RobinKuwait's Bread and Butter Prohormone Cycle Log

[RobInKuwait]

No DBol, I'd really like to though.

I seem to be super-sensitive to androgens. I can get away with low doses of just about every PH and get decent results. 5 mg of M1T is perfect for me. A 50mg Dbol cycle would probably blow me up like a balloon, lol. The M1,4 is making me one bloaty lil beyatch.

Thats definitly not something to complain about.....it'll save you some money:thumbsup: . How much longer do you have on your M1,4 cycle?

 

[glenihan]

I was thinking the same thing. I didn't think I would feel anything for a few days at least, but I felt the effects literally 45 minutes after I took it. I've been thirsty as hell since I started taking it. I think it may be drying me out.

hmm interesting to hear, i've used m5aa, but i've yet to use the few grams of mdht i have sitting around i'm gonna throw them in at the end of my spring cutter in a few months ... i'm glad to hear you find it to be so fast acting ... and sorry to hear its causing you agonizing pain ... guess its a mixed blessing ... maybe lol

 

[RobInKuwait]

Day 39:
Off day.

Day 40:
Weight 253

I guess my first couple of days on MDHT was a fluke. I like this compound. Its solid. It gives a me a stimulant-androgenic like effect about 20-30 minutes after using that lasts a couple of hours. It also is freaking amazing as a sexual enhancer. I get horny as hell on this ****, and after I have sex I feel like I can't move for like 15 minutes. Its so bad, I loathe not having sex at least 2-3 times a day, I think I'd go crazy if I didn't have sex that much. Glad I have a loving wife . I haven't really noticed too much in the weight room except maybe increased focus and intensity. Its such a boost that I don't even bother with caffeine pre-workout anymore.

One problem I'm having in the gym is with my right rotator cuff. It hurts on push and pull movements. I think thats what bothered me when I was in the gym earlier this week. I think the MDHT may have contributed some by drying me out tho.

One inference I'm making about MDHT is that it goes better with test than without it. I took M5AA with MDien a few months ago and I felt dirty and unpleasant as hell. I think that was because I was shut down pretty hard and had no test in my body with the MDien. This time with MDHT, I feel much better and cleaner, I think because I'm already taking 4AD cyp.

 

[bioman]

I'll be ending my cycle around Jan 1st..either 8 or 9 weeks depeding on my schedule. I'm up about 13 pounds and that has been with some pretty crappy diet..long story.. and lots of missed workouts early in the cycle. Things have normalized schedule-wise so diet has been more on track.

I'm at 195 right now, hoping to break the big 2-0-0 by cycle's end.

I started IGF R3 yesterday. It will be run for the last two weeks of the cycle and for 2 weeks into PCT at 20mcgs/day. So far I've notice a small amount of hypertrophy in the injected muscles and I slept very well last night. Woke up feeling refreshed and in a good mood..which is unusual lol.

 

[RobInKuwait]

I'll be ending my cycle around Jan 1st..either 8 or 9 weeks depeding on my schedule. I'm up about 13 pounds and that has been with some pretty crappy diet..long story.. and lots of missed workouts early in the cycle. Things have normalized schedule-wise so diet has been more on track.

I'm at 195 right now, hoping to break the big 2-0-0 by cycle's end.

I started IGF R3 yesterday. It will be run for the last two weeks of the cycle and for 2 weeks into PCT at 20mcgs/day. So far I've notice a small amount of hypertrophy in the injected muscles and I slept very well last night. Woke up feeling refreshed and in a good mood..which is unusual lol.

Looks like your cycle is finishing a couple of weeks before mine is. Is that 13 pounds solid or is there some water weight in there? I've read good things about IGF R3. I'm going to look into maybe getting some. I've also heard using it can increase ones chances of getting cancer, so I'm going to research that too. Good luck with the rest of your cycle and hitting the 2-0-0!

 

[RobInKuwait]

Day 41:

weight-254

Did a leg pull workout. It is a very lame workout without being able to do Deadlifts, SLDL, or good mornings. All I could really do is two legged and one legged hamstring curls. I threw in some calves and abs just so it wouldn't be a wasted workout.

Noticing good results from the MDHT. The outstanding bedroom effects are continuing, but I'm also losing water weight and becoming vascular. I have more veins on my hands now than I've ever seen. They're starting to look like Clark Kent's hands on Smallville when he gets around kryptonite.

On the downside, theres minor prostate issues. My piss isn't as powerful and it feels very slightly inflated, but nothing major.

