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RedSwan's long 4AD/1AD/Superdrol (12 weeks) cycle log. Started June 4th

Your results are great, bro! Blood test looks pretty damn good, too! :thumbsup:

can't wait to see the big 3 on Monday!!!!
 
Yeah man, that looks pretty good. Even though the HDL dropped, so did your LDL too, so the ratio remains desirable. Not bad at all.
 
but that hdl dropped alot...you will need some real good supps for lipid profile restoration


can you do a post of all your gains in strength?
 
bigman420 said:
but that hdl dropped alot...you will need some real good supps for lipid profile restoration


can you do a post of all your gains in strength?
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He will, be patient :thumbsup: He just can't post his routine b/c he's paying for it...
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
He will, be patient :thumbsup: He just can't post his routine b/c he's paying for it...
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Yup. :) Ok, here's the deal: This monday is July 4th, and my gym is only going to be open for a few hours in the morning, which is my sleeping time. So Tuesday I'm going in the gym and getting a 1 rep max on Bench, and doing other work. Wednesday I'll be doing a super short version of what it normally is. Friday I go in the gym and get a 1 rep max on Squat. Deadlift isn't tested at this time. Using my numbers from the Deadlift a few weeks ago and plugging them into a 1repmax calculator (that has been pretty damn spot on for me over the course of the last 3 months - sometimes I can do a bit more, sometimes a bit less), I'd calculate deadlift has gone up by about 35 to 45 pounds. For 4 weeks of time, I'd say that's damn good! :) (my previous 1repmax numbers I posted at the beginning of this thread where taken RIGHT before this cycle started).

The hdl is low, yes, but I've seen other people's even lower from a shorter amount of time on. I was pretty amazed that ldl dropped also, most peoples' skyrocket. Reading through the thread, you'll see all the stuff that I take daily, some if it geared directly towards cholesterol support. I don't know of anything else that I could really add in, but if someone knows of something I'd be willing to look into it.

Honestly, I'm not that worried about it right now. I'm no longer taking superdrol (the culprit here in lowering hdl), and I think with how my bloodwork came back so far, and with 4 weeks off of use, it should get back close to normal. Of course then it will take another hit with the last 4 weeks of superdrol, but that was the whole point of structuring the use like I did. HDL will only be "low" for relatively short periods of time. Then again, we'll see how the bloodwork comes back 4 weeks from now right before the superdrol starts again. Be smart - get bloodwork. :D
 
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Yup. :) Ok, here's the deal: This monday is July 4th, and my gym is only going to be open for a few hours in the morning, which is my sleeping time. So Tuesday I'm going in the gym and getting a 1 rep max on Bench, and doing other work. Wednesday I'll be doing a super short version of what it normally is. Friday I go in the gym and get a 1 rep max on Squat. Deadlift isn't tested at this time. Using my numbers from the Deadlift a few weeks ago and plugging them into a 1repmax calculator (that has been pretty damn spot on for me over the course of the last 3 months - sometimes I can do a bit more, sometimes a bit less), I'd calculate deadlift has gone up by about 35 to 45 pounds. For 4 weeks of time, I'd say that's damn good! :) (my previous 1repmax numbers I posted at the beginning of this thread where taken RIGHT before this cycle started).

The hdl is low, yes, but I've seen other people's even lower from a shorter amount of time on. I was pretty amazed that ldl dropped also, most peoples' skyrocket. Reading through the thread, you'll see all the stuff that I take daily, some if it geared directly towards cholesterol support. I don't know of anything else that I could really add in, but if someone knows of something I'd be willing to look into it.

Honestly, I'm not that worried about it right now. I'm no longer taking superdrol (the culprit here in lowering hdl), and I think with how my bloodwork came back so far, and with 4 weeks off of use, it should get back close to normal. Of course then it will take another hit with the last 4 weeks of superdrol, but that was the whole point of structuring the use like I did. HDL will only be "low" for relatively short periods of time. Then again, we'll see how the bloodwork comes back 4 weeks from now right before the superdrol starts again. Be smart - get bloodwork. :D
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Okay dude! i am getting jelouse of the kind of gains that you are making ****. If i am unable to reach my desired goal in this bulking cycle, i might end up doing this same cycle you are doing for my last bulking cycle in December or January. But instead of using superdrol i will opt for Ergomax Lmg. First i have to get my blood work done see where i stand.
 
