Q and A for Olympus labs DermaTREST

T-Bone said:
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Yes, damn good flick. For some reason I never caught the song or didn't remember it. Fixed now. Already downloaded.
 
chuck box said:
Whats your all opinion on running oral trest 100mg daily pre contest? w/AI obviously!
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Like NAM said, I'd consider running a combo of the TD with the oral PWO for acute workout benefits. Have you used Trest before? The Methylestrogen sides could make for a sketchy compound to use directly before a contest I would think. Unless you're not referring to a bodybuilding contest? Epistane/Trest would be a great combo for big mass plus dry and hard looking muscles. Really need more info to advise properly.
 
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Jebrook said:
Like NAM said, I'd consider running a combo of the TD with the oral PWO for acute workout benefits. Have you used Trest before? The Methylestrogen sides could make for a sketchy compound to use directly before a contest I would think. Unless you're not referring to a bodybuilding contest? Epistane/Trest would be a great combo for big mass plus dry and hard looking muscles. Really need more info to advise properly.
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I've used the original PHF ment before, no estrogen sides as im not very prone. Currently 10ish weeks out right now and just running R-Andro but looking for something to bridge into. Was thinking oral trest stacked with 1 andro
 
chuck box said:
I've used the original PHF ment before, no estrogen sides as im not very prone. Currently 10ish weeks out right now and just running R-Andro but looking for something to bridge into. Was thinking oral trest stacked with 1 andro
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That could be good if you don't want to hassle with a methyl. I think I'd consider stacking the Sup3r Epi with the Trest since you're in contest prep. Might be better for the look you're trying to achieve. Drier, more vascularity, and harder. Or all 3 if you wanted. Tough to say without knowing you're exact situation, plus I've never ran a contest prep.
 
chuck box said:
I've used the original PHF ment before, no estrogen sides as im not very prone. Currently 10ish weeks out right now and just running R-Andro but looking for something to bridge into. Was thinking oral trest stacked with 1 andro
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Mentabolan was a whole a lot different than DermaTrest. Stuff was amazing pre-workout. Well, not a whole lot different, but different..If that even makes sense.
 
I just started running:
4 andro@330mg x 8 weeks
1 Andro@330mg x 8 weeks
Epi andro@500mg x 8 weeks
Weeks 2-8 Max LMG @50mg

Could I add in Dermatrest? Or would this be overkill? If so, is OL Ar1macare and epi andro strong enough AI to combat estro conversion?
 
contact13 said:
I just started running:
4 andro@330mg x 8 weeks
1 Andro@330mg x 8 weeks
Epi andro@500mg x 8 weeks
Weeks 2-8 Max LMG @50mg

Could I add in Dermatrest? Or would this be overkill? If so, is OL Ar1macare and epi andro strong enough AI to combat estro conversion?
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Yes, it would probably be too much and no ACP and Epiandro could not be relied upon to combat the Methylestrogen sides of Trest. 4 andro aromatize said to some degree. Max LMG also has the ability to aromatize and produce progestenic sides as well. IMO, Trest is a no go in this stack.
 
contact13 said:
Would the oral version have enough acute effect to use as a periodic pre workout for added aggression?
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Short answer= Yes. But why use 5 compounds in one cycle. They're all great in their own respects, but it is overkill IMO. A solid PWO should provide enough focus, energy, and motivation to kill it in the gym. Why waste Trest? Save it for a major bulk cycle. You can use the Epiandro PWO for aggression and that alpha feeling. I have no context for your experience so I'm just advising caution and thinking of your wallet. Lol. Feel free to elaborate on your stats, experience, and goals with this cycle for the best recommendations.
 