Day 42:

Nothing new. Off day. Got vertical push/pull tomarrow.

 

[RobInKuwait]

Day 43:

Didn't weigh myself. Almost all my lifts went down today. I was doing lat pulls 210X8 a few weeks ago, but today I could only get 195X6. Don't really know why. I may have lost some strength coming off the M1,4. Its definitely not a diet thing as my diet has been amazing for the past week since I got back from my trip. Taking in plenty of clean calories.

I think so far I like MDHT better overall than M5AA, but pre-workout I think M5 is much better. M5 just has with it that incredible hulk feeling....can't beat that.

One final thing to note about MDHT is that I've been dosing nolva at least every couple of days to fight gyno, even after coming off the M1,4. Nothing bad, I just started to feel symptoms and I took 20mg of Nolva and they went away. Since taking MDHT, I've had no gyno symtoms whatsoever.

 

[RobInKuwait]

Day 44:

Just did some cardio today. I read somewhere that people don't sweat much on MDHT, I felt the same thing. I had a hard pace on the elliptical for 25 minutes. The machine said my heart rate was around 140 most of the time, and I burnt 500 calories, but I barely broke a sweat. Normally I sweat alot, so this is interesting.

Day 45:

Weight- 253

Did a leg push workout today. My back doesn't hurt anymore, but I know it still isn't 100%, so I skipped the squats. Felt great tho. Over the last three weeks or so I've been doing hack squats with feet together to try and build my lagging outer quads, and its doing wonders for me.

Sex drive is still at about 800% from this MDHT. They should give this **** to porn stars. 3 times a day isn't enough :think: , and my wife won't give me more than that, so again, I'm forced to take this situation into my own hands :hammer: .

 

[cobain67]

Hey Rob, when you were on the m14add, how did you spread your dosages? BTW I am using Omega Sports' brand.

 

[RobInKuwait]

Hey Rob, when you were on the m14add, how did you spread your dosages? BTW I am using Omega Sports' brand.

I took 30mg about every 3-4 hours, with 60mg about 1 hr pre-workout. I wouldn't go above 60 pre-workout, as I got VERY painful pumps at 90 preworkout. It has a relatively short half-life, so I'd dose it 3 times a day at the bare minimum.

I took Designer Supps brand. Isn't Omega in 20 mg increments? If it is, you could even get away with dosing it 6 times a day.

 

[RobInKuwait]

Day 46:

Weight-255

MDHT dries me out so bad. I have to chase the pills with 32-64 oz of water or I'll be dehydrated 20 minutes later. It got so bad after 25min cardio, when I only rehydrated with 32oz of water, that about an hour later I had such a dehydration headache that I had to lie down and sip 3 32oz water bottles for an hour before I felt decent again. Also after dosing, if I piss bright yellow for the next hour, no matter how much water I drink.

Prostatewise (yes thats a word), I piss like a girl. No force behind it at all. Its like its just dripping out the end of my dick. No pain tho.

I lost all my water weight and got my 4 pack back from when I started, yet my weight is still rising. Not that I'm complaining. Its just odd.

For all you competative bodybuilders out there, MDHT may be the way to go to dry you out before the show.

 

[cobain67]

are you still keeping your diet consistant with what you first posted, or has it changed?

 

[RobInKuwait]

are you still keeping your diet consistant with what you first posted, or has it changed?

The calories have decreased slightly over the past week or so, but before that they were the same the whole time.

 

[RobInKuwait]

Day 47:

weight-254

Injected in my biceps this morning. Then I did my horizontal push/pull this afternoon. OUCH:blink:! Pumps were worse than ever. Luckily my wife was at the gym and I could have her massage my biceps in between sets. Still hurt like a bitch.

Got a PR on cable rows! 220X4. The highest I ever got before this cycle was like 180X6, so I'm getting decent strength gains.

I just realized the other day, that when I planned my cycle initially, I planned on injecting twice a week. Thats why I only ordered 25 syringes. For some reason I bought 100 slin pins, but only 25 syringes. I rush ordered 100 more wednesday morning, but I used my last one today, and I'm in Germany so it may take a week or two. I paid 20 bucks for shipping 30 dollars worth of crap from getpinz, so hopefully it won't be too long. I'm looking at maybe boiling water, sterilizing the syringe and just using fresh needles. How risky is that?

:cheers:Merry Christmas Everyone! :cheers:

 

[silverSurfer]

HO HO HO, Merry Christmas to you too !!!
Question, have you used dermal 3-alpha before and how would you compare it to MDHT?

