It could be. PH-17 use to be another companies product if I am speaking correctly on it. It's not bad @ all. I think bigger guys or more experienced users may need the higher dose listed on the bottle, but for the price someone can grab two bottles for around $80 & run a nice cycle. I'm sure people @ a lower body fat the vascularity will light up on them too. Increased libido & strength, no damage to the liver, no lethargy, what more could one want. I'm not saying either that someone can take this & gain the 8lbs of muscle LG claims on their site or lose all this fat, but you get out of it what you put into it. For me it is the motivation to keep pushing, I tell myself why take this compound if I'm not going to make sure cals are in check & work is not getting done in the gym, it would be a waste of the product, my time, & LG's time. When people are taking any supplement they have to put in the work too.