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crazyfool405 said:
Take a look at this...

I actually just sourced this for refeed days ...

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That's awesome crazyfool...

So basically and eca stack would be beneficial in this regard since it acts on the beta-3 as well as beta 1 and 2? What's the scoop on this Trecadrine? Wouldn't it make a great long-lasting fat loss product since the beta-3 receptor is more resistant to down-regulation?
 
Yes it would. I haven't seen much info on it. I can't even find out if its prescription or not!

But I sourced it along with other things so I may get that. And metformin powder

But if I find out if this is legal and not prescription. Ull see it soon I promise!
 
crazyfool405 said:
Yes it would. I haven't seen much info on it. I can't even find out if its prescription or not!

But I sourced it along with other things so I may get that. And metformin powder

But if I find out if this is legal and not prescription. Ull see it soon I promise!
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Suuuuweeeeeet!
 
So been on Epistane since Monday. Vascularity slightly up, strength is up a bit but nothing dramatic.
One side worth noting since starting Epi, is lethargy...could this be because of the lower estrogen? Some say that Epi's nutrient partitioning effect can make some users hypoglycemic.
What do you guys think?
 
Xenabuffyfan said:
I assume you mean for the estrogen conversion. Funny, when I'm on nolva or ATD i never get lethargy when my estrogen is low. Ain't that a kicker...
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Real simple for explanation, epi= drop in natural production of test so incomes lethargy, while ATD and Novla allow for natty test increase, not resulting in lethargy. Why do you think people take 4-ad while on a cycle of 1ad.
 
andrew732 said:
Real simple for explanation, epi= drop in natural production of test so incomes lethargy, while ATD and Novla allow for natty test increase, not resulting in lethargy. Why do you think people take 4-ad while on a cycle of 1ad.
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Hmmm That's interesting!

Just wondering, do compounds like Epistane or any androgen, upregulate beta-adrenergic receptors? I know that Testosterone does, but I wasn't sure if ONLY testosterone does or if it applies to all AAS. I am throwing in ECY on monday to finalize the cutting and was curious if the Epi would keep my receptors fresh.
 
crazyfool405 said:
Won't keep ur receptors fresh. Just run it till ur done cutting I've been on clen for what feels like forever. Mauybe 16 weeks
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Haha I remember u mentioned that u run it wicked long. Hey, if u keep getting results that's all that counts man. I hope that Epi's repartitioning effects at 30mg, my cardio, and lifting and the ecy on Monday for a few weeks, helps give me that FINAL dial down back to my old bf percentage (aka Avatar) lol
 
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Thought these were interesting! Found them by accident when researching beta-adrenergic receptors and subtypes
 
1 week on Epi and man, big difference between it and Hemaguno. It's hard to explain. The pumps are more pronounced and I'm already seeing results whereas with Hema, it tended to not kick in until the end of week 2.

All in all I am sold on Epistane now. In a way I'm glad hemaguno is out (no offense to the people at Spectra Force) because it forced me to step out of my habit of using hemaguno and into using Epistane, which is clearly a stronger dose from what I can see/feel.
 
Hi everyone, I'm not very familiar with anabolic supplements but I've seen results with friends and bought some recently. A friend recommended E-Stane, M-Drol and H-Drol. I have a bottle of each of those but I don't really know what a good dosage is. Anyone have any recommendations for cycle usage?
Also I'd like to know what you guys recommend for PCT. Thanks a lot.
 
holyavenger32 said:
Hi everyone, I'm not very familiar with anabolic supplements but I've seen results with friends and bought some recently. A friend recommended E-Stane, M-Drol and H-Drol. I have a bottle of each of those but I don't really know what a good dosage is. Anyone have any recommendations for cycle usage?
Also I'd like to know what you guys recommend for PCT. Thanks a lot.
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As per my recommendation, go with h-drol as a first cycle, and get yourself a SERM, for all these ds I recommend SERM's, as for pre and during cycle, use Cycle support for overall health. 2 Weeks prior to your cycle use 1 scoop of it and during cycle dose it at 2 scoops split at am and pm.
 
andrew732 said:
As per my recommendation, go with h-drol as a first cycle, and get yourself a SERM, for all these ds I recommend SERM's, as for pre and during cycle, use Cycle support for overall health. 2 Weeks prior to your cycle use 1 scoop of it and during cycle dose it at 2 scoops split at am and pm.
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My friend said that it would be good to go with E-stane first so that your circulatory system will be more ready for getting big with the H-drol and M-drol. What's your take on this?
Also, could you recommend a SERM that you prefer?
 
holyavenger32 said:
My friend said that it would be good to go with E-stane first so that your circulatory system will be more ready for getting big with the H-drol and M-drol. What's your take on this?
Also, could you recommend a SERM that you prefer?
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I also would start with h-drol but Epi is used by many as a 1st cycle.
 