It's not that bad for just a few months. Of course, it does all add up. I'm pretty sure I recommended flax, fish and saff oil to keep HDL healthy right from the start of his cycle.

bigman420 said:
but that hdl dropped alot...you will need some real good supps for lipid profile restoration
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diplomats said:
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Okay dude! i am getting jelouse of the kind of gains that you are making ****. If i am unable to reach my desired goal in this bulking cycle, i might end up doing this same cycle you are doing for my last bulking cycle in December or January. But instead of using superdrol i will opt for Ergomax Lmg. First i have to get my blood work done see where i stand.
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Nah man, you shouldn't be jealous at all! You're considerably bigger than I am, and thus you are probably closer to your genetic potential. Since I'm smaller and farther away from my genetic potential, my "gains" are easier to attain. I mean, I'm not even up to the point where you STARTED at man. :) Keep that all in mind. Your pounds are harder to gain than mine are. And of course, compare strength levels. You just pulled 505 in deads for a few reps, and my 1 rep max I'm calculating at about 350 to 360.

DR.D said:
It's not that bad for just a few months. Of course, it does all add up. I'm pretty sure I recommended flax, fish and saff oil to keep HDL healthy right from the start of his cycle.
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Yes, you did Dr.D. :) I added in 10 grams of Fish oil a night. I'll definately look into adding flax and saff oil now. Well, let me throw this out there, in my diet, I have only pro + carb meals, or pro + fat meals. Basically, I incorporate a "carb cutoff", so my last two meals of the day are when I get in my fat. 2nd to last meal of the day has 1 Tbsp EVOO, and 1 Tbsp Udo's Choice oil. Last meal of the day has 1 Tbsp EVOO, and the 10 grams of Fish oil in it. Where would you recommend that I get in the flax and saff oil?
 
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Yes, you did Dr.D. :) I added in 10 grams of Fish oil a night. I'll definately look into adding flax and saff oil now. Well, let me throw this out there, in my diet, I have only pro + carb meals, or pro + fat meals. Basically, I incorporate a "carb cutoff", so my last two meals of the day are when I get in my fat. 2nd to last meal of the day has 1 Tbsp EVOO, and 1 Tbsp Udo's Choice oil. Last meal of the day has 1 Tbsp EVOO, and the 10 grams of Fish oil in it. Where would you recommend that I get in the flax and saff oil?
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I didn't realize you were doing all those other good oils. That's perfect just how your doing it. Now I understand why you LDL dropped. You could do a mid cycle 1 month fenugreek sub-cycle and still be off a month before PCT. That might raise HDL. It will raise a bit going off the SD but the fin is a strong progestin so it'll hurt HDL too.
 
Redswan is the man. You're making great progress buddy, keep it up and things may work out quite well for you :D
 
RedSwan78 said:
Nah man, you shouldn't be jealous at all! You're considerably bigger than I am, and thus you are probably closer to your genetic potential. Since I'm smaller and farther away from my genetic potential, my "gains" are easier to attain. I mean, I'm not even up to the point where you STARTED at man. :) Keep that all in mind. Your pounds are harder to gain than mine are. And of course, compare strength levels. You just pulled 505 in deads for a few reps, and my 1 rep max I'm calculating at about 350 to 360.
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I Know but i wish the pounds could still keep coming like they used to when i was fresh in the prohormone field. You are doing great bro, keep up the good work. The way you are going, **** you will be there in no time. As for me, well i might just run the superdrol for 2 weeks to end my cycle.
 
Looking good man! Keep it up, I look forward to seeing how everything comes out in the end -- if you noticed I have a thread started for a planned long cycle I want to do. Definatly interested in seeing how yours turns out.
 
Day 29, Sat. July 2
Start of week 5
Weight: 190.4 (+14.4)

I ended up taking a dose of Letrozole last night right before I went to bed. Today was sled pulling and cardio. My neighbors pretty much think I'm crazy by now with all the sled pulling I do. Alot of them have accepted that I'm just the crazy white guy that pulls weights around the street, but a few of them that haven't seen me do it yet give me that "what the hell is he doing" look. I love it. :D Started with the FinigenX today. HOLY HELL does this stuff taste like hot cinnamin burning death! lol!

Sorry guys, I forgot to take measurements this morning, had alot going on. I'll make sure to take them tomorrow too. (I could take some right now, but I want to keep everything a "constant" as much as possible, so morning measurements it is).

