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Q&A FOR OLYMPUS LABS TR1UMPH

Irons_Mule said:
The majority of human studies I've seen with PA have been around 750mg/ed, but I've read a couple in the 1.5-2g/ed range as well.
Maybe someone with more SL / PA first hand experience can chime in with what's worked best for them.
One of the main things that attracted me to OL is that typically, when they add an ingredient, they add the full clinical dose. That's carried a lot of weight with me.
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Thank you.
We never include any ingredient in our formulations as a lure to sell more.
 
Irons_Mule said:
Yep...9...hundred! 913mg to be specific. ;)
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Yeah, split dose 1/2 pre 1/2 post wo sounds like the way to go bro!
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It's nice to have an exact amount known. How was this number arrived at? One test on one sample, multiple tests on one sample, etc? Because it's a lecithin I'm trying to get a handle on how consistent that number will be because I will probably supplement with granules on top of this.
 
toddmuelheim said:
It's nice to have an exact amount known. How was this number arrived at? One test on one sample, multiple tests on one sample, etc? Because it's a lecithin I'm trying to get a handle on how consistent that number will be because I will probably supplement with granules on top of this.
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It was a 3rd party test for the first batch and we will re-test for future batches.
 
GNO said:
It was a 3rd party test for the first batch and we will re-test for future batches.
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Was the whole run based off that particular batch? It'll be interesting to see subsequent testing as it could possibly increase the PA per serving in the product significantly with zero change to formulation.
 
Irons_Mule said:
The majority of human studies I've seen with PA have been around 750mg/ed, but I've read a couple in the 1.5-2g/ed range as well.
Maybe someone with more SL / PA first hand experience can chime in with what's worked best for them.
One of the main things that attracted me to OL is that typically, when they add an ingredient, they add the full clinical dose. That's carried a lot of weight with me.
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I've interacted quite a bit with Dr. Wilson and Dr. Stout, two of the three main researchers of PA. through Biotest's forums. I've also been using PA since it first became available. Here are the Cliff notes:

1) the effective dosage range for PA is ~ 450-750 mg. per single dose. Below ~ 450 mg. is of little use for stimulating mTOR, above ~750 mg. as a single dose seems to produce little in additional mTOR activation.

2) PA stimulates mTOR through a different mechanism than resistance training (through the ERK pathway), and thus serves to amplify the mTOR stimulation from resistance training. This is also why PA stimulates mTOR and protein synthesis independently of resistance training.

3) Various dosing schemes have been tried, including splitting the dose 1/2 pre, 1/2 post training. What they have found is that DOSING 1 HOUR PRE produces the best results. The idea is to increase PA levels as much and as fast as possible within the therapeutic limit, and to have these elevated levels WHEN YOU BEGIN TRAINING so as to magnify the mTOR activation from the training.

4) PA is active in your body for ~ 7 hours.

5) Additional 750 mg. doses HAVE been found to produce additive effects; the second dose should be consumed 6-7 hours after the first.

Hope that helps,

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toddmuelheim said:
Was the whole run based off that particular batch? It'll be interesting to see subsequent testing as it could possibly increase the PA per serving in the product significantly with zero change to formulation.
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I believe so.
 
toddmuelheim said:
Was the whole run based off that particular batch? It'll be interesting to see subsequent testing as it could possibly increase the PA per serving in the product significantly with zero change to formulation.
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Yes. I addressed this in the insider thread
 
If I buy for 200$ I get free shipping. Only thing is if my order goes over 177$ the Swedish customs going to money rape me. Unless it is sent has a gift. But that is something I guess I cant ask from OL on such a big order. :wink1:
Otherwise I just will settle with some tubs Tr1umph. I envy them domestic shipping cost on 5-10$ :/
 
Pec.Major said:
If I buy for 200$ I get free shipping. Only thing is if my order goes over 177$ the Swedish customs going to money rape me. Unless it is sent has a gift. But that is something I guess I cant ask from OL on such a big order. :wink1:
Otherwise I just will settle with some tubs Tr1umph. I envy them domestic shipping cost on 5-10$ :/
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You are correct, sir. Being an American is pretty f***ing fantastic. ;)
 