Hey guys, everything on cycle is going great. For the final two weeks I've decided to stack furazadrol and 11-oxo. I'm trying to lean out my facial features and from what I've always read, cortisol is tied to facial fat deposition (If you know anything different, please let me know)
I had a question as to what dose 11-oxo REALLY delivers it's dramatic fat loss effects. Most people say you need to hit 10 caps a day in order to really notice. I'm gonna try that with my two bottles and hope that 2 weeks on that dose will deliver exactly what I need.
Thoughts? Opinions? Experiences?
 
Xenabuffyfan said:
Hey guys, everything on cycle is going great. For the final two weeks I've decided to stack furazadrol and 11-oxo. I'm trying to lean out my facial features and from what I've always read, cortisol is tied to facial fat deposition (If you know anything different, please let me know)
I had a question as to what dose 11-oxo REALLY delivers it's dramatic fat loss effects. Most people say you need to hit 10 caps a day in order to really notice. I'm gonna try that with my two bottles and hope that 2 weeks on that dose will deliver exactly what I need.
Thoughts? Opinions? Experiences?
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it will do it at about 6 caps a day!!! you dont weight enough to need that high of a dose, plus remember that androgens block some cortisol as well!

i personally LOVE VAT attack and i just got more because the bulk powder will be going bye bye on sunday
 
crazyfool405 said:
it will do it at about 6 caps a day!!! you dont weight enough to need that high of a dose, plus remember that androgens block some cortisol as well!

i personally LOVE VAT attack and i just got more because the bulk powder will be going bye bye on sunday
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So what you're saying is that Epistane and Furazadrol possess enough androgenic activity to block some cortisol too yes?

I've never tried VAT attack. Why is it going away? I know the ingredient is still in recreate but I never tried the bulk form of it.

I personally don't have any visceral fat to lose. The last bit, funny enough, is just on my face and chest. My lower body and abs are all back in fighting form. But my face has some fat around the jawline and a little under the chin, that I'm hoping a cort blocker will help.
 
crazyfool405 said:
Under the chin back of the neck and lower abs are related to cortisol (note-cushings syndrome). It may also be estrogen related
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That's what I thought. Thanks crazyfool. I think all the cutting I've been doing plus the use of ecy and what not, has just caused my cortisol levels to go higher, hence why the face is still as it is. I doubt it's estrogen but who knows. I would think seeing the compounds I'm running right now are very dry, that estrogen would be low (and it feels it). Hopefully the 2 weeks of 11-oxo will do the trick and if not, I'll figure it out I'm sure.
 
Yea well epi doesn't do **** for my e2 levels at 50mg a day it was still in the 30s and my optimal range from the work I've done and how I felt is mid 20s. Anything lower then 20 libido is shot anything higher gyno hurts and I hold insane water
 
i would buy up 2 bulk powders! it goes out on sunday

u can definetly use it in PCT

right now im sipping 2g throughout the day and taking 1 immediatly post workout!
 
Xenabuffyfan said:
Crazyfool, why is it going out on Sunday? Is the product being banned or are they just out of the ingredient?
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theyre basing another product around that specific ingredient :( so i ordered more yest :)

y dont u post up some pictures of you up here and well see if we cant help you a little more with supplementation and diet.
 
So I can tell the 11-oxo is DEFINITELY working because I have all the symptoms of low cortisol while on it....AKA, I feel like crapola LOL. I'm achey, fatigued and peeing like crazy. Haha. Yep, this product DEFINITELY kills your cortisol levels.

At least I know this is doing what it says it's supposed to. Been on it since Monday, my face looks slightly smaller but nothing dramatic yet. Hopefully a 2 week run at the high dose I have it at will do the trick. Face is all that's left :). Fingers crossed.

P.S. I don't own a camera. My avatar is from Disney last year, I used my friend's cell phone before we went out to the pool. My cell phone is a hand-me-down and takes the CRAPPIEST pictures.
I'll post a pic in a couple of weeks. The best I can offer right now is anecdotal feedback.
 
