Q & A FOR OR1GIN
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BlackTiger22
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took a nap the other day but it was sunday
vascopro
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For me the sleep benefits are not quite as noticeable as with MK. With MK I would literally be wide awake usually before my alarm. If I was awoken after only 4 hours or so, I always had trouble going back to sleep because I was ready to go. Granted, I was on night shift and switching my sleep schedule back and forth often.
With Orig1n, if I take it too close to bed sometimes I have had difficulty winding down once my head hits the pillow. I'm a month in now and that aspect isn't as bad now. I would say it makes me feel as rested after 6 hours of sleep as 7-8 hours usually does. I don't wake up mid-sleep often anymore. Recovery is outstanding, as is muscle fullness and pumps. No tingly hands or lethargy like I had on MK sometimes. No bloating. Great digestion. Enhanced hunger but not to the point of overeating terribly. I like it so far and can't wait to see what the next 5 months bring.
Just started a week ago and I can feel a huge difference in sleep already!!
Normally I take ZMA + Melatonin 3-6mg to help fall asleep and stay more relaxed during the nigh.
Now I only have ZMA and tonight was my first night for a long long time I slept 8h straight without bathroom, turning around... Nothing!!
I was going to buy more Melatonin, but with Orig1n I'm not going anymore...
The effects that it has on my sleep are amazing!!
I hope this better sleep I have will transform in gains in the future... I will be more rested and recovery will be better for sure!!
With only 1 week I can feel that my digestion is better too.
I'm on maintenance calories, and some days you eat more then others... And last saturday I had a dinner at a freinds house and I ate much more than I should and I didn't feel as bloated as I normally do... like abs all out and distended... It seems I ate less and my belly was full but not out...
To the anabolic part for now I haven't felt anything.
10 days agor I had gastroenterite for something I ate and I lost about 4 pounds and almost didn't eat anything for 3 days...
Still recovering and my strenght is still down.
xtyler
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Back to basics...growth = sleep and eat!
crowbar46
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I have to say, I think some people are making questionable associations between Origin and strength issues, etc.
Other than improved sleep and digestion, I would think the other effects of Origin would be chronic In nature, not acute. There is simply no reason there would be any negative effect on strength or endurance based on the ingredient profile.
Crowbar
Other than improved sleep and digestion, I would think the other effects of Origin would be chronic In nature, not acute. There is simply no reason there would be any negative effect on strength or endurance based on the ingredient profile.
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Danes
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If someone feel strengt decrease of Or1gin then they should see at some of those points:
-sleep
-Rest/recovery
-food/calories
-workout (worked out to hard for a longer period etc).
-stress
The list is endless, but one of typical is recovery/sleep.
I am a person who have low sleep quality and it vary damn much. When I have slept well, my strength increase is actually "acute". But those days I had bad sleep, weights feels heavier and I am not so strong like those days I sleep "great"
unitas27
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So true Danes. Poor sleep has a negative trickle-down effect on energy, metabolism, anabolism...not to mention the immune system consequences.
Or1gin has had a positive effect on my sleep, i'm out cold for a good 6-7 hours whereas before i would wake up, go to the bathroom and struggle to fall back asleep. Next week the real fun starts: Or1gin, TITAN, MK-677, M-Test, and BMP for the ultimate natty stack.
ma70
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Yeah, really failing to see how strength is dropping. I wonder if people bother periodizing their training, or just monitoring the basics. Oh well, when I jump on this stuff, hopefully I can provide a clearer picture. I've been on the same "program" for a long time now (1.5 years or so) that is based on the RPE system (I find this is better for autoregulation) and I'm relatively boring when it comes to food and macros (except very few times).
Danes
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I have been on Or1gin 7 days and cant say my sleep has improved. But I cant expect to get super sleep from a supplement (dont get me wrong). I mean even prescripted sleep medicines may not be any help for some sleep issues.
My digestion and Appetite is up and that is great! Better digestion and more food = gains
Good luck with your sexy stack
NoAddedHmones
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Entering charity marcos territory and down 4.5kg, yet hitting PB's on the big three. Go figure.
raul87
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So after one month on origin one thing I noticed on Monday is that I looked better I had a good pump, chest looked fuller, biceps are coming in nicely, finally getting a biti of definition between my shoulder and biceps, and my legs have a better feel to them especially my hamstrings. So as for body composition after one month I have noticed a big difference and still have another month to go. If I keep seeing improvements I will order another bottle and try a 3 month run.