Jebrook said:
Short answer= Yes. But why use 5 compounds in one cycle. They're all great in their own respects, but it is overkill IMO. A solid PWO should provide enough focus, energy, and motivation to kill it in the gym. Why waste Trest? Save it for a major bulk cycle. You can use the Epiandro PWO for aggression and alga feeling. I have no context for your experience so I'm just advising caution and thinking of your wallet. Lol. Feel free to elaborate on your stats, experience, and goals with this cycle for the best recommendations.
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My apologies, I should have put that question in the proper context. I was not planning on adding Trest to my current cycle. I was just asking a general question about its acute effects on aggression / libido. Thanks for the advice!
 
contact13 said:
My apologies, I should have put that question in the proper context. I was not planning on adding Trest to my current cycle. I was just asking a general question about its acute effects on aggression / libido. Thanks for the advice!
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No worries bruh. Yes, oral Trest would be felt very acutely. More than likely on the first PWO dose for aggression. The libido affects very quickly as well. Although not everyone notices huge libido boost, but most do.
 
Jebrook said:
No worries bruh. Yes, oral Trest would be felt very acutely. More than likely on the first PWO dose for aggression. The libido affects very quickly as well. Although not everyone notices huge libido boost, but most do.
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What dosage would be effective for this do you think?
 
contact13 said:
I just started running:
4 andro@330mg x 8 weeks
1 Andro@330mg x 8 weeks
Epi andro@500mg x 8 weeks
Weeks 2-8 Max LMG @50mg

Could I add in Dermatrest? Or would this be overkill? If so, is OL Ar1macare and epi andro strong enough AI to combat estro conversion?
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No, but you could get rid of all the products and just run DermaTrest and get better results. However if you are new to AAS, you might want to wait a few years before trying DermaTrest. Andros are a joke...However they are good for newbs to anabolics. So if you are new stick with what you are running. I know nothing of Max LMG though...
 
No, don't add oral trest to that cycle for pre-workout only....You've got enough in that cycle already. Oral trest will raise bp even more and I'm betting it's high already. Plus if you are using a pre-workout already. Definitely don't add trest.

Like Jebrook asked you, what is your experience with AAS?. Height/Weight?. Age?
 
5'9"
173
13% BF

I am looking to put on size by eating clean but at a calorie surplus. I don't put fat on easy so that is not really a concern.
Between AAS and PH have about 15-20 cycles under my belt going back to the late 90's. I am by no way a noobie. I have been away from the supplement scene for a couple years and now everything I have experience with is banned. I have a family now and going the illicit route is out. The Andros from OL UK seemed to have some good reviews here.
 
contact13 said:
5'9"
173
13% BF

I am looking to put on size by eating clean but at a calorie surplus. I don't put fat on easy so that is not really a concern.
Between AAS and PH have about 15-20 cycles under my belt going back to the late 90's. I am by no way a noobie. I have been away from the supplement scene for a couple years and now everything I have experience with is banned. I have a family now and going the illicit route is out. The Andros from OL UK seemed to have some good reviews here.
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Ok good stuff. Just don't be adding Trest oral or otherwise to the stack you are running now. What you have already should be more than enough. Adding in Trest will just increase your sides and especially raise your bp.
 
T-Bone said:
Ok good stuff. Just don't be adding Trest oral or otherwise to the stack you are running now. What you have already should be more than enough. Adding in Trest will just increase your sides and especially raise your bp.
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Would there be any issues with discontinuing the 4 andro @330mg per day after the 4th week and using derma Trest for last 4-5 weeks. I am 2 weeks in now and am starting Hdrol @ 75 mg per day for 6 weeks. I am feeling nothing from the 4 Andro as of yet. I am also running Epi Andro @ 500mg per day. I heard they take awhile to kick but it is concerning. I don't want to waste the time on cycle because I am only going to run 1 this year.
 
Anything you get from the Andros is going to be pretty mild. I ran the Sup3r epi for 6 weeks up to 1g and saw definite leaning and hardness but these should really be separate cycle designs. Recovery from the andros will be really fast, my test was back to normal in a few weeks after the epi, no reason not to run another cycle later in the year if you keep this one mild. Hdrol will change those factors of course. I have run dermatr3st and Epistane and oral tr3st with Dymethazi9e and you will certainly not recover from that type of cycle quickly. And you'll feel pretty low for a while after potentially.
 
