Prime Vs. Havoc
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jsp0785
Well-known member
agreed. MT products are junk that don't work on top of ridiculous advertising
DreamWeaver
Legend
Agree there...
Another good point is that Prime works and works very well, I don't find the advertising was all that off the mark actually. Many others who have used it also agree.
djremix
Active member
come on
Prime is fantastic for a non hormonal product.
but the advertising is more suitable to something like superdrol.
and dont forget it doesnt work for everyone, in my case i didnt feel it working untill week 5!!! and even then it wasnt a steroid like effect.
DreamWeaver
Legend
Yes I am aware that there a many levels of response I conceed that it is more hit and miss with herbal products, but you have to understand it hit me in week 2 and keeps getting better. I am getting better results than I did from Halodrol. So for me it is doing as promised, and for others too. I am sorry your not a good responder, wish everyone was then we would not be arguing about it.
The_Reverend
Active member
Exactly my point. I'm not saying the products USP makes don't work, but the marketing scheme they use is a joke.
jsp0785
Well-known member
i didn't think it would be that good. i caught it on sale at gnc and picked up 2 bottle to give it a fair run. i'm a week into it and i can tell u i'm very impressed. i've already put on a few pounds. strength is up and my muscles feel fuller and i'm more vascular all day. so far its not as good as steroids but seems to be a good natural alternative. not to mention on and off i have trouble eating a lot of food but not on this. i've been slamming food down with no problem. normally i hit the full point and i can't keep eating. now i hit the full point and i can keep eating without feeling sick
DreamWeaver
Legend
Yes and the effects are much stronger in week 2 and 3 you'll be impressed.
jsp0785
Well-known member
that's what i've read and thats my reason for getting 2 bottles. i don't wanna start feeling really good and only having a week left.
b unit
Well-known member
the marketing they use works, i personally don't like it but it has worked as prime is certainly selling
i have used prime in conjuction with drive and i give it the thumbsup however i can't afford to buy it at the moment with it's current price and the international exchange rate in regards to a very high valued green back.
i'd use prime again if i had the opportunity or the avaliable funds
The_Reverend
Active member
....and muscle tech advertising works, too. What's your point? Please understand I'm not doubting the effectiveness of "some" of their products, but by no means are they going to do everything claimed in their advertising.
kilmann40
New member
Bravoboy
Well-known member
really and trully, overall, they do supply good supplements. The people that piss me off are the ones jacking the price up ripping people off ona a daily basis. Like GNC and other PHUCK HEAD sites. sorry for that, but I just get aggrivated when people are selling something and raise up the price without even knowing what the hell it is.. now that's shittty!
MrBrightside
Active member
If Prime was cheaper, I would be more inclined to take a chance on it. There's just too big of a chance of being a non-responder for a student to blow $55.
jsp0785
Well-known member
u realize gnc has more of an overhead than a website don't u? they have to pay employees gas and electric a lease, insurance and so on and so on. so i wouldn't be so quick to jump on the everyone who has a higher price crap.
b unit
Well-known member
what's my point? no company will ever come close to topping MT from the top spot of overzealous B.S marketing. You seem to think that usp now takes that crown but i beg to differ.
cheers
ChrisDono
Member
alot of my friends when they first heard about prime they were like I'm getting it then one person didnt like it becasue they got like 5 pounds in 4 weeks they were like its no good so about 5 or 6 people backed away from prime. im still using it first week fo my cycle and all. using prime pump and powerfull.
Bravoboy
Well-known member
I guess double yo triple cost up isn't too bad! Plus they do a good job of educating their employees of their merchandise! I'm not saying they don't have a right to make a livin it just amazes me everytime I walk in there! Which has only been twice in the past year!
Rugger
Well-known member
The only time I go on there is when they are having a BOGO on protein and it's during gold card week
Bravoboy
Well-known member
Agreed stores do have more of an overhead but their are a lot of websites out there that sell easily 50% to double other companys that have close to the same overhead!
The_Reverend
Active member
Taken right from their site - "USPlabs Prime™ Destroys Pro-Hormones & Pro-Steroids – Rendering Them Obsolete… And Allows For Rapid, Out-Of-This-World Strength & Size Gains - Without Suppression or Side Effects!"
Give me a break.
Mulletsoldier
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
Okay. You are officially relieved of your duties as martyr for one half-hour. As per AM.com regulations, this is not a payed break, and should not be included in your time card.
The_Reverend
Active member
What are you babbling about?
Mulletsoldier
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
It was a joke.
The_Reverend
Active member
Oh, duh. :rofl:
b unit
Well-known member
I have clearly stated i don't like their marketing either, what i am saying it's not worse than M.T's or biotest's for that matter, far from it, you seem to think otherwise so more power to you as we all have a right to our own opinions.
i did like prime however and would use it again if i had the necessary funds.
LatSpread
Active member
I would say the usp marketing is about as rediculous as MT's, but I also feel both have solid products (powerFULL and gakic respectively, are my favorites).