As for the strength decrease I have reported I have troubleshooted and well idk what it is origin is the only thing I've changed I have deloated properly and had good meals. I love OL products have nothing but good things to say about them but I am just giving honest feedback. I do feel my strength coming back slowly so we will see in these next few weeks how I progress. The part thathat saddens me is I was nearing my 405lbs bench goal
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As for the strength decrease I have reported I have troubleshooted and well idk what it is origin is the only thing I've changed I have deloated properly and had good meals. I love OL products have nothing but good things to say about them but I am just giving honest feedback. I do feel my strength coming back slowly so we will see in these next few weeks how I progress. The part thathat saddens me is I was nearing my 405lbs bench goal
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NoAddedHmones
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Honestly without an external stressor, it is pretty much impossible to keep the same mass as when training normally. In saying that, im sure it wouldnt hurt.
xtyler
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Exactly. Correlation does not imply causation in general and this time it'd really make no sense whatsoever.
Danes
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So after one month on origin one thing I noticed on Monday is that I looked better I had a good pump, chest looked fuller, biceps are coming in nicely, finally getting a biti of definition between my shoulder and biceps, and my legs have a better feel to them especially my hamstrings. So as for body composition after one month I have noticed a big difference and still have another month to go. If I keep seeing improvements I will order another bottle and try a 3 month run.
As for the strength decrease I have reported I have troubleshooted and well idk what it is origin is the only thing I've changed I have deloated properly and had good meals. I love OL products have nothing but good things to say about them but I am just giving honest feedback. I do feel my strength coming back slowly so we will see in these next few weeks how I progress. The part thathat saddens me is I was nearing my 405lbs bench goal
You know your body best and I do believe your Strength decrease. But I dont believe it is due to Or1gin. You say you was nearing your 405 bench goal. It is definitely a sign you are working out hard so I guess there is somehow lack of revovery etc you are not aware of?
hamdysayed
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makes perfect sense as I was thinking the same.
my strength have gone up after my ph run while on pct.
limitless_
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Anyone running Orig1n with Forcelean (foreskalin) by OL form their essential series. I am on day 4 for both
Woody
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I am as well. About two weeks in.
limitless_
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Any promising changes or results. One thing I noticed was that last night my hunger was uncontrollable after I had some steak and salad and green veggies I typically keep carbs under 100g and I just had to have carbs yesterday. My weight is going up but I feel and look leaner
JDybya
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Anybody else having loose stools.
One week in. Stacked with follidrone and Dermastrength unleashed (2nd month of those). Staples of triumph, endure, conquer, orange triad, cissus, gut health.
Was having hard, too small stools on alphamax, came off that and got on Origin...bam...liquidy sh!t.
Once a day, not like frequent bad diarrhea.
Any guesses? Cause? Solution?
One week in. Stacked with follidrone and Dermastrength unleashed (2nd month of those). Staples of triumph, endure, conquer, orange triad, cissus, gut health.
Was having hard, too small stools on alphamax, came off that and got on Origin...bam...liquidy sh!t.
Once a day, not like frequent bad diarrhea.
Any guesses? Cause? Solution?
jh1
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I noticed that at first but it passed pretty quickly, maybe just over a week into my run. In week 5 now, and no gi issues at all.
xtyler
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Well this is every bodybuilder's dream...
raul87
Active member
I suspected this as well so I did a 2 week deload and well I felt my strength come back a little but still can't hit lifts I have before. I will keep troubleshooting and see if I can come up with a definitive answer. Any options or advice are more than welcome. Thanks
GNO
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Heavy lifting is severly taxing on the CNS to the point a deload week may not be enough to get back at it and hit a PR. Coming out of PCT I noticed a minor degradation on my deadlift after several weeks going for a heavy single and consistently hitting a PR. I took 3-4 weeks off that training approach to just focusing on hypertrophy style workouts, no higher than 80% of max. Afterward, went for it and boom PR. At the time I was only taking Tr1umph and donuts
Danes
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How is your Stim intake?
raul87
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Just finished my day shift week so for th past week I would have an ECA (200mg caffeine and 35mg E) cap like at 4am and then I'd have CU pre workout at 6pm
Danes
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You should take some stim break to "clear" your CNS. It seems like it need a real recovery.
Sparkss
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not to retail the current discussion, but I just wrapped my first month and the muscle fullness is unreal. It is a little sad though as I know this "look" is not "all me", but partially the effect of Orig1n, and will go away if/when I cycle off/run out/stop taking it. The one piece though is that no only do I look fuller in the mirror, I see the increase on the scale. So is that retained water? Or does increasing the muscle glycogen stores have that much of a weight impact? Some of it is fat, I already know that (my intake went way up ), but the scale does not match the waistline increase (which that increase is no ones fault but my own).
), but the scale does not match the waistline increase (which that increase is no ones fault but my own).
Studhorse
Legend
The legs are usually the last to go. the bigger the muscle the more it can handle.
xtyler
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Well, some good news for you: you don't have to come offnot to retail the current discussion, but I just wrapped my first month and the muscle fullness is unreal. It is a little sad though as I know this "look" is not "all me", but partially the effect of Orig1n, and will go away if/when I cycle off/run out/stop taking it. The one piece though is that no only do I look fuller in the mirror, I see the increase on the scale. So is that retained water? Or does increasing the muscle glycogen stores have that much of a weight impact? Some of it is fat, I already know that (my intake went way up
The fullness is intracellular water, something more than welcome.