DR.D said:
I didn't realize you were doing all those other good oils. That's perfect just how your doing it. Now I understand why you LDL dropped. You could do a mid cycle 1 month fenugreek sub-cycle and still be off a month before PCT. That might raise HDL. It will raise a bit going off the SD but the fin is a strong progestin so it'll hurt HDL too.
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Dr. D, I was following this same protocol with the oils for the 2 months previous to starting this cycle. The only addition at the start of this was the Fish Oil. (Thanks customnutritionwarehouse.com for the awesome price! :D ) I'm still interested in adding in some Flax or Safflower oil. I figure that I could just swallow them inbetween my last two meals of the day. (they're about 2 to 3.5 hours apart) Any place you recommend to get them? Are these things that I can just pick up at the grocery store? That's pretty interesting about doing a mid cycle fenugreek cycle. I don't have any fenugreek right now, I have to order some, and I can't do that for a few days (damn banks and holiday). Any suggestions on where to get it from? (I believe I looked in the past and had a hard time finding it), and how would you go about setting it up?

Thanks for dropping in thanatopsis, I enjoyed following your log you had going! Thanks for dropping in Exnihilo, I wondered where you've been at! :D You go away on a vacation or something? Oh yeah, and you should change your avatar to the jolly green giant "I Squat for Goodness" pic! :D
 
RedSwan78,
I use Barlean's high lig flax. I buy it from a local health food store because it must be keep cold. When I get it, I cut it 2% with Vit.E acetate just to maintain freshess and get my E for the day too. The saff can be found at the grocery store in most cases, but I bet there are good online sources too. I think more people are starting to use it now, so you could probably get some good source info if you asked on the lipid thread. You can get fen from 1fast. The NOW brand. Natures Way is my main brand but they seem to be equally effective.
 
Day 30, Sun. July 3
Weight: 190.4 (+14.4)
Chest: 10mm
Abdomen: 14mm
Thigh: 15mm
Waist: 32" (+1" from start)

Today was a rest day. Continuing the Raloxifene at 120mg per day. Nothing else to report really.

Day 31, Mon July 4
Weight: 190.0 (+14.0)

Hmm, don't really know why weight is going down. *shrugs* Today my gym was only open for a few hours in the morning when I sleep, so I didn't go, but that was planned.

While at work, I TOTALLY pigged out on pizza. Talkin like 5 slices. :( Made it hard to get all of my required meals in because I felt so full and fat and bloated. :( Just got home from work early today (only a half day), so I'm going to do some cardio. So, my weight tomorrow will probably reflect this. Tomorrow I go in the gym and get a 1 rep max on Bench. :D My prediction: anywhere between 255 and 265. Just a few days before this cycle started it was 240, so we'll see. :)

Oh yeah, I should also state that starting 2 nights ago (Saturday night) I started taking an extra 1 Tbsp of Udo's Choice oil inbetween my 2nd to last, and last meal. I take the Raloxifene and chase it down with the Udo's oil. Yes, it's pure fun. :P
 
Day 32, Tues. July 5
Weight: 193.0 (+17.0)

Ok, don't put any faith in that weigh-in. Like I said, it's mostly indicative of the pizza that I had the night before. :(

Went in the gym today to get a 1 rep max on Bench Press. I am happy, but kind of not happy at the same time. Ok, I progressed, yes, but not as much as I would have like to have, or as much as I kind of thought I should have. I dunno, I just kind of thought I would have seen a larger increase because of the PH's and all. I got a 15 lb. PR on Bench. I guess I should be happy for 4 weeks of training to add 15 lbs. to my Bench, but, I don't know, I just expected more?

Bench Press 1 rep max taken a few days before cycle:
240 lbs.

Bench Press 1 rep max taken at the begining of the 5th week of cycle:
255 lbs. (+15 lbs.)

Maybe I got a little over-zealous, as I did 255 and it went up pretty smooth, so I thought, let me try 265. When loading up the bar I was like "**** it, go for 270". Tried it and it pinned me. Went down to 260 and tried that, but couldn't get that either, because of the effort that I had exerted going for 270 I assume. Whatever. If at the 9 week mark I add another 15 pounds to my bench I'll be happy I guess.

Bleh. Let's hope Squat turns out better on Friday..... but then again, I think my squat is my weakest lift. We'll see.

(I got some bad news in my personal life this past Sunday - nothing related to BB'ing - and it has me still kind of depressed. **** happens, I took a little mini-vacation from work so I have a 4 day weekend that I might turn into 6 days because Saturday is my "monday" of the work week, and my birthday is Sunday which I have scheduled off. Time to just chill out by myself)
 
15 lbs ain't so shabby if you ask me ;)

Next time just don't be conservative on your 1RM, IMHO. Personally, I'd rather guess high and have 5lbs too much than get a weight up really easy and then realized I've exerted most of my energy and then get all bumbed when I try to do more. You've got a spotter, right ;)

17lbs is great man...how much is the waist up???? (Mines already up 1-1.5" :( :rant: )
 
Well, like I said, that 17 lbs. isn't really accurate. Look at the day before, it was 190.0, then this morning was 193.0. It's from the pizza man. Extra carbs holding extra water.