 

[RobInKuwait]

HO HO HO, Merry Christmas to you too !!!
Question, have you used dermal 3-alpha before and how would you compare it to MDHT?

Sure haven't. The only pure androgenics I've only used are M5 and MDHT. Out of those two, M5 is about 10 times better preworkout, but for vascularity and libido MDHT is better.

 

[RobInKuwait]

Day 48:

Weight 259.5!

That is a hell of weight increase. I think its because stopped the MDHT today and gained back water weight. My new plan is to give my body a break from methyls for the holidays, then start up on a methyl again after the holidays. I'm thinking I may just finish up with some MOHN for the final 4 weeks. I'm thinking the MDHT is limiting my gains as its killing all my water weight. I probably started the MDHT too early in the cycle. Oh well.

Maybe I'll just try some M5 pre workout for the next couple of weeks then do something else for the final 4 weeks. Any input, or should I just stick to the MDHT?

Merry Christmas

 

[RobInKuwait]

Day 49:

Did leg pull workout (hamstrings/calves/lower back). Had to go light on the SLDL. I started M5 @ 40mg preworkout only. Intensity was through the roof.

Day 50:

Did vertical push/pull workout (shoulders/lats/traps). Got a PR on lat pulls. Up to 220X4. Amazing strength increase as I was doing about 180X 4 at the start of my cycle. Now I'm repping 180 for 10.

Day 51:

weight- 258

Off day. Injected in my rear delt. Didn't hurt at all. Not a bad injection site if you don't mind twisting around a little.

 

[bioman]

Looks like your cycle is finishing a couple of weeks before mine is. Is that 13 pounds solid or is there some water weight in there? I've read good things about IGF R3. I'm going to look into maybe getting some. I've also heard using it can increase ones chances of getting cancer, so I'm going to research that too. Good luck with the rest of your cycle and hitting the 2-0-0!

Ohh there's some water and a wee bit of bf increase as well. It was a shamefully dirty bulk. All in all I'm happy with what I've gotten out of this cycle..even without the IGF. Definitely use some 1-test next time though. Rob's results are pretty spectacular.

I'm ending cycle today due to a cold and cessation of gains. I think despite all the androgens and IGF I still managed to go into overtraining...because I'm a dork! lol

I'm gonna run a little bit of M5 for several days and phase it out as I phase in Nolva and Lean Extreme. Wanna dry out and see where I'm at. I'll probably run a short clen cycle in a week or two.

I'm hoping the IGF-cancer link only relates to metathesizing existing cancer clusters. My hairline is coming back in droves...its awesome. it has a nice effect on volumization.

 

[RobInKuwait]

Ohh there's some water and a wee bit of bf increase as well. It was a shamefully dirty bulk. All in all I'm happy with what I've gotten out of this cycle..even without the IGF. Definitely use some 1-test next time though. Rob's results are pretty spectacular.

I'm ending cycle today due to a cold and cessation of gains. I think despite all the androgens and IGF I still managed to go into overtraining...because I'm a dork! lol

I'm gonna run a little bit of M5 for several days and phase it out as I phase in Nolva and Lean Extreme. Wanna dry out and see where I'm at. I'll probably run a short clen cycle in a week or two.

I'm hoping the IGF-cancer link only relates to metathesizing existing cancer clusters. My hairline is coming back in droves...its awesome. it has a nice effect on volumization.

Wow, good stuff. Yeah, the 1 test snuck up on me when I thought I was done gaining.

I'm definitely gonna use IGF at the end of my next cycle (lean bulker....test E and superdrol :twisted: ).

 

[RobInKuwait]

Day 52:

weight- 260

Had a good leg push workout today. Strength was up again.

I posted some pics below. Notice the arm growth. I can't wait to tape it and see how much bigger they got.

My gut looks significantly bigger tho too.....oh well :hammer:

 

[RobInKuwait]

Day 63:

weight-262.5

Been on Superdrol at 20mg ED for the past week. Its really an interesting substance. No sides yet. Have slightly increased focus and aggression. Strength has been going through the roof and I've finally gotten over that 260 hump that I was fighting for the past 3 weeks. I have one more week of 1test cyp/4ad cyp, and 2 more weeks of superdrol. Hopefully in the next two weeks I can get to a solid 265 before starting PCT and be in the upper 250s after PCT.