Pec.Major said:
If I buy for 200$ I get free shipping. Only thing is if my order goes over 177$ the Swedish customs going to money rape me. Unless it is sent has a gift. But that is something I guess I cant ask from OL on such a big order. :wink1:
Otherwise I just will settle with some tubs Tr1umph. I envy them domestic shipping cost on 5-10$ :/
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PM me, we can take care of this easily.
 
macwad said:
Question: why no info on PA on the write-up? There is only info about health benefits of SL
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We could not adequately detail the SL constituents without potentially violating the patent.
 
Pec.Major said:
If I buy for 200$ I get free shipping. Only thing is if my order goes over 177$ the Swedish customs going to money rape me. Unless it is sent has a gift. But that is something I guess I cant ask from OL on such a big order. :wink1:
Otherwise I just will settle with some tubs Tr1umph. I envy them domestic shipping cost on 5-10$ :/
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$177 ? You're good... In Cyprus above $100 you are royally screwed! This is the only thing keeping me from ordering and taking advantage of all the insider sales. I have to wait till the products arrive to UK retailers (who rarely do any discounts) and if I can't find it only then order from the States.
 
JulzRulz said:
$177 ? You're good... In Cyprus above $100 you are royally screwed! This is the only thing keeping me from ordering and taking advantage of all the insider sales. I have to wait till the products arrive to UK retailers (who rarely do any discounts) and if I can't find it only then order from the States.
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Have you ever tried to contact the vendor and advise to send it as gift or change the value on the parcel and set it below $100?
 
JulzRulz said:
$177 ? You're good... In Cyprus above $100 you are royally screwed! This is the only thing keeping me from ordering and taking advantage of all the insider sales. I have to wait till the products arrive to UK retailers (who rarely do any discounts) and if I can't find it only then order from the States.
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Pm me
 
Since its containg soy lecithing, should it then be refigerated after opening like normal soy lecithin has to or can I just stored it as any other supplement??
 
Are you just releasing none hormonal products under the same names as your prohormones? As obviously tr1umph was originally triumphallis
 
M.I.D said:
Are you just releasing none hormonal products under the same names as your prohormones? As obviously tr1umph was originally triumphallis
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NO. The titles for our upcoming will be adjectives for the most part and Tr1umph fits into that.
 
Took 1/2 scoop of the peaches and cream sorbet with 6oz of water and oh my, I am in heaven. This is by far the greatest tasting supplement ever. Solid profile and amazing taste. OL you never disappoint me.
 
slggtstrength said:
Took 1/2 scoop of the peaches and cream sorbet with 6oz of water and oh my, I am in heaven. This is by far the greatest tasting supplement ever. Solid profile and amazing taste. OL you never disappoint me.
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We aim to please : )

Happy to hear you are enjoying your order! Have you tried the Orange flavor yet?
 
slggtstrength said:
Took 1/2 scoop of the peaches and cream sorbet with 6oz of water and oh my, I am in heaven. This is by far the greatest tasting supplement ever. Solid profile and amazing taste. OL you never disappoint me.
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Great, very glad to hear it. Effective, good tasting and amazing profile.
 
Is there any place to order Tr1umph other than Nutriverse? Everytime I try to proceed to checkout nothing happens like I never clicked a button. Been trying since Tuesday and even emailed them but no response. The TRIUMPH20 coupon code worked but it doesn't help if I can't order it
 
mechka_grizli said:
Is there any place to order Tr1umph other than Nutriverse? Everytime I try to proceed to checkout nothing happens like I never clicked a button. Been trying since Tuesday and even emailed them but no response. The TRIUMPH20 coupon code worked but it doesn't help if I can't order it
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GNO30 for 30% off at Olympus-labs.com for now. We are working on other retailers
 
Never used creatine HCL before...
We talked about how the dose was ample in Tr1umph, but never discussed loading. Do you still need to load HCL like you do with mono , or not so much?
 