Waist is up 1 inch. :rant:

I do my 1 rep max stuff in the power rack (not deads of course). I set it up so that the pins are just slightly above my de-flated chest level. That way, I get in there and only need a lift-off, I DO NOT want the spotter to TOUCH the bar at all! If I can't get the lift, I can't get it, and I WANT TO KNOW THAT. I don't want the "yeah but I barely helped at all" ****, because that means I can't get the weight on my own. :D

As for being conservative, my 1rep max calculator told me my max would be 255, so after my warmups, that's what I hit. What I SHOULD have done was gone after either 260, or 265 next, not 270 - was just too much. But the whole "hey you're ON, go for it!" thing, ya know? I wanted to hit the number I pretty much knew that I could get first, because I've tried going heavier at first, and then bombed, and because I wasted so much energy trying to get that, I couldn't get even the lighter weight. It's a lesson learned from past experience. Get the weight you're pretty confident with, and THEN move up, not "go for the higher weight and then not be able to even get the lower amount"

We'll see how squats go on Friday. From the work I've been doing lately it SHOULD be up at *least* 15 lbs. as well.
 
Day 33, Wed. July 6
Weight: 192.0 (+16.0)
Chest: 10mm
Abdomen: 14mm
Thigh: 15mm
Waist: 32"

Today I went in the gym and did a super short condensed workout of what it would normally be, because I had to push monday's workout back to tuesday and I need to be recovered by Friday. I may have fucked that up though, because I did standing calf raises today, and during my set, I felt my spine at the bottom get *really* compressed from the weight, so I stopped immediately. It's since been hurting me all night. :( Let's hope this works itself out by Friday.

Ex, thanks for the comment man. I talked to Iron Addict earlier today and he pounded it into my head that I should be DAMN happy with a 15 lb. increase. :) I'm past it, whatever, it'll go up again at the 9 week mark. :D
 
RedSwan78 said:
Day 33, Wed. July 6
Weight: 192.0 (+16.0)
Chest: 10mm
Abdomen: 14mm
Thigh: 15mm
Waist: 32"

Today I went in the gym and did a super short condensed workout of what it would normally be, because I had to push monday's workout back to tuesday and I need to be recovered by Friday. I may have fucked that up though, because I did standing calf raises today, and during my set, I felt my spine at the bottom get *really* compressed from the weight, so I stopped immediately. It's since been hurting me all night. :( Let's hope this works itself out by Friday.

Ex, thanks for the comment man. I talked to Iron Addict earlier today and he pounded it into my head that I should be DAMN happy with a 15 lb. increase. :) I'm past it, whatever, it'll go up again at the 9 week mark. :D
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Another thing re: bench.

Bench is the exercise that most people are super-consisten with and always put 100% in, so over time it is harder to make increases in bench. And, personally, I lose strength faster with it, too.

So 15lbs in a month aint so bad ;) My bench barely moved 60lbs over the past year!!!! (Although, I'm hoping to break hit 405 by the end of this cycle :D)
 
update

Just as an update, that "minor back injury" turned out to be a bit more than just "minor". I didn't do squats on Friday, and in all actuallity, that past Wednesday was the last day that I worked out up untill today (monday). The back is feeling almost 100% better, but I still took it just a little bit light today, and we'll see for Wednesday and Friday. Definately DO NOT want to re-injure myself!

I've been keeping up with the PH's, but honestly, there's been quite alot of shitty things happening in my life since my last update. I was eating kind of crappy the last few days. Also, to top it all off, my computer has been down for the last 3-4 days or so, but I've got it all back up now, completely erased and security measures re-installed and all. Things are starting to get better this week. Hopefully.

Anyways, look for me to jump back into keeping this log top-notch in the next couple of days or so. Sorry guys.
 
Well, the 12th was the last day that I was in the gym guys. The lower back injury wasn't getting any better, so I'm taking time off from the gym to let it heal up - recovery is THE MOST important thing right now. If it's not 100% by this monday (which I'm pretty sure it will NOT be) then I'm going to start some light recovery work - mostly chest and upper back exercises with a moderate weight so as not to make it a "whole body" exercise - the goal is to take the lower back out of the equation here. Weight is about 199 lbs. Remember, some of this is fat because the eating hasn't been 100% (refer to last post).
 
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