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snagencyV2.0 said:
bingo
is where they study Higgs boson
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Its where the THINK they found a higgs boson. It is pretty revolutionary if they did. Next up is validating string theory!

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Coolazice said:
Actually, no it's not. Invalid Link RemovedCarry on.
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This diagram only represents how small our star compares to much larger stars in the known universe. It does not represent the scale of size of all stars compared to our own. There are more than 12 stars after all.
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
shyte's too intellectual for me nao..
i'm outta here

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Right...all this talk about stars has me confused...I never was good at geology though
 
JudoJosh said:
Shame on you for not paying attention in High School science classes. Our sun is a medium size star. There are stars that are waaay bigger than our sun such as the Betelgeuse star which is 700 times bigger and 14,000 times brighter.

By the way, you do realize planets aren't stars right?
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There was a lot that scientists didn't know when I was still in school that they know today... I've been out for quite a few years. Heck, Pluto was the 9th planet back in those days. Anyway, the sun is a very small star - not a medium one.

As far as the planets go: Yeah, I realize planets aren't stars. What did you want me to do, edit the whole picture when the purpose of it is comparison?
 
JudoJosh said:
OK, allow me to points out some tid bits of info.

We know some of the the elements that make up life (carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, etc) are the necessary building blocks for life, correct? And we know that these elements are formed within stars and are the most common elements on the universe. So I would ask, considering what makes us up is found everywhere, what is there to prevent life other places? Some might say life is the inevitable result of complex chemistry. So why can't there be? Another tid bit, yes we haven't found anything but how big is the universe vs how far we have looked? Did you know that we can safely say that there are more stars in the universe than there are individual grains of sand on every beach in the world! Considering our sun is only a medium size star, and that the ingredients for life are found EVERYWHERE in the universe, I think it is quite plausible that other life exist out there. There even floats an idea that life exist and knows we exist but won't attempt to communicate with us because we are that stupid compared to them. Think about this, chimpanzees share about 99% of DNA with humans. So within that 1% difference we are able to do amazing things like build hydrogen colliders and launch satellites into orbit, build cars and planes, etc. All this because we are only 1% different. Now imagine if this other life out there is also 1% different than us in the same direction that we are different than chimpanzees. Perhaps these life forms exist and just don't care to talk to us because we would be too stupid to understand. I mean when's the last time you tried to have a conversation with a worm or an ant?

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Well you can't argue with theory ;) :D

Haha, i'll admit defeat. I believe that, although the possibility for life (at least life on a planet that replicates the conditions of our own) is low, I find it hard to fathom that there is no forms of life out there; whether that be an intelligent race or just bacteria thriving off mars dust.
 
Jiigzz said:
This diagram only represents how small our star compares to much larger stars in the known universe. It does not represent the scale of size of all stars compared to our own. There are more than 12 stars after all.
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Right.... which means there is likely to be millions or billions that are much larger. Calling our sun "medium" when it is so tiny compared to several that we know of being larger is just silly.
 
Coolazice said:
Right.... which means there is likely to be millions or billions that are much larger. Calling our sun "medium" when it is so tiny compared to several that we know of being larger is just silly.
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Unless you consider the many we know of that are smaller than our sun.

We know of a fair amount that are larger, we also know of a fair amount that are smaller.

Thus making ours, medium size.
 
jimbuick said:
Unless you consider the many we know of that are smaller than our sun.

We know of a fair amount that are larger, we also know of a fair amount that are smaller.

Thus making ours, medium size.
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Mind=blown
 
just got back on this thread. how the heck did we get from PP to how our sun differs in size with other stars?!
 
jimbuick said:
Unless you consider the many we know of that are smaller than our sun.

We know of a fair amount that are larger, we also know of a fair amount that are smaller.

Thus making ours, medium size.
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Our sun is just too tiny on the comparison chart for me to believe it is large enough to qualify as medium. I could be wrong, but I don't think so.
 
Coolazice said:
Our sun is just too tiny on the comparison chart for me to believe it is large enough to qualify as medium. I could be wrong, but I don't think so.
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On one chart.

I could find one study that says protein causes kidney dysfunction, will that one reference cause you to remove protein from your diet?
 