What's the scoop on 11-oxo? I just ordered another bottle (I started off finishing an old bottle) and this one has a brand-new silver label. I hope they didn't discontinue and then re-issue a watered down version (like they've sadly done with other pro-steroids in the past)
 
crazyfool405 said:
that im unsure of!!!

compare labels... the bottleing/labeling company may have changed..
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I compared. On the bodybuilding . com website, you can see what the new label looks like versus the old. It's still Ergopharm, I just wanna make sure I'm not getting a watered down clone. Always a shame when they start doing that with REALLY good compounds. They're around a while. Work awesome. Then they get discontinued and when they mysteriously come back, the effect on your strength/size/composition is nowhere NEAR as pronounced.
Here's hoping it's not the case with this. If it is, perhaps I'll check out the that new 11-test product. Still adrenosterone, but instead of 75mg per cap like 11-oxo it's 100 mg per cap
 
crazyfool405 said:
Cal them the did the same thing with alris zerostim and they even ****ed up the actual ingredoemnts on the label
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If I call them would they really be forthcoming with saying that they watered it down? Most companies don't. They just give a BS excuse. I will try to call them though.

Damn FDA. They **** everything up for us. They disappointed me with Bolt Ephedrine earlier this year. The only place I could ever get Ephedrine without the guafenesin and now it's gone. Grr. LOL.

What did they do to ALRI's ZeroStim, Crazyfool?
 
We'll the company changed the ingredients and the websites kept the old label

So just call and see if the ingredients are the same. I wouldn't worry bout the labelmake sure old label ingredients match new label ingredients in same dosing
 
crazyfool405 said:
Ephedra based product. Figured ud check it out since u were complainin lol
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oooooh. See I never looked at those, because I figured "Ephedra extract" meant it wasn't the ephedrine alkaloid.

LOL And touche. I was SO complaining. I don't mind stacking with guafenesin via vasopro or Primatene...(Whines) I just don't wanna haha.
 
I hear ya man but I think this ones legit. Because trhe methyl drene I tried and nothing so I hit up some clen 2hrs later then I did the asia black a few hours later and it was much better.
 
crazyfool405 said:
I hear ya man but I think this ones legit. Because trhe methyl drene I tried and nothing so I hit up some clen 2hrs later then I did the asia black a few hours later and it was much better.
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I just looked at the ingredients. It DOES look pretty sick.

For a cut I stack 25mg of ephedrine with 3 caps of meltdown 3x daily. Combine it with a keto diet (since yohimbine increases insulin) It's friggin amazing.
 
crazyfool405 said:
i combine with a GDA
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What GDA do you use, that is IF you don't mind my asking. I try to avoid alpha-lipoic due to the studies that it lowers thyroid output slightly. But I am fascinated by AP and P-Slin.

P.S. I've luckily never had any rebound off lean xtreme. I taper off to one cap a day and I'm usually cool.

Only rebounds I've ever suffered in the past were estrogen rebound and thyroid rebound. Taught me the valuable lessons of SERM protocol and is the reason I now stay away from Thyroid-replacement fat burners. (AKA Thyro-tabs, T2 and cytomel).

Some people bounce back from those agents easily. Me? I rebound something awful. It's caused me to just stick with thyroid "boosters" like forskolin, 7 keto or guggul.
 
i just bought some m14add and e-stane should i take seprately or bridge or stack open to all suggestions ive only done one cyle before and it was p plex
 
Xenabuffyfan said:
What GDA do you use, that is IF you don't mind my asking. I try to avoid alpha-lipoic due to the studies that it lowers thyroid output slightly. But I am fascinated by AP and P-Slin.

P.S. I've luckily never had any rebound off lean xtreme. I taper off to one cap a day and I'm usually cool.

Only rebounds I've ever suffered in the past were estrogen rebound and thyroid rebound. Taught me the valuable lessons of SERM protocol and is the reason I now stay away from Thyroid-replacement fat burners. (AKA Thyro-tabs, T2 and cytomel).

Some people bounce back from those agents easily. Me? I rebound something awful. It's caused me to just stick with thyroid "boosters" like forskolin, 7 keto or guggul.
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I didn't know about the ala and thyroid to be honest never heard about it

I use pslin bulk banaba ala glycobol chromium. I'm making one with bitter melon on custom capsule. Ginseng and when I have it I use metformin
 
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