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"Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed (make a thorough or dramatic change in form, appearance, or character) by the renewing (to make like new, restore, [reprogramming]) of your mind."
 
David Dunn said:
I completely agree. Environment and nurturing make up a lot, if not the entirety, of what comes 'natural' to us all. When I look at how I got to be who I am, examine the results and/or consequences of my behaviors and choices, I many times have asked myself "what have I become and how did I get this way - or far too often in my past - how did this happen to me." I see the natural man and his 'condition' being far inferior to the creational man.

Recognizing and undersatnding the difference would require believing you are a unique and sanctified creation in the first place.
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we are a product of our experiences...
 
"And do not imitate this world, but be transformed by the renovation of your minds, and you shall distinguish what is the good, acceptable and perfect will of God." Parallel translation
 
thebigt said:
we are a product of our experiences...
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IMO many are willing to settle to stay that way by reproducing and or perpetuating the same environments and nurturing conditions over and over again reprodcuing the same experiencial outcomes.

Everyone has experiences. Wisdom is learning from those experiences. Greater wisdom is learning from others experiences. Greatest wisdom is learning from others wisdom.

The wisdom I have gained from my experience has shown me that there were many experiences from my environment and nurturing that were very counter productive to living a healthy life. The greater wisdom I having learned how not to reproduce those same experiences like many others mistakenly do. The greatest wisdom I can have is to learn from others' wisdom in how to produce the proper environment and nurturing conditions to become and live as a much more healthy person now and in my future and for the future of my sons and daughters and grandsons and grand daughters.

Knowledge without action is worthless.

With great power comes great responsibility.

This product called me is still under developed.

JMHO :D
 
David Dunn said:
IMO many are willing to settle to stay that way by reproducing and or perpetuating the same environments and nurturing conditions over and over again reprodcuing the same experiencial outcomes.

Everyone has experiences. Wisdom is learning from those experiences. Greater wisdom is learning from others experiences. Greatest wisdom is learning from others wisdom.

The wisdom I have gained from my experience has shown me that there were many experiences from my environment and nurturing that were very counter productive to living a healthy life. The greater wisdom I having learned how not to reproduce those same experiences like many others mistakenly do. The greatest wisdom I can have is to learn from others' wisdom in how to produce the proper environment and nurturing conditions to become and live as a much more healthy person now and in my future and for the future of my sons and daughters and grandsons and grand daughters.

Knowledge without action is worthless.

With great power comes great responsibility.

This product called me is still under developed.

JMHO :D
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indeed...for most of my life i was a practicing alcoholic, with a variety of drugs thrown in. i am the person i am today beacause of this experience.


had i never been addicted myself i wouldn't have the empathy and compassion for those who are not as fortunate as i have been. i truely believe that those of us who have been able to overcome addiction are blessed...

15 years and counting...and i consider this the biggest accomplishment of my life, even though i credit GOD [there i said it] for having chosen me to be blessed with this gift of sobriety!!!!
 
David Dunn said:
"You're" an idiot :D

Anything and everything you say (can and) WILL BE used against you! Period.

They are not your friend nor are they trying to help you.

Don't ask me how I know this.
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Come on guys, I can't be the only one who wants to know.

Brian, how do you know this?! :D
 
AZMIDLYF said:
You are genetically predisposed in many ways, but who you become is created by your environment's influences in the early years and then personal choices later. Nurturing is so important for the young!
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Without a doubt the influences and behavioral patterns my parents instilled in me when I was young dictated how I, for the most part, reacted to certain situations. But even then I tested boundaries and pushed the limits on many occasions and I occasionally learnt from that when things ended up out of my favor.

My parents created the 'moral' foundation in which I abide by, but ultimately I learnt from my experiences.
 
The foundation gets built when young and then you get to make the choices on how the rest is built.
 
AZMIDLYF said:
The foundation gets built when young and then you get to make the choices on how the rest is built.
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you always have a choice...but sometimes life gives you some crappy choices to choose from!!!

obama or romney for example!!!!
 
thebigt said:
indeed...for most of my life i was a practicing alcoholic, with a variety of drugs thrown in. i am the person i am today beacause of this experience.


had i never been addicted myself i wouldn't have the empathy and compassion for those who are not as fortunate as i have been. i truely believe that those of us who have been able to overcome addiction are blessed...

15 years and counting...and i consider this the biggest accomplishment of my life, even though i credit GOD [there i said it] for having chosen me to be blessed with this gift of sobriety!!!!
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I know your story personally as well.

The deliverance (for which I credit to God as well) from substance abuse changes many other characteristics about our personality (naturally, of course, as we were living under the influence of mind altering substances). The people, places and things that happened in my life that I used to explain (not excuse) my choices, actions and behaviors, for which I held in the greatest contemp, I now hold with the greatest compassion and empathy. To me, that is a transformation, a transformation that I cannot attribute to my self will, but to God.

Congratulations!
 
I wasn't actually asking as much as being cheeky.

Like looking at the sun as soon as someone tells you not to lol.
 
bdcc said:
I wasn't actually asking as much as being cheeky.