 

[b-boy]

damn rob, excellent log, i actually read the whole damn thing.(very unlike me!) congrats on the gains, but let me say one thing and don't take this in a bad way, or a flame, but you still had a **** load of natural growth left in you, you should have saved the prohormone route for about 2yrs from now, get your diet and lifting right then take the drug route. I see this soooo much on the boards, that everyone is just jumping on methyl this and cyp that, before getting the basics down, your growth will be 10 fold if this is done first.



GREAT LOG :thumbsup:

 

[houseman]

excuse me here...

but how fucking tall are you?

 

[RobInKuwait]

damn rob, excellent log, i actually read the whole damn thing.(very unlike me!) congrats on the gains, but let me say one thing and don't take this in a bad way, or a flame, but you still had a **** load of natural growth left in you, you should have saved the prohormone route for about 2yrs from now, get your diet and lifting right then take the drug route. I see this soooo much on the boards, that everyone is just jumping on methyl this and cyp that, before getting the basics down, your growth will be 10 fold if this is done first.

GREAT LOG :thumbsup:

Wow, I was wondering if anyone was still reading.....glad to hear someone is .

I completely agree with you about having the natural growth left. I'm wishing I would've waited before jumping headfirst into M1T about a year ago. Since then I've done 3 more cycles, this being by far the longest. As much as I hate to admit it, I think mentally I've sort of became androgen dependent. The instant results are addicting. I think after cutting off a cut and eating as many calories as I was, I would've gained 15-20 lbs naturally in this 10 weeks. However, I think I also would have gained alot more fat and had smaller strength increases.

I plan on going natural for the next 6-9 months or so, and probably becoming one of Bobo's clients, so I can learn to perfect diet and exercise before I consider going back on cycle again.

 

[RobInKuwait]

excuse me here...

but how fucking tall are you?

I am fucking 6'4.

 

[b-boy]

Wow, I was wondering if anyone was still reading.....glad to hear someone is .



I plan on going natural for the next 6-9 months or so, and probably becoming one of Bobo's clients, so I can learn to perfect diet and exercise before I consider going back on cycle again.

very wise decision!!!!!! :thumbsup:
you will be happy with your choice..

 

[oldfart]

damn rob, excellent log, i actually read the whole damn thing.(very unlike me!) congrats on the gains, but let me say one thing and don't take this in a bad way, or a flame, but you still had a **** load of natural growth left in you, you should have saved the prohormone route for about 2yrs from now, get your diet and lifting right then take the drug route. I see this soooo much on the boards, that everyone is just jumping on methyl this and cyp that, before getting the basics down, your growth will be 10 fold if this is done first.



GREAT LOG :thumbsup:

Yea. Nice log. Strangely compelling.

I think it may have been all the sex :twisted:

 

[RobInKuwait]

Yea. Nice log. Strangely compelling.

I think it may have been all the sex :twisted:

Thanks!
I haven't been updating it lately, but libido is shot to **** ever since I got off the MDHT. The wifes been nagging me for it. I haven't been like that since I was on MDien four or five months ago. Looking forward to PCT and reclaiming my natural hormones!

 

[RobInKuwait]

I'm at the end of my first week of PCT. Weighing in consistently at 255-260, so I haven't really lost any weight. I'm also getting my pre-cycle cuts back. My muscles don't look as full, but they're clear lines on them.

Workouts have SUCKED ASS.....must be the cortisol buildup. I cut my volume in half, only hitting the gym for about 25 minutes the two times I've gone this week, intensity is still there tho. I was hitting the gym for ussually slightly over an hour on androgens. Also I've been sore as ****. I realized that I haven't been sore in about 10 weeks.......sucks coming back to reality. I haven't lost any strength yet, so thats good.

Finally, I'm feeling like a million bucks. I feel like my blood pressure has dropped and I can relax for the first time in months. I can think clearly. Lost the godlike feeling I had while "on". Feels good to be mortal again tho. Libido is great.....and up. Feels natural again.....plus Clomid money shots rule!

Heres my PCT proticol:

50mg Nolva
100mg Clomid
ECA
CEE

Gonna hop on clen and alternate 2 on 2 off with ECA I think. I also have the anarchy stack on the way, so that should be fun too.

I'll update PCT about once a week.

 

[RobInKuwait]

27 Jan

Weight-250
This is the end of my second week of PCT. My strength is still increasing. I think that CEE is working good. I'm losing mass tho. I was hoping to stay at 255, but I just can't seem to eat enough. I think I'm going to cut down cardio and keep trying to eat more.....its harder to get hungary without the androgens for some reason tho.

I started tapering down nolva to 25mg ed and clomid to 50mg ed.

