risks of long term HRT protocol

[DT5]

every one always says "your destined for HRT for life since you ****ed yourself up with abuse...yada yada"...

well im 25, and have low levels. my first cycle was an HRT dose from a clinic this year.
My new doc basically wants me to stay on indefinitly. i will tell you this...IM not going to do that, but I do plan on using for a long long time, 20 week cycles, take off for 8 weeks or so, then repeat.

since i am 25, is it bad that i will be on HRT for life now?
serious health risks? why is HRT so "bad" to be on?

 

[ozarkaBRAND]

I'd rather be on HRT/TRT than not.

I say that now. Look, low-dose testosterone supplementation doesn't normally carry a high incidence of problems.

 

[JanSz]

I'd rather be on HRT/TRT than not.

I say that now. Look, low-dose testosterone supplementation doesn't normally carry a high incidence of problems.

No, not really, except for:

Loss of sex drive
Erectile dysfunction
Bone loss or fracture
sleep disturbance,
depressed mood,
diminished physical performance
shorter life span from other resons

 

[ozarkaBRAND]

No, not really, except for:

Loss of sex drive
Erectile dysfunction
Bone loss or fracture
sleep disturbance,
depressed mood,
diminished physical performance
shorter life span from other resons

These are obviously worst case scenario, and shouldn't deter someone who would use responsibly. Actually, I'm willing to wager that the majority of these side effects are generated in lieu of the negative view of anabolic steroids held by most, and not because of what happens most, or even 5%, of the time.

 

[DT5]

No, not really, except for:

Loss of sex drive
Erectile dysfunction
Bone loss or fracture
sleep disturbance,
depressed mood,
diminished physical performance
shorter life span from other resons

wierd, ive heard TRT will improve these.

 

[K1212]

I think it might be bad to be on because people dont really know the health risks 20 years from now, will it cause cancer? Most doctors probably dont want to put young people on it because maybe they suspect it might cause problems down the road

 

[monomer]

No, not really, except for:

Loss of sex drive
Erectile dysfunction
Bone loss or fracture
sleep disturbance,
depressed mood,
diminished physical performance
shorter life span from other resons

Are you saying that these are problems associated with TRT or from being low-T?

 

[K1212]

Are you saying that these are problems associated with TRT or from being low-T?

no those are probably results of not being on T


And outside of the diminished sex drive and erectile dysfunction and perhaps the bone loss or fracture(osteoporosis) the other things are questionable

 

[mooch2321]

every one always says "your destined for HRT for life since you ****ed yourself up with abuse...yada yada"...

well im 25, and have low levels. my first cycle was an HRT dose from a clinic this year.
My new doc basically wants me to stay on indefinitly. i will tell you this...IM not going to do that, but I do plan on using for a long long time, 20 week cycles, take off for 8 weeks or so, then repeat.

since i am 25, is it bad that i will be on HRT for life now?
serious health risks? why is HRT so "bad" to be on?

i dont understand why you think you should cycle off of trt...if you have low test levels before trt then your probably gonna have very low levels during the 8 weeks you take off...you will be miserable for two months...hrt and trt are for life...if you need it thats the reality...just keep getting your bloodwork done and live life a happier and healthier person...

 

[DT5]

i dont understand why you think you should cycle off of trt...if you have low test levels before trt then your probably gonna have very low levels during the 8 weeks you take off...you will be miserable for two months...hrt and trt are for life...if you need it thats the reality...just keep getting your bloodwork done and live life a happier and healthier person...

i think everything needs a break. maybe i will only take 4 weeks off...but i think you need to let your body rest. at 25, i am not ready to jump on for life. my test is low, but i dont think its low enough to justify being on for the rest of my life.
352 is my total test as a natty

 

[JanSz]

i think everything needs a break. maybe i will only take 4 weeks off...but i think you need to let your body rest. at 25, i am not ready to jump on for life. my test is low, but i dont think its low enough to justify being on for the rest of my life.
352 is my total test as a natty

Now and then stop breading for a few days just to give lungs a rest.

