any suggestions other than donating blood to get/keep RBC down?
everything else is good...my rbc has run high for last 4 years, been on trt for around 12 years now. my dose of trt was cut in half 4 years ago due to polycythemia and now it is starting to creep up again-last bloods it was slightly above range but up from the previous bloods.Do you know why it is high? Anything else out of range?
sorry to hear that, I had hopes they would help.I tried the • DMB/Naringen/Grapefruit with no luck ??
I've been using a cpap machine for several years now...no symptoms at all-just worried my trt dose might get cut again--I've went from 200mg weekly down to 100mg weekly already.Hmmm, my general feeling would be to try drinking more water to start and get retested. You could just be dehydrated if all of the other values on the cbc are normal.
Do you have any other symptoms? Phlebotomy is the surefire way to reduce levels if you are having symptoms.
In other words - if you have no sides I wouldn't worry too much and woukdn't mess with more supplements that could make things harder to diagnose. Just keep going, increase water intake and check again.
If you are having sides, I wouldn't mess with supplements right now and would go get blood drawn.
I would also rule out sleep apnea of course, but obviously when on TRT everyone jumps to that. Not sure why it would creep back up if you had it all normalized though for a while. But you can find a works with things I don't know.
Worth a try !Naringin has been recommended by several members in my TRT group for controlling RBC/Hematocrit. Several have sworn by it.
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thanks, it looks like something to try...cheap fix if it works!!!Naringin has been recommended by several members in my TRT group for controlling RBC/Hematocrit. Several have sworn by it.
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Never even heard of that stuffNaringin has been recommended by several members in my TRT group for controlling RBC/Hematocrit. Several have sworn by it.
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flavone found in grapefruit...been using it fr awhile now to enhance absorption in supplementsNever even heard of that stuff
flavone found in grapefruit...been using it for awhile now to enhance absorption in supplementsNever even heard of that stuff
Agreed, I've used the same product (I just ran out). I can't find it in bulk powder ...flavone found in grapefruit...been using it for awhile now to enhance absorption in supplements
Piperine you mean? That's something I always look for with my tumeric curcumin supplementsAgreed, I've used the same product (I just ran out). I can't find it in bulk powder ...
You may also want to try bioperine (black pepper extract) as an absorption enhancer.
Yes. Piperine (from black pepper) can enhance the absorption or bioavailability of certain compounds. Bioperine is a branded extract of black pepper which is 95% piperine, meaning it is standardized to minimum 95% piperine.Piperine you mean? That's something I always look for with my tumeric curcumin supplements
Ya, black pepper extract, it's a ingredient I'm always happy to see included in stuffYes. Piperine (from black pepper) can enhance the absorption or bioavailability of certain compounds. Bioperine is a branded extract of black pepper which is 95% piperine, meaning it is standardized to minimum 95% piperine.
Seeing how it's actually good for your stomach and promotes gut health I highly doubt itI've read that piperine can wreak havoc on your gut lining and poke holes in it?
I think you got some bad information .....................I've read that piperine can wreak havoc on your gut lining and poke holes in it?
grapefruit juice would enhance absorption more than OJ.Regarding citrus bioflavonoids, are you guys concerned with oral bioavailability? I wonder how useful it would be to take citrus bioflavonoids, such as the ones mentioned in this thread, alongside a glass of OJ to enhance absorption? Idk.. just a thought... maybe a wrong one. I’m no expert in pharmacokinetics
Are you referencing grapefruit juice because of the CYP3A4 inhibition? While you may be correct, I was referencing absorption may, theoretically, possibly, be better if it’s consumed with other citrus bioflavonoids. I have no reason to believe this, other than a thought that the flavonoids may act synergistically with each other. Seems like flavonoids consumed individually have poor bioavailability. They might do better when consumed together with a citrus fruit juice or an orange for example. Or a grapefruit!grapefruit juice would enhance absorption more than OJ.
Seeing how it's actually good for your stomach and promotes gut health I highly doubt it
some prescription drugs specifically warn against grapefruit juice because of increasing absorption--I know for a fact if I drink a glass of grapefruit juice with a Viagra effect is much increased and I only need a quarter[25mg]of a 100mg tab to get effective results-this is great because I only get 12 100mg tabs every 3 months.Are you referencing grapefruit juice because of the CYP3A4 inhibition? While you may be correct, I was referencing absorption may, theoretically, possibly, be better if it’s consumed with other citrus bioflavonoids. I have no reason to believe this, other than a thought that the flavonoids may act synergistically with each other. Seems like flavonoids consumed individually have poor bioavailability. They might do better when consumed together with a citrus fruit juice or an orange for example. Or a grapefruit!
Idk. Just a thought.
Yep, I get what you mean now. We were just talking about absorption in two different ways/mechanisms.some prescription drugs specifically warn against grapefruit juice because of increasing absorption--I know for a fact if I drink a glass of grapefruit juice with a Viagra effect is much increased and I only need a quarter[25mg]of a 100mg tab to get effective results-this is great because I only get 12 100mg tabs every 3 months.
glad we are on same page, I might have misunderstood your post. sometimes it's hard to get the full meaning when posting on the internet.Yep, I get what you mean now. We were just talking about absorption in two different ways/mechanisms.