contact13 said:
Would there be any issues with discontinuing the 4 andro @330mg per day after the 4th week and using derma Trest for last 4-5 weeks. I am 2 weeks in now and am starting Hdrol @ 75 mg per day for 6 weeks. I am feeling nothing from the 4 Andro as of yet. I am also running Epi Andro @ 500mg per day. I heard they take awhile to kick but it is concerning. I don't want to waste the time on cycle because I am only going to run 1 this year.
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No but there also wouldn't be any issue with staying on it and adding the other stuff in. The 4 Andro and EPI are not hepatoxic, no need to stop them if you are looking for one really good cycle this year then just add the new stuff in. Health wise other than a possible increase in BP and lipids, the 4 Andro and EPI are not going to be a concern, and will only add anabolism to your cycle. I would make sure you have a SERM for your PCT, and get it from a proven reputable research company or even better pharma quality. That way you recover nicely and keep most of your gains. Once you add in the trest and the halo you will be shut down regardless, and removing the EPI and 4 Andro won't change that.
 
MrKleen73 said:
No but there also wouldn't be any issue with staying on it and adding the other stuff in. The 4 Andro and EPI are not hepatoxic, no need to stop them if you are looking for one really good cycle this year then just add the new stuff in. Health wise other than a possible increase in BP and lipids, the 4 Andro and EPI are not going to be a concern, and will only add anabolism to your cycle. I would make sure you have a SERM for your PCT, and get it from a proven reputable research company or even better pharma quality. That way you recover nicely and keep most of your gains. Once you add in the trest and the halo you will be shut down regardless, and removing the EPI and 4 Andro won't change that.
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Thanks for the info. I already have pharma clomid on hand. I will run 50/50/25/25. Along with Sup3r PCT and Sustain Alfa. I will probably taper an AI also. I was warned not to run Trest on top of the Andros and Hdrol. I definitely don't want to hard of a recovery. How hard would 50mg of Trest shut me down past what the Andros and Hdrol would already? Would 12.5mg Exemestane every 2 days work for the Trest?
 
The andros will basically suppress you, and even shut you down all on their own. Adding in halo at the current doses planned is DEFINITELY going to shut you down. Otherwise you are only running one 19Nor product and it is honestly not that hard to recover from it. We are not talking HUGE difference in how you are going to recover from one compound over the other. I think at 50mg of trest a day on top of what you have planned you will see more benefits than sides, and your recovery is not likely going to be any harder unless you already have some problems with your HPTA that you aren't aware of.
 
MrKleen73 said:
The andros will basically suppress you, and even shut you down all on their own. Adding in halo at the current doses planned is DEFINITELY going to shut you down. Otherwise you are only running one 19Nor product and it is honestly not that hard to recover from it. We are not talking HUGE difference in how you are going to recover from one compound over the other. I think at 50mg of trest a day on top of what you have planned you will see more benefits than sides, and your recovery is not likely going to be any harder unless you already have some problems with your HPTA that you aren't aware of.
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Great info. Thanks.

I have enough Exemestane for 5 weeks plus PCT. I have found it to be extremely potent. Would 12.5 mg EOD or every 2 days be sufficient for 50mg Trest. Or should I wait and see if the Ar1macare will take care of E sides before I start dosing?
 
contact13 said:
Great info. Thanks.

I have enough Exemestane for 5 weeks plus PCT. I have found it to be extremely potent. Would 12.5 mg EOD or every 2 days be sufficient for 50mg Trest. Or should I wait and see if the Ar1macare will take care of E sides before I start dosing?
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I would start with the Ar1micare and see how that goes. You may find you don't need the Exem unless you are gyno prone. Even then you may find 12.5mg every 3rd day might be plenty. Everyone responds differently but crushing estro straight out of the gate should never be the goal.
 
After applying Dermatrest I can't seem to get the smell off my hand no matter how much I wash. Does this mean I'm still capable of transferring it to someone else?
 
contact13 said:
After applying Dermatrest I can't seem to get the smell off my hand no matter how much I wash. Does this mean I'm still capable of transferring it to someone else?
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If you wash your hands thoroughly with soap and water, I can't see there being a problem. If you want to be completely safe, wear latex gloves to spread the product and then dispose of the gloves.
 
I think I am going to run a cycle of this mixed with oral tr3st. 50 mg of each per should last 60 days. I also have enough dimethadrol, dymethazine, or triumph to run for 6 weeks with it. Which of those three would be best to run with trest, and would it be best to run at the beginning of the 8 week cycle or at the end?
 
