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Dirty Dan said:
I'm here to throw another derail to this thread.

I created a thread asking for advice on supplements which would allow me to sit down and study without getting distracted. Some suggested the use of Adderall while others criticized that idea in a negative manner.

Why do you suppose some on this forum would find a chemically designed substance in which it can help you focus and improve your study habits as cheating or considered a lazy method but then find a chemically designed substance that allows you to build more muscle mass as acceptable?
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wait - you're not inferring we have a hypocritical society now, are you? :D

but the misuse and abuse of these things, just gives more fuel to the fire for those who want to take them out of our hands..

and this is why we can't have nice things boys & girls....
 
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i believe there could be life on other planets. by life, i dont mean bacteria or anything like that. we just dont know and wont know until we see it. but those of you who believe there is life, you have faith in what is not seen. just like me :D

somehow, someway, somebody is gonna take that last sentence and say "R1, why do you think God is an alien?"
 
Dirty Dan said:
I'm here to throw another derail to this thread.

I created a thread asking for advice on supplements which would allow me to sit down and study without getting distracted. Some suggested the use of Adderall while others criticized that idea in a negative manner.

Why do you suppose some on this forum would find a chemically designed substance in which it can help you focus and improve your study habits as cheating or considered a lazy method but then find a chemically designed substance that allows you to build more muscle mass as acceptable?
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Because people have an unjust and irrational fear of pharmaceuticals and have this unfounded belief that because something is natural or OTC than it is safer.

Ultimately it is because people are stupid and lack the ability to think objectively and for themselves.

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JudoJosh said:
Because people have an unjust and irrational fear of pharmaceuticals and have this unfounded belief that because something is natural or OTC than it is safer.

Ultimately it is because people are stupid and lack the ability to think objectively and for themselves.

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I blame it on ABC after-school specials, personally. And that one commercial...
"I LEARNED IT BY WATCHING YOU, DAD!!!"
 
Dirty Dan said:
I'm here to throw another derail to this thread.

I created a thread asking for advice on supplements which would allow me to sit down and study without getting distracted. Some suggested the use of Adderall while others criticized that idea in a negative manner.

Why do you suppose some on this forum would find a chemically designed substance in which it can help you focus and improve your study habits as cheating or considered a lazy method but then find a chemically designed substance that allows you to build more muscle mass as acceptable?
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I think that when you strip it down, people have more of a propensity to see "mind altering" substances as more harmful, and potentially more addictive, than drugs that are intended to alter physique. If you look back only 25 years, you'll find that your brain on drugs was an egg in a frying pan. These images are burned into the psyche of many a man, and will last a lifetime. Unfortunately there are many sheep in this world that were herded into the same flock by those sorts of smear campaigns.
I have found (and only through personal experience, and not through "official research") that a large percentage of the people I have encountered who possess an "anti-drug" viewpoint/stance, have extremely addictive personalities and maintain that stance in order to keep themselves safe from THEMSELVES. These same people see no harm in continuously feeding their bodies a steady amount of diet coke and will knit until they get carpal tunnel syndrome, or some other activity of the sort, but their glass house is so much stronger and resistant to the same stones they throw.
Life.
 
jimbuick said:
As another derail.

Anyone notice that southwestbbb kid who only posts in the Anabolic section?

Guys 19 years old, done tren at 900mg a week and is already planning to blast and cruise. Wtf is wrong with people?!
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Who has reported his posts? Aiding and abetting a board rules violator! :D

Seriously, you guys need report these kind of situations. Being kind and flaming (or not) and helping someone safely use and post such within threads of this forum, and not reporting them, in my eyes, is aiding and abetting the breaking of the forum rules.

Please remember that these are our community's rules. Please help keep our community compliant. :)
 
iparatroop said:
I blame it on ABC after-school specials, personally. And that one commercial...
"I LEARNED IT BY WATCHING YOU, DAD!!!"
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A parent has the God given right to be a hypocrit in the instance of not doing what I did wrong but rather what I should have done right had I made better choices. - David Dunn :)

The irony is that often times children choose not to learn from the wisom of their parents mistakes that is passed on to them, to then only repeat them for themselves. Then to further complete the cycle they become that same hypocirtical parent themselves. :D
 
David Dunn said:
Who has reported his posts? Aiding and abetting a board rules violator! :D

Seriously, you guys need report these kind of situations. Being kind and flaming (or not) and helping someone safely use and post such within threads of this forum, and not reporting them, in my eyes, is aiding and abetting the breaking of the forum rules.