Like looking at the sun as soon as someone tells you not to lol.
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I figured as much :)

I honestly have no issue and am pretty damn transparent about my life's testimony. It's something I pride myself in - sharing my mistakes so my son (or someone elses son) doesn't have to.
 
David Dunn said:
I know your story personally as well.

The deliverance (for which I credit to God as well) from substance abuse changes many other characteristics about our personality (naturally, of course, as we were living under the influence of mind altering substances). The people, places and things that happened in my life that I used to explain (not excuse) my choices, actions and behaviors, for which I help in the greatest contemp, I now hold with the greatest compassion and empathy. To me, that is a transformation, a transformation that I cannot attribute to my self will, but to God.

Congratulations!
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if you look at all those who are sincere in their quest to beat addiction and fail, it is similar to the guy in the foxhole who see's his buddy standing next to him get his head blown off...you have to ask the question 'why me'?

i firmly believe there is a higher power at work here, because there is nothing special about me that would cause me to beat something that so many others have failed at.

congratulations to you also!!!
 
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David Dunn said:
I figured as much :)

I honestly have no issue and am pretty damn transparent about my life's testimony. It's something I pride myself in - sharing my mistakes so my son (or someone elses son) doesn't have to.
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For myself, this is a greatest sign of a mans character. Not the fact he messed up in the first place, because we all do that, but that fact that you can openly admit it to not only yourself, but to the 'rest of the world'. We make mistakes so that yourself and others may learn from them.

thebigt said:
if you look at all those who are sincere in their quest to beat addiction and fail, it is similar to the guy in the foxhole who see's his buddy standing next to him get his head blown off...you have to ask the question 'why me'?

i firmly believe there is a higher power at work here, because there is nothing special about me that would cause me to beat something that so many others have failed at.

congratulations to you also!!!
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Great post.
 
As far as this goes (nature vs nurture specifically), I think it is important to not solely revolve around nurture. (As seems to be happening here, although I am skimming)

For example, the things that have happened in my life have most certainly affected who I am today. There is no denying that.

However, my brother and I grew up with the exact same hardships (only 1 year apart). Yet my outlook on life is, and has always been, the exact opposite of his.

After our father passed, he turned to drugs and failed school. While I turned towards God and ended up enlisting (as my father did when he was young).

Nature definitely played a major role in this difference between us. IME
 
jimbuick said:
As far as this goes (nature vs nurture specifically), I think it is important to not solely revolve around nurture. (As seems to be happening here, although I am skimming)

For example, the things that have happened in my life have most certainly affected who I am today. There is no denying that.

However, my brother and I grew up with the exact same hardships (only 1 year apart). Yet my outlook on life is, and has always been, the exact opposite of his.

After our father passed, he turned to drugs and failed school. While I turned towards God and ended up enlisting (as my father did when he was young).

Nature definitely played a major role in this difference between us. IME
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i don't think anyone is pointing all at nurture..has been mentioned, a combination of both

your example is golden: a story revolves around the same parameters, where 2 brothers grow up in horrible household where dad drinks, beats them, and denigrates them daily..to make it short and summarize:

one brother grows up like you, becomes responsible member of society, making different choices; the other, a spitting image of his father..ends up in prison

when asked what he attributed his success and ability to overcome his upbringing, the one brother says: "my father was an alcoholic, treated me horribly. i made up my mind that this was NOT who i wanted to be, and did everything i could to avoid the same mistakes that i saw my father make."

when the other brother was asked the same question, why he made the choices that led him to prison: " my father was an alcoholic and abused me, well what do you expect?"

more to think about:

there are also notable documented cases of identical twins, seperated at birth, who - despite never having had contact with one another,and growing up in quite different environments, lead very similar lives and make almost identical choices in jobs/significant others/interests/apparel etc

simple wiki search has interesting research listed

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is an interesting discussion, much to consider as always
 
jimbuick said:
As far as this goes (nature vs nurture specifically), I think it is important to not solely revolve around nurture. (As seems to be happening here, although I am skimming)

For example, the things that have happened in my life have most certainly affected who I am today. There is no denying that.

However, my brother and I grew up with the exact same hardships (only 1 year apart). Yet my outlook on life is, and has always been, the exact opposite of his.

After our father passed, he turned to drugs and failed school. While I turned towards God and ended up enlisting (as my father did when he was young).

Nature definitely played a major role in this difference between us. IME
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I agree 100% and I am glad you mentioned that.

IME the very same hold true with my brother and I.

He is admittedly symptomatic - over-achiever, solitary, self-made, detatched, depending on noone nor confiding in anyone.

I became extrovertedly symptomatic (substance abuse and sexual deviancy) while he was introvertedly symptomatic (stated above). Both unhealthy to equal degrees.
 
David Dunn said:
I agree 100% and I am glad you mentioned that.

IME the very same hold true with my brother and I.

He is admittedly symptomatic - over-achiever, solitary, self-made, detatched, depending on noone nor confiding in anyone.