Bult said:
I think I am going to run a cycle of this mixed with oral tr3st. 50 mg of each per should last 60 days. I also have enough dimethadrol, dymethazine, or triumph to run for 6 weeks with it. Which of those three would be best to run with trest, and would it be best to run at the beginning of the 8 week cycle or at the end?
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It depends on your goals, but considering the compounds you listed, I'm assuming you're bulking. If it were myself, I'd stack Dymethazine with Trest, which would be fantastic for bulking. Though 6 weeks can be pushing it with Dymethazine, I'd shoot for 6 weeks, but be prepared to come off at 4 weeks if you start to encounter major side effects. Start with Trest, then add the Dymethazine in. And of course, have TUDCA and Exemestane included in your cycle for Liver Support on Dymethazine and Estrogen Control on Trest.
 
Hastur said:
It depends on your goals, but considering the compounds you listed, I'm assuming you're bulking. If it were myself, I'd stack Dymethazine with Trest, which would be fantastic for bulking. Though 6 weeks can be pushing it with Dymethazine, I'd shoot for 6 weeks, but be prepared to come off at 4 weeks if you start to encounter major side effects. Start with Trest, then add the Dymethazine in. And of course, have TUDCA and Exemestane included in your cycle for Liver Support on Dymethazine and Estrogen Control on Trest.
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I have ran trest with dymethazine before, even though I am trying to bulk that combo left a bit of a soft look. I ran dermatrest with epistane and really loved that, I just don't have any more epistane. I am leaning towards the dimethadrol. I have read it has similar hardening, strength gain, and leaning effects to epistane. It is the only compound I listed that I have not ran yet.
 
Also would running Sup3r Epi be beneficial at all to make up for trests lack of DHT conversion? Or would it even been noticeable combined with two far stronger agents.
 
Hastur said:
It depends on your goals, but considering the compounds you listed, I'm assuming you're bulking. If it were myself, I'd stack Dymethazine with Trest, which would be fantastic for bulking. Though 6 weeks can be pushing it with Dymethazine, I'd shoot for 6 weeks, but be prepared to come off at 4 weeks if you start to encounter major side effects. Start with Trest, then add the Dymethazine in. And of course, have TUDCA and Exemestane included in your cycle for Liver Support on Dymethazine and Estrogen Control on Trest.
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^^^x2 on this. Any of those would be sweet but DMZ would be best for a bulk.
 
Bult said:
I have ran trest with dymethazine before, even though I am trying to bulk that combo left a bit of a soft look. I ran dermatrest with epistane and really loved that, I just don't have any more epistane. I am leaning towards the dimethadrol. I have read it has similar hardening, strength gain, and leaning effects to epistane. It is the only compound I listed that I have not ran yet.
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Bult said:
Also would running Sup3r Epi be beneficial at all to make up for trests lack of DHT conversion? Or would it even been noticeable combined with two far stronger agents.
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That soft look was likely due to higher water retention from the Trest, which you can control with higher AI usage. But Dimethadrol would be an excellent choice as well, especially since you seem to be leaning towards it by your statements, and you have to run the cycle that make YOU happy! Sup3r-Epi would give you a hardening effect, and lower water retention a bit, but it won't overpower Trest's ability to make you look soft if your AI use isn't sufficient. Remember, Dymethazine and Dimethandrostenol are both DHT-derived compounds, where as Epiandrosterone converts to actual DHT. So there is going to be similarity in certain effects.

Jebrook said:
^^^x2 on this. Any of those would be sweet but DMZ would be best for a bulk.
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Agreed! I think DMZ is one of the best bulking compounds out there!
 
I'm about to move into my 5th week of an 8 week :
Dermatrest 75mg
Hdrol. 75mg
4 Andro 330mg
Epi Andro 500mg

I have added in the DermaTrest 2 weeks ago and will be starting week 3. I am beginning to see slight back acne and a little water retention. Should I start Exemestane 12.5 mg every 3-4 days now or wait and see. I'm also running Ar1macare 8 caps a day and Tudica.
 
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