Please remember that these are our community's rules. Please help keep our community compliant. :)
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I've never tried reporting on the phone app, seems inconvenient.

Although someone already got his log.
 
David Dunn said:
A parent has the God given right to be a hypocrit in the instance of not doing what I did wrong but rather what I should have done right had I made better choices. - David Dunn :)

The irony is that often times children choose not to learn from the wisom of their parents mistakes that is passed on to them, to then only repeat them for themselves. Then to further complete the cycle they become that same hypocirtical parent themselves. :D
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Let we here hope that the former from the above quote applies for many years in regards to our perspicacious good friend

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Dirty Dan said:
I'm here to throw another derail to this thread.

I created a thread asking for advice on supplements which would allow me to sit down and study without getting distracted. Some suggested the use of Adderall while others criticized that idea in a negative manner.

Why do you suppose some on this forum would find a chemically designed substance in which it can help you focus and improve your study habits as cheating or considered a lazy method but then find a chemically designed substance that allows you to build more muscle mass as acceptable?
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I think it's more than simple "ethics" though. I'm not opposed to things helping you where you need them but have you explored other routes yet? I.e. what have you done to attempt to enjoy studying without the aid of a pharmacological agent? Most people I know who use AAS at least had a few years 'natty' to build a foundation before using AAS, the same, at least imo, applies to the use of other pharmacological agents.

Unless you want to be that guy who relies on chemicals to improve every aspect of your life, I suggest trying to explore other ways that make studying enticing.

Just my .02 cents.
 
Dirty Dan said:
Some may argue I was born liking boobies and others may believe society has molded me into believing I like boobies.
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i don't put much thought into why i like boobs...it's an automatic response!!!!


BOOM BABY!!!!
 
Ballesteri said:
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Let us think of ways to motivate one another to acts of love and good works. And let us not neglect our meeting together, as some people do, but encourage one another, especially now that the day of his return is drawing near. Hebrews 10:24-25 (NLT)
 
Dirty Dan said:
I agree 100% with you on that Jiigzz and I have no intentions of ever using Adderall to help me study. I was simply inquiring information about nootropics when the suggestion of Adderall was mentioned. I find it interesting people's different beliefs on which chemical substances they find morally and ethically acceptable.

I like your standpoint on how most tend to wait to jump into AAS until their diets and training has been perfected. Those ones who don't most members here step up to the plate and guide them in the right direction by suggesting they hold off on their cycles until the foundations have been laid.
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Ah yes, then that is hypocritical. :D
 
"I received a call about the raid, and immediately went to the office. I asked to speak to the head agent(s), who were Jeff Novitzky and Hilary Rickher. Against the advice of others, I choose to speak to them without an attorney. I handed them our DSHEA statement, sat down and allowed them to question me for about 2 hours regarding the formulation, marketing, and manufacturing of our products. They did not detain or arrest anyone."

Anyone who knows anything about law knows this is complete and utter BS. After a company is raided (just think the financial industry) they do not allow the defendant to sit down with the attorney of who is trying to build his case to have a "sit down discussion." And the attorney would certainly not lay out his cards on the table and let him know what they are trying to prove against him. Witness will be subpoenaed, testimony of witness will be presented to a grand jury, and the prosecuting attorney will win his case to move to the next level (ie federal or state trial). The owner of PP will be tried and prosecuted.

That is the flow. Not this I sat down with the guy who raided me and we shared a cup of coffee over why I did it bull****.
 
Duywayne said:
"I received a call about the raid, and immediately went to the office. I asked to speak to the head agent(s), who were Jeff Novitzky and Hilary Rickher. Against the advice of others, I choose to speak to them without an attorney. I handed them our DSHEA statement, sat down and allowed them to question me for about 2 hours regarding the formulation, marketing, and manufacturing of our products. They did not detain or arrest anyone."

