Question about my PCT

CodeMayne

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I'm going to be running liquidrone in a month and had a question regarding my pct. I have nolva and clomid and have been talking to a few people and they think that nolva and clomid would be an overkill and I should just take nolva by itself. I disagree but want to hear what you guys think.Here is some info on liquidrone.

Liquid prohormones have an advantage over their encapsulated cousins due to their unique under-the-tongue (UTT™) delivery system - brought to you by Advanced Muscle Science.

Liquidrone UTT (Estra-4,9-diene-3, 17-dione Suspension), AMS' first liquid prohormone, contains 12.5 mg per 1 ml of Dienedrone dissolved into a unique oral delivery called a nanocarrier. The specific nanocarrier used for Liquidrone is known as a Liposome. Liposomes are such a unique delivery system because they encapsulate the active molecular compound in a way that prolongs residence in the bloodstream, enhances intracellular penetration and preserves the active molecule until it reaches its desired location in the body.

Just like similar molecules, Dienedrone has a half life. When taken in pill form, you rely on the body to break the pill down then the molecule, resulting in wasted time and causing excess stress on the liver and other organs (Liquidrone UTT avoids the first pass through the liver entirely). This often results in only 20% of the molecule being delivered in the first hour. So for you to achieve sufficient blood levels of the molecule in pill form you must take 50 mg (10 mg the first hour) 2 times a day. However Liquidrone UTT is fully dissolved in the Liposomal liquid solution, the full dose of 12.5 mg can be delivered in 1 hour (as compared to 10 mg with pills), reaching blood plasma levels sooner.

Liquidrone UTT resembles the illegal drug "trenbolone" in structure and function. The liquid oral delivery system amplifies a very potent hardening agent that delivers lean, mass gains and cannot convert to estrogen or DHT due to its low androgenic profile. Liquidrone UTT is far more anabolic than even testosterone for building muscle.

*Avoid first pass through the liver - maximizing the anabolic efficiency

*Reach desired anabolic blood plasma levels faster with five times the efficiency

* Anabolic Liposomal liquid solution spikes blood plasma levels faster and five times as efficient as standard oral capsules and tablets.

Dienedrone is the perfect anabolic to stack with 1-Androsterone, Decavol, 4-AD and Arom-X or on its own for lean bulk results.



Nutritional Information



Serving Size: 1 ml
Servings Per Container: 60

Amount Per
Serving % Daily
Value
Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione 12.5mg *

Other Ingredients: Purified Water, Propylene Glycol, Polysorbate 80, Caprylic/Capric Triglycerides, Lechithin (Phosphatidlycholine, Phosphatidylethanolamine, Phosphatidylinositol, Phosphatidlysermine, Phosphatidic Acid), Natural and Artificial Flavors, Phosphoric acid, Xanthan Gum, Guar Gum, Sodium Alginate, Sucralose, Aspartame, Potassium sorbate, Soduim Benzoate, Foam Control Agent.

Directions
As a dietary supplement, take 2 oral doses per day - under the tongue, hold for 30 seconds, then swallow. Use in divided doses 8 hours apart.
 
Just Nolva is fine, I don't see a reason to combine them. Why do you disagree?

Have you done other cycles? If so what PCTs have you used?

No this will be my first cycle, I just wasn't sure is Nolva will be strong enough or not.
 
Nolva has actually been shown to be the strongest as far as boosting testosterone in men. Sometimes seems to be individual though like all drugs and some like one SERM over the other. It's not "overkill" to stack them so if you feel this is the best way then go for it.
 
Nolva has actually been shown to be the strongest as far as boosting testosterone in men. Sometimes seems to be individual though like all drugs and some like one SERM over the other. It's not "overkill" to stack them so if you feel this is the best way then go for it.

IYO do think I would recover fine with only Nolva?
 
isn't this compound a progestin? if so i would use clomid due to nolva being able to up-regulate progestin to the receptor where as clomid does not. then again this talk is just talk on these BB boards. i am trying to find a reliable medical source to back this talk up. i will let you know when i find something
 
isn't this compound a progestin? if so i would use clomid due to nolva being able to up-regulate progestin to the receptor where as clomid does not. then again this talk is just talk on these BB boards. i am trying to find a reliable medical source to back this talk up. i will let you know when i find something

True, there seems to mixed feelings on this. I really dunno..... I know people have recovered fine with 3,4-estra using Nolva with no implications. I don't see why it would be a problem, actual progestin gyno should be rare.
You are welcome to stack them, it definitely won't hurt.
 
