Q and A for Olympus labs DermaTREST

contact13 said:
I'm about to move into my 5th week of an 8 week :
Dermatrest 75mg
Hdrol. 75mg
4 Andro 330mg
Epi Andro 500mg

I have added in the DermaTrest 2 weeks ago and will be starting week 3. I am beginning to see slight back acne and a little water retention. Should I start Exemestane 12.5 mg every 3-4 days now or wait and see. I'm also running Ar1macare 8 caps a day and Tudica.
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To stay on the safe side, I'd run 12.5mg Exemestane EOD. But I'm a cautious man.
 
It seems like I saw Hastur or one of the reps mention that they would be using both Sup3r4 and trest in a cycle. What would be the purpose of that?
 
Bult said:
It seems like I saw Hastur or one of the reps mention that they would be using both Sup3r4 and trest in a cycle. What would be the purpose of that?
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It was myself! And I plan on doing a log sometime this week of it, actually. The point is SUP3R-4 supplies Testosterone and can convert to DHT and Estrogen, all 3 of these are important to various physiological processes. And Tr3st supplies Trestolone, a 19-nor derived hormone, which has a totally different set of pros and cons. It cannot provide DHT, and though it can aromatize it actually becomes a more potent form of Estrogen that can lead to various side effects if not properly managed. So while you will see Trestolone being used as a Test base, and it can be, it does not fulfill all the biological needs that Testosterone does. Thus, using the two together is synergistic, not redundant.
 
I'm using both right now along with Epiandro and Hdrol. I'm getting similar results to injectable AAS cycles I've run years ago. The only sides I'm experiencing are ridiculous back and ankle pumps.

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contact13 said:
I'm using both right now along with Epiandro and Hdrol. I'm getting similar results to injectable AAS cycles I've run years ago. The only sides I'm experiencing are ridiculous back and ankle pumps.

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That's a bold statement, my friend. I hope my cycle is as effective as an injectable AAS cycle!
 
contact13 said:
I'm using both right now along with Epiandro and Hdrol. I'm getting similar results to injectable AAS cycles I've run years ago. The only sides I'm experiencing are ridiculous back and ankle pumps.
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Have you tried the higher taurine dose as Hastur suggested man? That usually does the trick.
 
I started 5.5 weeks ago at 163 lbs . I'm now at 180 lbs with considerably less body fat. I've been eating clean but at a major k surplus. Still getting in several cheat meals as well. Recovery time is zero. I feel totally dead after a workout at night and 100% ready to go the next day.

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I put on almost 20 pounds last spring when I did Epistane, dermatrest and tr3n. Dermatrest is a pretty amazing compound but costly, which is why I am trying to maximize my upcoming cycle.
 
contact13 said:
I'm using both right now along with Epiandro and Hdrol. I'm getting similar results to injectable AAS cycles I've run years ago. The only sides I'm experiencing are ridiculous back and ankle pumps.

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The 'pumps' on Trest and Pmag were fierce. Driving in the car was very uncomfortable for my lower back, every time. I also got crazy jaw and temple pumps whenever I had a meal that involved chewing. My temples were jacked after eating 1/2 of an XL pizza!
 
^^ Interesting. Do you think it was the Pmag? Being a 19 Nor I wouldn't think Trest would cause those sides. Deca always made my muscles feel full and hydrated.

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contact13 said:
^^ Interesting. Do you think it was the Pmag? Being a 19 Nor I wouldn't think Trest would cause those sides. Deca always made my muscles feel full and hydrated.

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I'm sure Pmag played a part in the equation but I think Trest was the driving force. My Pmag dose was also moderate at only 75mg ED. I had some moderate back pumps on LGD, which I used right before bridging into Trest/Pmag, but noticed by the end of the 1st week on Trest, the pumps had increased quite a bit. I've also stacked 100mg of Halo and 75-90mg of Diabolix in a past cycle and those back pumps were tame compared to The trest/Pmag combo. Lots of water, Taurine (5-10g ED) and some extra potassium tablets were no match. :]
 
contact13 said:
I'm using both right now along with Epiandro and Hdrol. I'm getting similar results to injectable AAS cycles I've run years ago. The only sides I'm experiencing are ridiculous back and ankle pumps.