Coolazice said:
Right.... which means there is likely to be millions or billions that are much larger. Calling our sun "medium" when it is so tiny compared to several that we know of being larger is just silly.
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Or, conversly, that millions and billions are much smaller. If I showed you a picture of structures being compared by height and it started with a mansion (being reference to the sun) then showed pictures of the Aon Centre being next to the Suntrust Plaza being compared to the 21st centery tower and so on and so forth until being lastly compared to the Burj Khalifa, that would indicate that mansions are the smallest structures but doesn't take into account all the smaller houses that populate the planet in which would outnumber larger structures.

Therefore making mansions amoungst the medium sized buidlings. poor comparison, but hopefully you catch my drift haha.

It could well be a small star for all I know, but that chart doesn't show much as it is only 11 other stars; when if you look up at night you can visibly see (without a telescope) approx. 10,000.
 
Jiigzz said:
Or, conversly, that millions and billions are much smaller. If I showed you a picture of structures being compared by height and it started with a mansion (being reference to the sun) then showed pictures of the Aon Centre being next to the Suntrust Plaza being compared to the 21st centery tower and so on and so forth until being lastly compared to the Burj Khalifa, that would indicate that mansions are the smallest structures but doesn't take into account all the smaller houses that populate the planet in which would outnumber larger structures.

Therefore making mansions amoungst the medium sized buidlings. poor comparison, but hopefully you catch my drift haha.

It could well be a small star for all I know, but that chart doesn't show much as it is only 11 other stars; when if you look up at night you can visibly see (without a telescope) approx. 10,000.
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I'm sure there are many that are smaller. But look up in the sky or at one of the shots from outer space - virtually every star you're seeing in those pics or with your naked eyes is larger than the sun. That alone makes ours the runt of the bunch.

Anyway, it's been fun, but maybe we should just agree to disagree here.

Btw, I have no clue what any of those structures you mentioned looked like (or at least by name). lol
 
Neil deGrasse Tyson refers to our sun as a medium size star. That's all the confirmation I have to know ;)

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Coolazice said:
Calling our sun "medium" when it is so tiny compared to several that we know of being larger is just silly.
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no need to be condescending, mate :nono:


jimbuick said:
I could find one study that says protein causes kidney dysfunction, will that one reference cause you to remove protein from your diet?
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umm, actually no, you cannot
no such study, with healthy individuals, exists


let's get back to reality round heah
 
While searching for a quote from Neil deGrasse Tyson, I came across this video.... As if I didn't feel insignificant enough. :(

[video=youtube;c8CgDGhYKe8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8CgDGhYKe8[/video]
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
no need to be condescending, mate :nono:

umm, actually no, you cannot
no such study, with healthy individuals, exists

let's get back to reality round heah
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Again, as I said earlier. It was an example, to prove a point. (That one reference does not equate to scientific fact)
 
Coolazice said:
I'm sure there are many that are smaller. But look up in the sky or at one of the shots from outer space - virtually every star you're seeing in those pics or with your naked eyes is larger than the sun. That alone makes ours the runt of the bunch.

Anyway, it's been fun, but maybe we should just agree to disagree here.

Btw, I have no clue what any of those structures you mentioned looked like (or at least by name). lol
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It would appear google would agree with you that all visible stars are larger than the sun haha, if that is true, I did not know that lol.

I guess its not overly important, just makes for fun discussion ;)
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
okay, now i agree
:D


is where we sprung up from seeds, of course
a variation of the bible, where we were created from dirt
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Sprung from a seed? Who watered us? :D
 
Coolazice said:
Gonna have to Google that one.
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Note: I realize he says average and not medium but I believe he used it in the same sense. I know I have heard him or read something by him where he specifically calls it medium. Maybe in my space chronicles book? Or maybe it was Sagan that said it? If I find it I will share with you

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Coolazice said:
While searching for a quote from Neil deGrasse Tyson, I came across this video.... As if I didn't feel insignificant enough. :(
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Oh you want to feel insignificant you say... enjoy ;)

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Jiigzz said:
It would appear google would agree with you that all visible stars are larger than the sun haha, if that is true, I did not know that lol. I guess its not overly important, just makes for fun discussion ;)
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I thought I remember seeing/reading about something that found that all the "stars" we see in the sky are all actually galaxies..
 
JudoJosh said:
Essentially that we come from Martians...