 

[B5150]

I promise you after 20 weeks on you will have zero test and you will in no way simply just recover to near your low baseline.

You obviously have no idea what you are doing to your body.

I am moving this to the steroid section.

Best of luck.

 

[tnick7]

i think everything needs a break. maybe i will only take 4 weeks off...but i think you need to let your body rest. at 25, i am not ready to jump on for life. my test is low, but i dont think its low enough to justify being on for the rest of my life.
352 is my total test as a natty

See an endo. A good one (and you may need to see more than one!!) will attempt to get your natural test levels into the higher range on the spectrum first (HCG, clomid etc).

HRT is a big decision to make, especially at 25. If you get put on HRT you have to realize that you will pin at least once a week for the rest of your life.

Your missing something about HRT. HRT will replace your natural testosterone, you will likely never produce again, so, there is no taking 4-8 weeks off. Only benefit is you can blast and cruise test as you cycles (for instance 1-2 times a year, go up to 500mg/week for 10-14 weeks). But seriously consider things. I wouldn't jump on the idea too fast. Good luck.

 

[citystreets]

why dont you try a thorough pct

 

[bb4life]

your test is a little low... but i would never get on trt at that level. you can do things to bring your natty test up instead of destroying it completely. My best friend has levels very close to yours(maybe even a little lower) and he is fine. actually a marine now and has no problems. getting on replacement therapy at your age with those levels seems ridiculous to me. done ranting now.

 

[DT5]

I promise you after 20 weeks on you will have zero test and you will in no way simply just recover to near your low baseline.

You obviously have no idea what you are doing to your body.

I am moving this to the steroid section.

Best of luck.

please explain miser. I will be on hcg through out cycle. this is what my doc told me to do. in a sense, if i did 400mg a week for 20 weeks, and followed a complete PCT with HCG and nolva and or clomid, why would I have ZERo natural test?

 

[bb4life]

please explain miser. I will be on hcg through out cycle. this is what my doc told me to do. in a sense, if i did 400mg a week for 20 weeks, and followed a complete PCT with HCG and nolva and or clomid, why would I have ZERo natural test?

you didn't state that you were using hcg/clomid/nolva.... you said you were getting on trt then gonna be taking a break for x weeks then getting back on.... what you just stated would be a regular steroid cycle. You don't know much about this stuff and should research a lot before doing anything.

 

[B5150]

please explain miser. I will be on hcg through out cycle. this is what my doc told me to do. in a sense, if i did 400mg a week for 20 weeks, and followed a complete PCT with HCG and nolva and or clomid, why would I have ZERo natural test?

This was your post:

well im 25, and have low levels. my first cycle was an HRT dose from a clinic this year.
My new doc basically wants me to stay on indefinitly. i will tell you this...IM not going to do that, but I do plan on using for a long long time, 20 week cycles, take off for 8 weeks or so, then repeat.

What you are discussing is nothing more than running a cycle. That is not TRT.

Good luck.

 

[mooch2321]

please explain miser. I will be on hcg through out cycle. this is what my doc told me to do. in a sense, if i did 400mg a week for 20 weeks, and followed a complete PCT with HCG and nolva and or clomid, why would I have ZERo natural test?

first off...400 mgs a week is not hrt...this is a steroid cycle...i dont believe a doctor recomended this to you...and second the longer you stay on the harder it will be to jumpstart your natty hormone production...hcg only positively effects 1/3 of your hpta...so in essence when you come off for eight weeks by the end of it your body will only be just getting back to you natty levels(wich are already low)...why is your test levels low in the first place...have you cycled irresponsibly or is this something else.

in essence it really sounds like you havent done enough research to be cycling like this

edit: dammnit...two of you beat me to it

 

[mj34]

wierd, ive heard TRT will improve these.