Just got word I may deploy to Afghanistan next month......maybe I'll have to change my name to RobInAfghanistan . If I go, I'm going to smuggle in ALOT of superdrol and get huge there. I'll come back at a good 275-280. Hope I go .

 

[keith1569]

great log bro..lovin it

 

[RobInKuwait]

Alright, I'm a little over 3 weeks into PCT, so this'll be my last entry into this log. Let me just give a run through on my changes:

Starting weight: 230
Todays weight: 255.5

Strength
All my lifts are up. The ones of note are cable rows and lat pulls. I went from 180X8 to 220X8 on lat pulls and cable rows. I also increased my squat dramatically going from 185X10 to 225X10.

Observations: CEE is great for PCT. I continued making strength gains with it well into PCT. DHEA is also nice. The Clomid and Nolva seemed to work well together also. I also leaned out in PCT. I don't know if all the bloat just disappeared or what, but I'm only about one percent higher than I was out the start of the cycle.

I think I'm going to enjoy fiddling around with non hormonal supps for at least the next month or so, then go give superdrol a go on its own. Eventually, if I get the nerve, I may do a Test E cycle, but theres no rush on that right now. I'm finding I can gain well without anabolics, so I'm going to keep doing that for awhile. My next benchmark to shoot for is a solid 260 .

 

[uridium245]

Great progress Rob. :box:

I figured you'd like the CEE it is some excellent ****. Might I also recommend you get some nettle root. It will greatly increase the amount of free test in your body by binding to the SHGB enzyme. Whats nice about it is this doesn't appear to effect the HPTA pathway. If I weighed as much as you I'd start dosing at 1500mg a day spread throughout the day. Evaluate your results and go from there. You may need as much a 2 grams a day, but hey the stuff is cheap.

 

[RobInKuwait]

Great progress Rob. :box:

I figured you'd like the CEE it is some excellent ****. Might I also recommend you get some nettle root. It will greatly increase the amount of free test in your body by binding to the SHGB enzyme. Whats nice about it is this doesn't appear to effect the HPTA pathway. If I weighed as much as you I'd start dosing at 1500mg a day spread throughout the day. Evaluate your results and go from there. You may need as much a 2 grams a day, but hey the stuff is cheap.

Free test is good stuff. I'll have to pick some up. Thanks!

 

[DR.D]

How detrimental is missing one injection then taking double the amount the next time?

What's up RIK?
That's not too detrimental on a cycle like yours. Sometimes I'll just do 1.5x on the next one or two if shot volume is high, or even just skip it.

 

[RobInKuwait]

What's up RIK?
That's not too detrimental on a cycle like yours. Sometimes I'll just do 1.5x on the next one or two if shot volume is high, or even just skip it.

Good deal, thats what I figured, but its good to hear from a doctor . Thanks for the response. I've been off for over a month now, and I've started gaining again. I hit 260 last night before bed, but then woke up at 255. Its so much harder to put on weight without androgens. I've cleaned up my diet a little and upped my calories a bit, to like 6000-7000 a day. I think I'll keep gaining weight, I just have to be more patient.

I think I want to do another cycle in early march. Definitly not a 10 weeker tho...too many sides for too long. Maybe like 5-6 weeks tops. A Test Prop (if I can get over to poland or prague) and superdrol lean bulker. Looking to hit 280....we'll see .

How you been Dr. D? Are you still Superdroled?

 

[DR.D]

Superdroled, who me? You know me too well my friend! Hey, it's not on the list right?! I was planning to go for it again real soon. I was thinking of something similar to yours, it's just too bad I don't live next to Poland.

Much love for RobInKuwait, God bless our troops and their families!!

 

[RobInKuwait]

Superdroled, who me? You know me too well my friend! Hey, it's not on the list right?! I was planning to go for it again real soon. I was thinking of something similar to yours, it's just too bad I don't live next to Poland.

Much love for RobInKuwait, God bless our troops and their families!!

The thing about Poland is I have to figure out a way to entice my wife into wanting to go on a trip there...she's a beach/warm temperature woman. Don't think there are too many beaches in Poland tho . Maybe Greece is a good option .

Are you going to do another log for your next cycle?

 

[DR.D]

... Don't think there are too many beaches in Poland tho . Maybe Greece is a good option .

Are you going to do another log for your next cycle?

Just tell her she may never have the chance to see Poland again and it might have a beach somewhere! OK, that's a pretty weak argument.

I might do a log, if I have time. It would be a real generic one.

 

[Hustlers]

that cycle is crazy lol