I became extrovertedly symptomatic (substance abuse and sexual deviancy) while he was introvertedly symptomatic (stated above). Both unhealthy to equal degrees.
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Could the difference in two brothers be attributed to unequal treatment while growing up? My brother and I are 22 months apart. We grew up in the same household, under the same set of circumstances, and yet we differ in so many ways. I am the first born and was treated differently than he was. Although this is a fault of MY parents, I assume that my case is not unique.
I state that because I would hope that parents are wise enough to learn from their "mistakes", or better yet, errors in judgement with older children. Though we grew in the same house, we were raised slightly different and I would venture to say that that fact attributed to our different outcomes. The same could probably be said for many other people.
 
not to step on toes, but:

iparatroop said:
I would venture to say that that fact attributed to our different outcomes.
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contributed, surely i would agree; attributed would infer definitively was the cause or part of the cause - which is the whole basis for this age-old argument :D

which The same could probably be said for many other people.
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indeed - same here
you and i have much parallel going on..my brothers are night & day different than i, and they too were treated differently (i too am the oldest)

but yes - circumstances change..ppl (parents) grow - or, sometimes go backwards even
things happen
 
iparatroop said:
Could the difference in two brothers be attributed to unequal treatment while growing up? My brother and I are 22 months apart. We grew up in the same household, under the same set of circumstances, and yet we differ in so many ways. I am the first born and was treated differently than he was. Although this is a fault of MY parents, I assume that my case is not unique.
I state that because I would hope that parents are wise enough to learn from their "mistakes", or better yet, errors in judgement with older children. Though we grew in the same house, we were raised slightly different and I would venture to say that that fact attributed to our different outcomes. The same could probably be said for many other people.
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My step-father was alcoholic and Mom was an enabler and co-dependent. My brother and I are only 2 years apart. I was more like our biological father and my brother was more like my mother and grandfather (her Dad). Although I know my mother loves us equally I feel she was more "connected" to him because of similar temperaments and still are to this day (from my observations - could be insecurities that remain and skew my perceptions). I was more difficult than my brother in terms of avoiding conflict with my father. I was outspoken and confrontational (challenged he reason and logic - go figure - who would have guessed it) and my brother was more passive and non-confrontational. Those dynamics brought us different attentions both positively and negatively from both parents.

Although my brother and I tend to be polar opposite in many ways our relationship is/was symbiotic complementary and synergistic. We have a deep loyalty to one another and an equal passion for fatherhood.
 
A River Runs Through It-Directed by Robert Redford, a 1992 movie about two brothers competing for their fathers attention had such parallels to my brother and I we had to tell our dates we saw the movie with that we would have to call it a night, as my brother and I spent the rest of it reflecting on our childhood and why we felt as we did. Our dates did not take kindly it was our last with each.
 
iparatroop said:
Fred Anthony, initials FA or AF backwards. All of the posts I've seen from him seem to be pushing AF. Howsaboutdat for your conspiracy theories? (I came up with this myself)
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I'll buy it. Now ban him/her/it for useless posts that seldom make sense. ;)
 
Maybe he is a alien?

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snagencyV2.0 said:
that's what i thought at first, but his randomness has some semblance of relevance
(sometimes)
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Hes definitely with AF in some way, check out his other posts: (all from FA)

"CP+R Cycle Protection & Recovery Promoting

Androgen and sex hormone regulation, balancing & protection
Dilatation of blood vessels for enhanced nutrient delivery
Anti-gyno effects (blockage of soft tissue development)
Superior antioxidant and immune support
Healthy endocrine and thyroid function
Increase of red blood cell production
Post workout muscle protection
Sport endurance and recovery
41% Hair growth & repair
Healthy cell development
Protein retention
Prostate health
Muscle health
Sexual vitality
Liver health " posted in Invalid Link Removed

"ANDRO FACTORY’s sole mission is to empower athletes with the safest, strongest, legal and most affordable natural prohormones & non-prohormone testosterone enhancements." posted in Invalid Link Removed

etc.

My only concern is that if he's associated with AF, he should have it in his sig, at least that way people know he is biased in some way and not totally objective toward AF products (which he seems to try do in other threads).
 
Jiigzz said:
Hes definitely with AF in some way, check out his other posts: (all from FA)

"CP+R Cycle Protection & Recovery Promoting

Androgen and sex hormone regulation, balancing & protection
Dilatation of blood vessels for enhanced nutrient delivery
Anti-gyno effects (blockage of soft tissue development)
Superior antioxidant and immune support
Healthy endocrine and thyroid function
Increase of red blood cell production
Post workout muscle protection
Sport endurance and recovery
41% Hair growth & repair
Healthy cell development
Protein retention
Prostate health
Muscle health
Sexual vitality
Liver health " posted in Invalid Link Removed

"ANDRO FACTORY's sole mission is to empower athletes with the safest, strongest, legal and most affordable natural prohormones & non-prohormone testosterone enhancements." posted in Invalid Link Removed

etc.

My only concern is that if he's associated with AF, he should have it in his sig, at least that way people know he is biased in some way and not totally objective toward AF products (which he seems to try do in other threads).
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He's a shill, their last one got banned.
 
i knew what part you were talking about earlier :D

but hey - look what came up on the side after that second vid was done playing..
freaking lee priest posing at 14 yrs old!!!



wow!
 
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