Yes, I have been on TRT for almost 4 years and it does help immensly. My T levles were so low before I got on TRT that I didn't even have a sex drive. 25 seems a tad bit early, but everyone is different and if you have low T levels and you have a good endo that knows what he is doing, obviously he is recommending this for a good reason. Its not easy to get on TRT and if you have low levels, atleast in my case my life was pretty crappy; however; since the addition of Test and Deca year round I feel better than I ever have in my life. I also think that it is easier on the body to stay on TRT doses, instead of running long cycles and then coming off, doing PCT, then repeating it again. The idea of TRT is to keep your horomone levels at a stable level so you can feel better.

 

[mj34]

first off...400 mgs a week is not hrt...this is a steroid cycle...i dont believe a doctor recomended this to you...and second the longer you stay on the harder it will be to jumpstart your natty hormone production...hcg only positively effects 1/3 of your hpta...so in essence when you come off for eight weeks by the end of it your body will only be just getting back to you natty levels(wich are already low)...why is your test levels low in the first place...have you cycled irresponsibly or is this something else.

in essence it really sounds like you havent done enough research to be cycling like this

No 100-200max is TRT ranges and some docs prescribe 200mgs every 2 or 3 weeks, so 400 is basically cycling range.

 

[DT5]

you didn't state that you were using hcg/clomid/nolva.... you said you were getting on trt then gonna be taking a break for x weeks then getting back on.... what you just stated would be a regular steroid cycle. You don't know much about this stuff and should research a lot before doing anything.

oh sorry mr. roid guru. sorry i didnt tell you EVERYTHING.
thanks

 

[DT5]

first off...400 mgs a week is not hrt...this is a steroid cycle...i dont believe a doctor recomended this to you...and second the longer you stay on the harder it will be to jumpstart your natty hormone production...hcg only positively effects 1/3 of your hpta...so in essence when you come off for eight weeks by the end of it your body will only be just getting back to you natty levels(wich are already low)...why is your test levels low in the first place...have you cycled irresponsibly or is this something else.

in essence it really sounds like you havent done enough research to be cycling like this

edit: dammnit...two of you beat me to it

352 nattty, never cycled ANYTHING before. and actually this was my second doctors advice to do 400 a week, 2 different clinics so far that have both recommended this. PM me if you want more info on the clinic

 

[mooch2321]

352 nattty, never cycled ANYTHING before. and actually this was my second doctors advice to do 400 a week, 2 different clinics so far that have both recommended this. PM me if you want more info on the clinic

pming now...

 

[mj34]

Are you saying that these are problems associated with TRT or from being low-T?

No, these are defintly from having low T-levels

 

[DT5]

No, these are defintly from having low T-levels

how much a week do you take? and in conjunction with HCG or no?

 

[mj34]

how much a week do you take? and in conjunction with HCG or no?

No HCG, balls are over-rated IMO, just kidding. Test has never affected the size of my testes reagrdless of the dose, the compounds that do effect it are Deca and Dbol. I run 200mgs of Test per week and 100mgs of DecaEW (primarily for joints) the doc didn't give me the deca I added that in. I used to run HCG every 4 weeks, using 2500ius for 2 weeks then repeat in 4 weeks. There is no one right way to run HCG, other than you dont run it during your PCT. I know guys who run it EW, in the beginning and in the end of the cycle so how you run HCG depends on how it works best for you. There are a lot of HCG protocols that you can google as well.

 

[DT5]

No HCG, balls are over-rated IMO, just kidding. Test has never affected the size of my testes reagrdless of the dose, the compounds that do effect it are Deca and Dbol. I run 200mgs of Test per week and 100mgs of DecaEW (primarily for joints) the doc didn't give me the deca I added that in. I used to run HCG every 4 weeks, using 2500ius for 2 weeks then repeat in 4 weeks. There is no one right way to run HCG, other than you dont run it during your PCT. I know guys who run it EW, in the beginning and in the end of the cycle so how you run HCG depends on how it works best for you. There are a lot of HCG protocols that you can google as well.

hmm.


what does doing it every 4 weeks do for you?

getting my wife preggo is a big deal in a few years, so i really need to hit the HCG throughout as ive been told.