Irons_Mule said:
Never used creatine HCL before...
We talked about how the dose was ample in Tr1umph, but never discussed loading. Do you still need to load HCL like you do with mono , or not so much?
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You never really need to load creatine. Taking it at "maintenance" dose will still get you the benefits after a few weeks. But if you want to load for quicker benefits, just throw in some mono if you really wanted.
 
Irons_Mule said:
Never used creatine HCL before...
We talked about how the dose was ample in Tr1umph, but never discussed loading. Do you still need to load HCL like you do with mono , or not so much?
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Loading is usually the reason people tend to write about negative side effects with creatine like bloating, stomach aches etc. no real need to load.
 
slggtstrength said:
You never really need to load creatine. Taking it at "maintenance" dose will still get you the benefits after a few weeks. But if you want to load for quicker benefits, just throw in some mono if you really wanted.
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So they're interchangeable? Meaning; I can take an increased dose of mono to help the hcl saturate better / quicker?
I knew loading was not an absolute necessity, but I always liked doing it to see the results right away rather than waiting 3-4 weeks.
 
slggtstrength said:
You never really need to load creatine. Taking it at "maintenance" dose will still get you the benefits after a few weeks. But if you want to load for quicker benefits, just throw in some mono if you really wanted.
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NoAddedHmones said:
Loading is usually the reason people tend to write about negative side effects with creatine like bloating, stomach aches etc. no real need to load.
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Agreed with these guys, but just as a side note, I've taken 20g creatine monohydrate for 4 weeks, 10g for 4 weeks, then down to 5g for 8 weeks and had seriously awesome results.
 
Irons_Mule said:
So they're interchangeable? Meaning; I can take an increased dose of mono to help the hcl saturate better / quicker?
I knew loading was not an absolute necessity, but I always liked doing it to see the results right away rather than waiting 3-4 weeks.
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Yeah, if you really wanted to. If you like loading, go for it. I never load as I get a terrible bloat feeling. But yes, you can use mono and hcl at the same time.
 
Irons_Mule said:
Anyone planning on stacking mono with the hcl in Tr1, or just calling it good with what's already in it?
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Lol I've been taking a serving each of Tr1umph and Vital1ty so I've been stacking the two types of creatine already
 
Irons_Mule said:
Anyone planning on stacking mono with the hcl in Tr1, or just calling it good with what's already in it?
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Its good with just that, but I take mono with it, as I bought a ton of 6lbs muscletech whey cuz I got it for $28/6lbs and it has mono in it. But there really is no need to add more creatine.
 
Irons_Mule said:
Anyone planning on stacking mono with the hcl in Tr1, or just calling it good with what's already in it?
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Nope. I've been running mono up to the point I'll start Tr1umph. So in theory I'm "saturated" already and will just stick to the 1 serving of Tr1umph for my creatine moving forward.
 
It's really hard to only drink one scoop of this stuff per day
 
Irons_Mule said:
Never used creatine HCL before...
We talked about how the dose was ample in Tr1umph, but never discussed loading. Do you still need to load HCL like you do with mono , or not so much?
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Man, Ive been running creatine non stop for more than a year, so Im already loaded. Never stop using creatine. There is no reason to.
 
Can I use tr1iumpg + Ara + Anabeta elite? Or are there anything in those products that shouldnt be consumes at the same time`? - otherwise it looks like a great cycle?
 
Zariph said:
awesome, seems like tr1umpjh is the perfect product to stack with ARA...Loved my last ABE run which is why I wanted to add this also^^
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Definitely is. Soy lecithin can be used the same way GMS was in ArA cycles. Everything else in it is just icing on the cake.
 
Zariph said:
yeh soy lecithin but also the LCLT is nice addition to ara
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Yeah it is. I always have LCLT. Take it year round. So I never think of it when planning out cycles. Thank Olympus Labs for coming out with a great tasting product with soy lecithin because dang I get tired of granules taste and have to stop lol.
 
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