latest next day.
 
YatesWifey04 said:
Did you order from Nutriverse or NutraPlanet? NutraPlanet is who we & others have been having problems with recently. Try contacting them first, to see if you can get a response & solution from them.
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I'm an idiot, mixing up companies. Nutriverse is waiting for their last shipment of Olympus UK products from us, it will ship as soon as they have it in hand I'm sure. My apologies Bigdumogre
 
GreenMachineX said:
Same here. Nutraplanet used to ship same day, now it's like 2 days later. Nutri-Verse always ships at latest next day.
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I've had the best luck with phw, they ship everything same day! Takes 2 days for me to get my package usually. They are my new go to online supp shop.
 
Bigdumogre said:
Max from nutriverse emailed me back quickly. They just got shipment in and they sending out people's orders today
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Max is good people, always returns my emails.
 
Has anybody thought about labmaxing SARMs to see if anything comes up other than SARMs? Does anybody have labmax or know somebody that does?
 
I know this is a Sarm discussion board, but can anyone shed any light as to how O.L can remake Derma Trest. I thought it was banned in the U.S. Under the prohormone ban. Not complaining tho.
I've never tried and and thinking of bridging from Osta in to 1 bottle.
 
rotherhammad said:
I know this is a Sarm discussion board, but can anyone shed any light as to how O.L can remake Derma Trest. I thought it was banned in the U.S. Under the prohormone ban. Not complaining tho.
I've never tried and and thinking of bridging from Osta in to 1 bottle.
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Trest was never banned just like dmz and msten. Companies are still producing all of these ph/ds if you look hard enough.
 
SARM's, MK, & GW : A User's Guide

Sup brutha Yates. ;)

Who has the best Ostarine and in caps form?

Any liver stress with this stuff?

Who has the best GW and in caps form?

Thanks man
 
Whacked said:
Sup brutha Yates. ;)

Who has the best Ostarine and in caps form?

Any liver stress with this stuff?

Who has the best GW and in caps form?

Thanks man
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OL UK has the best osta and gw! All are 3rd party lab tested for purity. No liver stress from either compound but osta can effect your lipid profile.
 
Would Sarms, prohormones and Trest show on any normal blood tests/drugs test? Anyone had these tests while on any of these products. Once again excellent helpful thread. Cheers guys :-)
 
yates84 said:
OL UK has the best osta and gw! All are 3rd party lab tested for purity. No liver stress from either compound but osta can effect your lipid profile.
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I'm in the US. Anyone else?
 
rotherhammad said:
Would Sarms, prohormones and Trest show on any normal blood tests/drugs test? Anyone had these tests while on any of these products. Once again excellent helpful thread. Cheers guys :-)
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Are you talking about a standard 5 panel drug screen? Like from an employer or a po? You have absolutely no worries with these products and your standard drug screen. If you are being tested for PEDs then you will want to stay away from all of those.
 
hi,

not sure if this is the thread for this but I will be starting a 8 week lgd cycle soon and was wondering if this is a trusted/legitimate site for a pct.

cemproducts.c0m/clomi-70ml-35mg-ml.html (cant post links yet. c0n is zero)

Thanks
 
SARM's, MK, & GW : A User's Guide

Not to take a big steamer on the company you represent but I just received my bottles of osta that I ordered and on the bottle it recommends osta during pct at a low dosage. Why would Olympus labs recommend anything suppressive during pct? I am actually dumbfounded. It was like reading an article in musclular development stating that the appropriate dosages for osta during a bulk would be 25 to 50mgs.
 
Thanks Yates84. Just a standard 5 panel test I hope! Would Nolva show on the test.
I know you've done at least 2 Trest cycles. Was it good in terms of strength and size gains? Would you run solo or with a product added. Enjoying Osta run(4 weeks at min) strength up but body recomp no where near as impressive as p hormones. Iron L X11-kt really suited me but shut me down quite hard.
 
rotherhammad said:
Thanks Yates84. Just a standard 5 panel test I hope! Would Nolva show on the test.
I know you've done at least 2 Trest cycles. Was it good in terms of strength and size gains? Would you run solo or with a product added. Enjoying Osta run(4 weeks at min) strength up but body recomp no where near as impressive as p hormones. Iron L X11-kt really suited me but shut me down quite hard.
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The standard 5 panel test would not or should not test positive for nolva. Usually the test would indicate on metabolites but don't take my word as stone. I am not 100 percent positive but pretty sure.
 
Also don't get me wrong about Olympus labs I have purchased a few products by them and I would probably continue to ask you for more info regarding their products if you would oblige Yates, but I am just not understanding why they would make such recommendations.
 
^^^This. The jury is still out on whether osta is suppressive at low doses and there are PLENTY of knowledgeable people who would recommend Osta in PCT or even as a bridge between cycles.
 
I understand a bridge but when it is shown to be suppressive at only 3 mgs in various studies, it just does not seem at all suitable for pct. During pct you would want the smoothest and quickest path back to homeostasis, and taking something suppressive does not seem to support that objective.
 
Some claim that osta when taken along side a serm at a low dose is enough to preserve gains and not hinder the serm from doing its job of starting up the Hpta . I know one person who does it and recovered just like normal
 
Not to sound like a dick but anyone can claim what they want. When osta studies are out that it is suppressive at just 3mgs that hypothesis is simply not supported by the evidence. Can some people recover fine? I am sure they can but that can also be chalked up to being "user dependent". Once again taking something suppressive simply does not support a PCT regiment. It pretty much goes against every book that I have read from credible sources regarding the topic.
 
Lol, I love the "There are studies" guys.

My bottles of OL Ostarine don't "recommend" usage in PCT either, only offer a dosing guideline. Haven't seen the new OL UK bottles but I doubt they're any ddifferent.
 
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