 

[mj34]

hmm.


what does doing it every 4 weeks do for you?

getting my wife preggo is a big deal in a few years, so i really need to hit the HCG throughout as ive been told.

Thats just how it works for me, the other ways work to but I prefer this method. I havent used HCG for a long time now so. Every 4th week for 2 weeks keeps the boys full and running. Do it the way it works for you and yes, HCG is defintly important for pregnancy. Also when trying to have a baby make sure you TRT levels are low and you are not cycling. You may even have to come off completly,idk everyone once again is different so the best of luck to you!

 

[DT5]

Thats just how it works for me, the other ways work to but I prefer this method. I havent used HCG for a long time now so. Every 4th week for 2 weeks keeps the boys full and running. Do it the way it works for you and yes, HCG is defintly important for pregnancy. Also when trying to have a baby make sure you TRT levels are low and you are not cycling. You may even have to come off completly,idk everyone once again is different so the best of luck to you!

thanks man. positive feedback is always appreciated...unlike some of these replys.

when you say CYCLE...do you mean for instance doing 8 weeks of 200mg, then cycling 400 for 4 weeks for example? or do you mean, your entire cycle?

 

[JanSz]

every one always says "your destined for HRT for life since you ****ed yourself up with abuse...yada yada"...

well im 25, and have low levels. my first cycle was an HRT dose from a clinic this year.
My new doc basically wants me to stay on indefinitly. i will tell you this...IM not going to do that, but I do plan on using for a long long time, 20 week cycles, take off for 8 weeks or so, then repeat.

since i am 25, is it bad that i will be on HRT for life now?
serious health risks? why is HRT so "bad" to be on?

When someone says that he is on HRT there is good possibility of total misunderstanding.

H may stand for:

1#-use of steroids (bad)
2#-use of excessive amount of testosterone (bad)
3#-use of balanced variety of human bio-identical hormones (good)

(1 & 2) are harmful to our bodies and not discussed on this board.

(1 & 2) are run for certain amount of time (cycled) and after cycle PCT post cycle theraphy is attempted.

When PCT works we do not hear about it.
When PCT do not work we hear about it but any help that is proposed is fruitless.

Some claim that they were succesful after their (super-special) PCT, do not belive them.

People who had usuccesful PCT and now have low T levels will live, some have unaffected sex function, some exercise and build good muscles.

Recently publicized long term study finds that men who had their BAT (BioAvailableTestosterone) in upper 1/4 of range, live 41% longer.

Low testosterone levels are conducive to long term problems
psychological
metabolic
there is often posted long list describing details of those problems.

===========================================

Someone who find him self with low testosterone should make attempt to restore it.
It does take some work to do it. Few doctors know how to do it right. Many (of the willing type) doctors are misguided because they borrow from knowledge base of steroid users.
Other doctors look for quick buck.

Better way is to not concentrate on testosterone alone.
There is about 15 major hormones that should be monitored and if possible, adjusted.

So many of us need HRT.
The good kind HRT
--

Happy New Year 2009

...

EDIT;

After posting, I realized that the thread have been moved to steroid board.

Good luck, and be carefull out there.
.
.

 

[James]

and actually this was my second doctors advice to do 400 a week, 2 different clinics so far that have both recommended this.

those sound like great clinics.

 

[aisstea]

These are obviously worst case scenario, and shouldn't deter someone who would use responsibly. Actually, I'm willing to wager that the majority of these side effects are generated in lieu of the negative view of anabolic steroids held by most, and not because of what happens most, or even 5%, of the time.

It's not really a rarely worst case. My testosterone is 400 and free testosterone just 61... I have all of those symptoms and many many more.