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Coolazice said:
I didn't say I wanted to - I implied that I already did. lol I'll check that video out in a few. Thanks!
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I know.. it was an attempt at humor.. guess I am not too funny :(
 
JudoJosh said:
Essentially that we come from Martians...

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you know, that's funny -
because earlier i meant to mention that WE are the aliens..just never knew it was called seed theory tbh

yeah i'll buy that one, but let's make it a little more interesting:
martians ship crashed into the ocean somewhere..survivors got brain damage from being underwater too long, and commenced to spawn a race of blubbering idiots

win
 
JudoJosh said:
Oh you want to feel insignificant you say... enjoy ;)

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Absolutely mind-numbing!!! I had no idea that there were that many galaxies mapped out there already. Nobody except one of the Holy Trinity will ever be able to convince me that we are alone in this universe.
 
Here is a brief overview of seed theory (Panspermia)

We know that Mars once had water as evidence by the dried up riverbeds, flood plains, etc that we can see. So possibly Mars had life. Now combine that with what we know about climate science, specifically that when an asteroid hits a planet it can cast rocks into space with escape velocity (so they never fall back down to the originating planet and instead enter into space) Lastly, lets take into account what we know about bacteria. Here on Earth we know there is bacteria that can survive all sorts of conditions (extreme temperatures and pressure, radiation, etc) and that these bacterias from Earth can easily survive the environment of Space. So lets combine everything, what we have is evidence which suggest Mars once had water and was a wet planet which increases the likelyhood that Mars once had life. Now what if Mars was hit with an asteroid with such force that caused pieces of its rock to enter into space and in the nooks and crannies on these pieces of rock there were bacteria stowaways that attached themselves. What if these rocks landed on earth? Could it be that life on earth was seeded by these bacterial stowaways from Mars?

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Coolazice said:
Absolutely mind-numbing!!! I had no idea that there were that many galaxies mapped out there already. Nobody except one of the Holy Trinity will ever be able to convince me that we are alone in this universe.
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RIGHT! Even after watching that I still dont think I can actually grasp the size of our universe that we live in. Combine that with the fact that the ingredients to the recipe for life (the elements) are so prevalent in the universe.. How can there not be life somewhere else at least in some form


This is a pretty cool quote from Sagan that further illustrates this


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JudoJosh said:
RIGHT! Even after watching that I still dont think I can actually grasp the size of our universe that we live in. Combine that with the fact that the ingredients to the recipe for life (the elements) are so prevalent in the universe.. How can there not be life somewhere else at least in some form

This is a pretty cool quote from Sagan that further illustrates this

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Wow... Amazing picture and quote! My 8th grade science teacher was always quoting him. I swear that at least 25% of his sentences started with "Carl Sagan says". lol Man that was a long time ago...24 years ago. Good times!
 
sounds like you had an awesome teacher
 
JudoJosh said:
Here is a brief overview of seed theory (Panspermia)

We know that Mars once had water as evidence by the dried up riverbeds, flood plains, etc that we can see. So possibly Mars had life. Now combine that with what we know about climate science, specifically that when an asteroid hits a planet it can cast rocks into space with escape velocity (so they never fall back down to the originating planet and instead enter into space) Lastly, lets take into account what we know about bacteria. Here on Earth we know there is bacteria that can survive all sorts of conditions (extreme temperatures and pressure, radiation, etc) and that these bacterias from Earth can easily survive the environment of Space. So lets combine everything, what we have is evidence which suggest Mars once had water and was a wet planet which increases the likelyhood that Mars once had life. Now what if Mars was hit with an asteroid with such force that caused pieces of its rock to enter into space and in the nooks and crannies on these pieces of rock there were bacteria stowaways that attached themselves. What if these rocks landed on earth? Could it be that life on earth was seeded by these bacterial stowaways from Mars?

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Woahhh. If only I had more time read things like this; too bogged down with other stuff but maybe during semester break I can look other things up.
 
Another mind-boggling video.


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Coolazice said:
I probably did and was too stupid and immature to recognize it. Wish I could do it all over again, but get the most out of it this time.
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There's always college ;) never too late

Jiigzz said:
Woahhh. If only I had more time read things like this; too bogged down with other stuff but maybe during semester break I can look other things up.
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I find astronomy possibly even more fascinating than I do human physiology.

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