Nolva has actually been shown to be the strongest as far as boosting testosterone in men. Sometimes seems to be individual though like all drugs and some like one SERM over the other. It's not "overkill" to stack them so if you feel this is the best way then go for it.

mg for mg nolva is STRONGER then clomid HOWEVER clomid brings the boys back NICE

if you have both id reccommend doing clomid ED at 50mg and do an EOD dosing with nolva at 20mg

on the off days of nolva run an AI
 
I agree Clomid seems to bring things back better. Why would he do Nolva every other day and an AI EOD? I don't see the reasoning there...... Either SERM alone will be fine. No AI truly needed

QUOTE=crazyfool405;2110206]mg for mg nolva is STRONGER then clomid HOWEVER clomid brings the boys back NICE

if you have both id reccommend doing clomid ED at 50mg and do an EOD dosing with nolva at 20mg

on the off days of nolva run an AI[/QUOTE]
 
I agree Clomid seems to bring things back better. Why would he do Nolva every other day and an AI EOD? I don't see the reasoning there...... Either SERM alone will be fine. No AI truly needed

QUOTE=crazyfool405;2110206]mg for mg nolva is STRONGER then clomid HOWEVER clomid brings the boys back NICE

if you have both id reccommend doing clomid ED at 50mg and do an EOD dosing with nolva at 20mg

on the off days of nolva run an AI
[/QUOTE]

AI isnt needed but helps recovery a tad. i use ADEX because availability is easier then aromasin.

ADEX and nolva kinda clash and Clomids agonist effect on the ER can cause some emotional issues and what not so i use ADEX with clomid.

i agree too that either is fine!!! 2 is not needed.
 
isn't this compound a progestin? if so i would use clomid due to nolva being able to up-regulate progestin to the receptor where as clomid does not. then again this talk is just talk on these BB boards. i am trying to find a reliable medical source to back this talk up. i will let you know when i find something

search the prolactin progesterone thread by seth roberts SOOO MUCH insanely priceless information on there.
 
search the prolactin progesterone thread by seth roberts SOOO MUCH insanely priceless information on there.

Ya exactly that was where my answer was from basically. I own his book and need to read it all again to make it stick, but his progestin/progesterone gyno info is very thought provoking.
 
Ya exactly that was where my answer was from basically. I own his book and need to read it all again to make it stick, but his progestin/progesterone gyno info is very thought provoking.

i went crazy in that book and bodyopus highlighting jotting down notes, arrows ect

lol
 
i went crazy in that book and bodyopus highlighting jotting down notes, arrows ect

lol

lol Ya as far as science laid out perfectly his takes the cake. It also has a very dry look to it which helped when I accidently left it out on my table on 3 separate occasions and people just thought it was a text book ha
 
lol Ya as far as science laid out perfectly his takes the cake. It also has a very dry look to it which helped when I accidently left it out on my table on 3 separate occasions and people just thought it was a text book ha

yea i leave it out all over the house idc.

my parents are always like whats anabolics 2009 what anabolic pharmacology. the GF finally agreed to let me use if i tell her when im going on and off ect..

my mom actually just told me no more hormone panels bc the insurance slammed me with like 3-4 bills at once of like 170 bucks haha
 
yea i leave it out all over the house idc.

my parents are always like whats anabolics 2009 what anabolic pharmacology. the GF finally agreed to let me use if i tell her when im going on and off ect..

my mom actually just told me no more hormone panels bc the insurance slammed me with like 3-4 bills at once of like 170 bucks haha

LOL nice..... Ya I just had some lady friends over and they were not even phased. They thought it was normal for me....not sure what that implies (I think it was more of me being a nerd than what the book was) ha.

170 is actually a bomb price for 3-4 panels :D
 
no it was 170 per panel

mom buggged out haha

they didnt send the bills right away so i didnt know insurance didnt cover it, and i got slammed all at once
 
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