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Hastur said:
That's a bold statement, my friend. I hope my cycle is as effective as an injectable AAS cycle!
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I think that first 8 weeks on a good methyl cycle is quite often more effective than injectable. It doesn't feel as nice, but the gains are often much faster. The steroids are often stronger, however once you get some nice saturation from the injections the gains just get buck and tend to stick around much longer. Now an injection based cycle with an oral kicker... fuggetaboudit!!!!
 
I should put in a few points a context for my bold statement. My diet, training and overall lifestyle are infinitely better than they were in my early 20's. This I'm sure has a lot to do with my results thus far. I'm up about 20 lbs with 2.5 weeks to go. I have had significant body fat reduction as well. True story will be told post pct however.
 
contact13 said:
I did. I tried 3g am with a shake and was very tired all day. I've upped my h20. These compounds from OL are no joke.

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I did 5g of taurine, ate a boatload of bananas and drank prob 3-4 litres of water daily and still got those damn backpumps. Strange thing though, never got them with hdrol. But msten and dmz, and my calves and back were killing me. Even on that amount of water, bananas and taurine. Still worth it though. Love msten
 
I'm up to 4g twice a day, bananas, 1.5g h2o and still in agony. Resistance is futile. I get shin and ankle pumps standing at my sink peeling eggs in the am. I'm pretty sure at this point it is the Trest or a combination of Trest and Hdrol. I never experienced this with Hdrol solo.
 
The pump I've been getting from Epi and Trest has been quite insane. My shoulders HURT after presses from the pump, LOL.
 
I couldn't even swing a golf club today because of it. I love the results but it is pretty much impossible to do anything except lift heavy weights, eat and have sex on this stuff.
 
contact13 said:
I couldn't even swing a golf club today because of it. I love the results but it is pretty much impossible to do anything except lift heavy weights, eat and have sex on this stuff.
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Haha! That's pretty accurate. My forearms and shins are pumped all day, it seems.
 
So cool to hear this feedback. Dtrest works like clockwork for me...within 3-4 days of first app I just wake up one morning and my chest is full as hell, lol its great
 
So I dropped the Dermatrest 3 days ago because the muscle cramping became to much. I already see a major improvement. I'm still have 9 more days of an 8 week run left of Hdrol @ 75 mg 4 Andro @ 330mg and Epiandro @ 500mg. I am beginning to have slightly high BP sides and general heightened anxiety which usually happens to me at the end of a run. I have an irrational fear of having a heart attack. Would it be worthwhile to drop the Hdrol and end the run with just the Andros or should I start my PCT tomorrow?
 
contact13 said:
So I dropped the Dermatrest 3 days ago because the muscle cramping became to much. I already see a major improvement. I'm still have 9 more days of an 8 week run left of Hdrol @ 75 mg 4 Andro @ 330mg and Epiandro @ 500mg. I am beginning to have slightly high BP sides and general heightened anxiety which usually happens to me at the end of a run. I have an irrational fear of having a heart attack. Would it be worthwhile to drop the Hdrol and end the run with just the Andros or should I start my PCT tomorrow?
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What have you done to counter the BP sides? How much water are you drinking a day? What is your BP right now?
 
Starting this towards the end of this month. This is my third cycle including trest and 8th or 9th cycle over all. Just in the initial draft phase I was thinking of something like this. The cycle will total 60 to 65 days. Already have all support supps, AI and SERM ready, I'll probably log this so anything related to that I'll hash out once I have the anabolics worked out. I also have sup3r 11 and Dimethadrol as well as triumph(ph) and another bottle of Dymethazi9e.
Dermatrest 25/50/50/50/50/50/50/50/50 9 weeks
Tr3st 25/25/50/50/50/50/50/50/50 9 weeks
Sup3r1 330/330/330/330/330/330 First 6 weeks
Sup3r4 330/330/330/330/330/330 Last 6weeks
Sup3r Epi 750/750/750/750/750/750 6 weeks
Dymethazi9e 40/60/60/60/60 Last 6 weeks
 
MrKleen73 said:
What have you done to counter the BP sides? How much water are you drinking a day? What is your BP right now?
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I use Ar1macare Pro, low carb, low sodium, high potassium diet, and I have Telmisartan on hand just in case for every cycle.