 

[heavyiron]

first off...400 mgs a week is not hrt...this is a steroid cycle...i dont believe a doctor recomended this to you...and second the longer you stay on the harder it will be to jumpstart your natty hormone production...hcg only positively effects 1/3 of your hpta...so in essence when you come off for eight weeks by the end of it your body will only be just getting back to you natty levels(wich are already low)...why is your test levels low in the first place...have you cycled irresponsibly or is this something else.

in essence it really sounds like you havent done enough research to be cycling like this

edit: dammnit...two of you beat me to it

HAhahahaha

DT5 uses my doc and she is very liberal. I love her actually =)

 

[heavyiron]

When someone says that he is on HRT there is good possibility of total misunderstanding.

H may stand for:

1#-use of steroids (bad)
2#-use of excessive amount of testosterone (bad)
3#-use of balanced variety of human bio-identical hormones (good)

(1 & 2) are harmful to our bodies and not discussed on this board.

(1 & 2) are run for certain amount of time (cycled) and after cycle PCT post cycle theraphy is attempted.

When PCT works we do not hear about it.
When PCT do not work we hear about it but any help that is proposed is fruitless.

Some claim that they were succesful after their (super-special) PCT, do not belive them.

People who had usuccesful PCT and now have low T levels will live, some have unaffected sex function, some exercise and build good muscles.

Recently publicized long term study finds that men who had their BAT (BioAvailableTestosterone) in upper 1/4 of range, live 41% longer.

Low testosterone levels are conducive to long term problems
psychological
metabolic
there is often posted long list describing details of those problems.

===========================================

Someone who find him self with low testosterone should make attempt to restore it.
It does take some work to do it. Few doctors know how to do it right. Many (of the willing type) doctors are misguided because they borrow from knowledge base of steroid users.
Other doctors look for quick buck.

Better way is to not concentrate on testosterone alone.
There is about 15 major hormones that should be monitored and if possible, adjusted.

So many of us need HRT.
The good kind HRT
--

Happy New Year 2009

...

EDIT;

After posting, I realized that the thread have been moved to steroid board.

Good luck, and be carefull out there.
.
.

I'll take #2 please

 

[DT5]

HAhahahaha

DT5 uses my doc and she is very liberal. I love her actually =)

pretty crazy. thats what most people say on here!

i dont know, im just feeling guilty in a way. i want to live a long healthy life, but my low test was buggin the **** out of me. no one can really tell me "i will be fine", or "im going to die when im 40", so its a tough thing to decide at my age (26 tomorrow!)

why is "cycling" higher TRT doses and coming off completely back to my natty level of 352, "BAD"? i dont see any proof to contradict this. I know HeavyIron does this as well. Granted he is older than me, but the same concept applies. at 26, i want the Test increased, but at 26, i also dont want to stay on it forever until im much older (as ive heard the long term effects of lifetime HRT are somewhat unknown).

 

[heavyiron]

pretty crazy. thats what most people say on here!

i dont know, im just feeling guilty in a way. i want to live a long healthy life, but my low test was buggin the **** out of me. no one can really tell me "i will be fine", or "im going to die when im 40", so its a tough thing to decide at my age (26 tomorrow!)

why is "cycling" higher TRT doses and coming off completely back to my natty level of 352, "BAD"? i dont see any proof to contradict this. I know HeavyIron does this as well. Granted he is older than me, but the same concept applies. at 26, i want the Test increased, but at 26, i also dont want to stay on it forever until im much older (as ive heard the long term effects of lifetime HRT are somewhat unknown).

you will reach a point where your natural will not be able to support the mass. You are probably not at the genetic limit but without trying cycling you just won't know.

 

[DT5]

you will reach a point where your natural will not be able to support the mass. You are probably not at the genetic limit but without trying cycling you just won't know.

woman is takin me out for my birthday tonight. gonna set my clean bulk back by 3 weeks i have a feeling....