Anyone who knows anything about law knows this is complete and utter BS. After a company is raided (just think the financial industry) they do not allow the defendant to sit down with the attorney of who is trying to build his case to have a "sit down discussion." And the attorney would certainly not lay out his cards on the table and let him know what they are trying to prove against him. Witness will be subpoenaed, testimony of witness will be presented to a grand jury, and the prosecuting attorney will win his case to move to the next level (ie federal or state trial). The owner of PP will be tried and prosecuted.

That is the flow. Not this I sat down with the guy who raided me and we shared a cup of coffee over why I did it bull****.
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You're soooooooo 36 pages ago. Catch up.
 
personally...i find brandy taylors boobs much more interesting, but that's just how i roll, lol.
 
I favor Denise Milani over Brandy...how I roll. Lol
 
Duywayne said:
"I received a call about the raid, and immediately went to the office. I asked to speak to the head agent(s), who were Jeff Novitzky and Hilary Rickher. Against the advice of others, I choose to speak to them without an attorney. I handed them our DSHEA statement, sat down and allowed them to question me for about 2 hours regarding the formulation, marketing, and manufacturing of our products. They did not detain or arrest anyone."

Anyone who knows anything about law knows this is complete and utter BS. After a company is raided (just think the financial industry) they do not allow the defendant to sit down with the attorney of who is trying to build his case to have a "sit down discussion." And the attorney would certainly not lay out his cards on the table and let him know what they are trying to prove against him. Witness will be subpoenaed, testimony of witness will be presented to a grand jury, and the prosecuting attorney will win his case to move to the next level (ie federal or state trial). The owner of PP will be tried and prosecuted.

That is the flow. Not this I sat down with the guy who raided me and we shared a cup of coffee over why I did it bull****.
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Your an idiot

He said he sat down with the arresting officer, not the attorney that was prosecuting him and this is very common. I take it you have never been arrested before huh? Or seen an episode of law and order or NCIS or any other cop drama on TV. The arresting officer always questions you and tries to get you to slip up and catch you in a lie. Their goal is to make you confess. You dont just get arrested and then turned over to the DA
 
JudoJosh said:
Your an idiot
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"You're" an idiot :D

He said he sat down with the arresting officer, not the attorney that was prosecuting him and this is very common. I take it you have never been arrested before huh? Or seen an episode of law and order or NCIS or any other cop drama on TV. The arresting officer always questions you and tries to get you to slip up and catch you in a lie. Their goal is to make you confuse. You dont just get arrested and then turned over to the DA
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Anything and everything you say (can and) WILL BE used against you! Period.

They are not your friend nor are they trying to help you.

Don't ask me how I know this.
 
JudoJosh said:
Your an idiot

He said he sat down with the arresting officer, not the attorney that was prosecuting him and this is very common. I take it you have never been arrested before huh? Or seen an episode of law and order or NCIS or any other cop drama on TV. The arresting officer always questions you and tries to get you to slip up and catch you in a lie. Their goal is to make you confess. You dont just get arrested and then turned over to the DA
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the first 48 is much better than those other shows...
 
thebigt said:
the first 48 is much better than those other shows...
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NCIS rocks! And not the gay one with LL Cool J but the original one with Gibbs and the hot israeli chick
 
JudoJosh said:
NCIS rocks! And not the gay one with LL Cool J but the original one with Gibbs and the hot israeli chick
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ncis is a show with actors...first 48 you get the real thing!!!


the israeli chick is hot though....
 
David Dunn said:
I tend to lean towards "creation" :)

Read the book Song of Songs in the Bible. There is some pretty passionate stuff in there. God certainly created a woman for a man in every way shape and form.
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im sure you would lean that way, in my professional experience though, environment usually wins out with regards to the development of ones self
 
sking6464 said:
im sure you would lean that way, in my professional experience though, environment usually wins out with regards to the development of ones self
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I completely agree. Environment and nurturing make up a lot, if not the entirety, of what comes 'natural' to us all. When I look at how I got to be who I am, examine the results and/or consequences of my behaviors and choices, I many times have asked myself "what have I become and how did I get this way - or far too often in my past - how did this happen to me." I see the natural man and his 'condition' being far inferior to the creational man.

Recognizing and undersatnding the difference would require believing you are a unique and sanctified creation in the first place.
 
You are genetically predisposed in many ways, but who you become is created by your environment's influences in the early years and then personal choices later. Nurturing is so important for the young!
 
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