Sparkss
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Well, some good news for you: you don't have to come off
The fullness is intracellular water, something more than welcome.
Budget and the supplement stock gods willing, or course
The fullness is like walking around with an all-day pump going on. And it is amazingly easy to get a skin busting pump while working out right now. Ironically I am using CU for my Pre right now (I say that because I cycle through different Pre's from time to time).
Sparkss
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Budget and the supplement stock gods willing, or course
The fullness is like walking around with an all-day pump going on. And it is amazingly easy to get a skin busting pump while working out right now. Ironically I am using CU for my Pre right now (I say that because I cycle through different Pre's from time to time).
What meant is that I am just about all OL right now, so no other supps can lay claim to my pumps
abformulations
Legend
First two weeks I hardly used the bathroom 3-4th week loose stool like diarrhea at least 1-2x per day. No change in diet neither.
xtyler
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Frankly speaking this makes no sense. If one is going to experience GI distress from -any- new compound, that's going to happen within the first few days, definitely not after weeks. Not saying you're not experiencing this but once again correlation does not imply causation, this time more than ever.
I started using Whey 20 years ago and 14 years later I divorced.
Danes
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I am my second week on OR1GIN and I find pooping much easier now. No loose stool here
GNO
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Must've been gas from too much Whey dude.
Sparkss
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I will share that I noticed that some supps (Phase2 carb blocker, Green Coffee Bean extract) have more of an effect (loose stool) when I am taking Orig1n than when I am not, but Orig1n on its own does not have that affect, something that I tested by only taking Orig1n for 1 day, and skipping the others, just to see. I even found that adding certain ones (F95/Forslean) led to stronger GI impacts (almost watery stool, but not the same "urgency" as diarrhea). Neither of those had anywhere close to that impact (or any GI impact at all) when I took them before taking Orig1n, so it is most likely the improved digestion leading to a higher bio-availability of those compounds giving me the GI sides?
P.S. I am sure that I am going to get flamed by some of the OL reps for taking some (or all) of those supps while also taking Orig1n, but I know they work for me to help lose weight (positive proof from the end of last year), and right now that is one of my goals, part of a recomp. I feel leaner, but still fuller muscles, when taking Orig1n and them together, so anecdotally they work for me, and I also realize part of that is mental. I feel less guilty about the extra eating when I know some of the simple carbs are being digested/treated as complex carbs and avoiding, or at least minimizing, an insulin spike.
P.S. I am sure that I am going to get flamed by some of the OL reps for taking some (or all) of those supps while also taking Orig1n, but I know they work for me to help lose weight (positive proof from the end of last year), and right now that is one of my goals, part of a recomp. I feel leaner, but still fuller muscles, when taking Orig1n and them together, so anecdotally they work for me, and I also realize part of that is mental. I feel less guilty about the extra eating when I know some of the simple carbs are being digested/treated as complex carbs and avoiding, or at least minimizing, an insulin spike.
Jebrook
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xtyler
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Enduring 14 years of protein farts?! Sex must've been good at least...
Well guys just GTFO :rofl:
Jebrook
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Nobody is going to flame you bro! Lol. We all stack multiple things. You purchased your supps and can run them any way you please. By all means share what you find works and doesn't or observations you notice.
ma70
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Why would anyone flame you for stacking stuff (especially the OL reps, who are actually pretty friendly, even if they won't let us have orange flavored CU)? Have you seen these boards? People take 20 supps and log them all the time.
Sparkss
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Thanks. I know there was a discussion about certain other supps blunting the nutrient uptake, and I acknowledge that negative impact from some of the stacked supps, but that still aligns with my overall goals. And despite any possibility of negative posts about my stacking, I still wanted to share my experience since it may help anyone else encountering similar GI outcomes
. Not to mention that it seemed to correspond to the other posters experience. I know that the digestion improvement took a week or so for me to be "noticeable". So maybe there is another supp they are taking that started to build up due to the improved digestion from Orig1n (totally speculation on my part). I did also notice no real difference from supps that already included Bioperine (piperine), which I had half expected piperine and Or1gin to not really get along too well (too much of a good thing sort of a thought) . But I did not notice any negative impact from that combination.
Sparkss
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Thanks, it was more about what I was stacking, and that being supps that can blunt nutrient uptake, a topic that was nay-sayed (with valid reason) earlier in the thread. But it still aligns with my goals, so I take them with "eyes wide open", so to speak. But as with all things I listen to how my body reacts (and what it tells me) as well as the scientific information shared here. So my supps protocol may change after trying the combination/stack for a couple more weeks.