Bult said:
Starting this towards the end of this month. This is my third cycle including trest and 8th or 9th cycle over all. Just in the initial draft phase I was thinking of something like this. The cycle will total 60 to 65 days. Already have all support supps, AI and SERM ready, I'll probably log this so anything related to that I'll hash out once I have the anabolics worked out. I also have sup3r 11 and Dimethadrol as well as triumph(ph) and another bottle of Dymethazi9e.
Dermatrest 25/50/50/50/50/50/50/50/50 9 weeks
Tr3st 25/25/50/50/50/50/50/50/50 9 weeks
Sup3r1 330/330/330/330/330/330 First 6 weeks
Sup3r4 330/330/330/330/330/330 Last 6weeks
Sup3r Epi 750/750/750/750/750/750 6 weeks
Dymethazi9e 40/60/60/60/60 Last 6 weeks
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My man! I've running almost the exact same cycle! Just swap out Dymethazi9e for SUP3R-11 and run it all at 8 weeks, and thats my current cycle! And I'm loving it, bro! Definitely log it when you run it!
 
I'm rocking 100MG for 8 weeks, first 4 was straight oral Tr3st, now I'm going 50MG oral PW and 25MG 2x DT. I stacked DMZ for the first 4 weeks and put on a monsterous 24 pounds of muscle with no fat. I'm running Sup3r 4 elite in place of DMZ now and it's starting to set in after a week. My support is on point with 3g taurine, CoQ10, CEL Cycle Assist, fish oil, and Glucosamine. No sides for me whatsoever, i didn't need AI although i have Arimidex on hand, and Nolva for PCT. Should I run Osta for 10MG post?
 
GetBig087 said:
I'm rocking 100MG for 8 weeks, first 4 was straight oral Tr3st, now I'm going 50MG oral PW and 25MG 2x DT. I stacked DMZ for the first 4 weeks and put on a monsterous 24 pounds of muscle with no fat. I'm running Sup3r 4 elite in place of DMZ now and it's starting to set in after a week. My support is on point with 3g taurine, CoQ10, CEL Cycle Assist, fish oil, and Glucosamine. No sides for me whatsoever, i didn't need AI although i have Arimidex on hand, and Nolva for PCT. Should I run Osta for 10MG post?
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24 lean lbs is amazing. Trest and Sup3r 4 will lead to a lot of excess estrogen circulating. Have you AI ready. I would be using it every 2-3 days already at low dose. Also, Osta is suppressive so it is not a wise PCT option.
 
GetBig087 said:
I'm rocking 100MG for 8 weeks, first 4 was straight oral Tr3st, now I'm going 50MG oral PW and 25MG 2x DT. I stacked DMZ for the first 4 weeks and put on a monsterous 24 pounds of muscle with no fat. I'm running Sup3r 4 elite in place of DMZ now and it's starting to set in after a week. My support is on point with 3g taurine, CoQ10, CEL Cycle Assist, fish oil, and Glucosamine. No sides for me whatsoever, i didn't need AI although i have Arimidex on hand, and Nolva for PCT. Should I run Osta for 10MG post?
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How do you know that's all muscle? 24lbs gained on cycle is impressive regardless but I gotta say from experience that that's probably not all lean muscle. Keep in mind steroids boost the crap out of glycogen retention, which keep your muscles full and heavier than normal.
 
Jebrook said:
24 lean lbs is amazing. Trest and Sup3r 4 will lead to a lot of excess estrogen circulating. Have you AI ready. I would be using it every 2-3 days already at low dose. Also, Osta is suppressive so it is not a wise PCT option.
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Thanks for the advice, I will save it the ostarine a later date. It's been a good run, the onset was definitely glycogen retention. I have been running relatively low carbs, around 200 a day. I started my AI just to be safe, 12.5MG of Arimidex. I say it's lean gains because I dropped 2% body fat, granted it isn't going to be 100% pure muscle. I'm hoping to put on another 10 in this next 4 weeks. OL definitely has quality products.
 
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