The thing I do like about MT, despite not buying any of their supps since they changed the Gakic formula, is the money they put into the IFBB.
jsp0785
Well-known member
gakic? u mean the mega dosed arginine for $75?
b unit
Well-known member
there's a reason they put so much money into the IFBB and it's not because they are generous and "love the "sport"
b unit
Well-known member
dude, it's what all the pro's use, it's the difference between one being a mr olympia and one from not being a mr olympia
LatSpread
Active member
naw gakic was the real deal when working in the 12-15 rep range, glycine pre or postWO is the real deal for less though.
The_Reverend
Active member
I respect your opinion. I'm also glad Prime worked for you unlike the many it didn't. It seems to be hit or miss from what I've read.
poopypants
Banned
many???? funny thing is the polls and threads/logs tip it in the opposite direction. It may not work as well for some as it does for others but there are hardly any complete non responders that Ive heard viable information from.I respect your opinion. I'm also glad Prime worked for you unlike the many it didn't. It seems to be hit or miss from what I've read.
The_Reverend
Active member
The word many is a general term chief. How do you perceive it? Maybe if you travel outside of this forum you'll read more about the non responders.
Bravoboy
Well-known member
I was a responder. Responder being a vague word in itself, as is many. How well someone responded seems more of what i mean. I responded well early on while taking it. muscles harder and fuller the first 2 weeks. after that I stayed with the dosage and then the feelings and gains seized. but never had any strength gains, which was odd. I should have upped the dose and i could have been a better run.
My curiosity is i wonder those that are nonresponders to prime, i wonder what else they don't respond well to. Possibly other test boosters or herbal testboosters along the lines of tribulus and etc...Might be a good thing for us to log sometime or research @ least.
My curiosity is i wonder those that are nonresponders to prime, i wonder what else they don't respond well to. Possibly other test boosters or herbal testboosters along the lines of tribulus and etc...Might be a good thing for us to log sometime or research @ least.
jsp0785
Well-known member
i'm pretty sure prime isn't a test booster
poopypants
Banned
can you get off your high horse "chief"???
I actually frequent about 6 boards, some which Im sure youve never heard of and never will as they are private and reserved for vets. Vets which realize that although not EVERY non hormonal is what it claims, some are still viable options and werent afraid to try and log Prime with GREAT results as well.
So again my post stands and I have yet to see more LOGS and detailed feedback and setting shown for non responders other then them saying "prime sucked" or just voting on a poll and not even offering ANY explanation. The only ones being Paul G who is an admitted non responder to MANY compounds, anabolic steroids included, and Stevo who is now running a detailed log of his second run with it as his initial beta tester run with it wasnt all that great.
Link me to the logs of all the guys that have their diets and routines down and are experienced lifters and loggers that ARENT getting even semi good results. Please enlighten me. :frustrate
The_Reverend
Active member
many != more
Look who's on their high horse now.
Look who's on their high horse now.
poopypants
Banned
you have yet to even justify your comment with solid feedback or links....
I could care less what you say I am NOW doing in response to your already rediculous and haughty comments, you elicited the response given and set the tone of the convo so the label still rests on YOUR shoulders.
Im waiting for your substantiated proof that Prime is bunk for MORE people then its good for..
I could care less what you say I am NOW doing in response to your already rediculous and haughty comments, you elicited the response given and set the tone of the convo so the label still rests on YOUR shoulders.
Im waiting for your substantiated proof that Prime is bunk for MORE people then its good for..
wideguy
Board Supporter
I ran prime during pct for 2 bottles and have to say at the dose reccomended it was not very impressive. Does that mean anything? Not really I was definetely shut down and expected not to be as strong or train with as much intensity as when I was on. However my workouts where decent and I noticed some difference, just prob not as much as where I not in pct. I will give it another run when the price comes down or it gets released in bulk bc I'm going to assume since I am on the larger size perhaps I will need a larger dose then reccomeneded and the price at that dose becomes prohibative for me and imo probably most people. I will say that I am continuously impressed with USP labs products. Yeah people bash their advertising but wtf do you expect?!! Research and development don't pay for themselves.
SeanyK
Member
just looking for a good answer to my question here.... is it unwise to stack 2 un-methylated compounds, such as adrenosterone (3ad) or 11-ketotestosterone (icon), stacked along with orastan-a (in my case furazadrol)? does stacking unmethylated compounds have any benefit greater than running them on their own?
poopypants
Banned
why are you asking this question in a totally unrelated thread bro?
Adrenosterone isnt in 3-AD either, thats 11-OXO. 3-AD is unmethylated 2-ENE and androsterone, or 5-DHEA.
Orastan A is not the same as Furaz either, although they have similar effects, they are not the exact same thing.
To end it all though Ya you can get an added benefit from stacking these compounds but since all with the exception of 2-ene, have very similar effects your much better off choosing one or the other and just dosing it at a generous dose, it would be much safer to do so.
If you want a synergistic effect and want to avoid methyls then look for an unmethylated wet compound like Max-LMG aka Revolt or something even like 19-Nor aka 4-Estra as its slightly wet in some people.
I ran prostan and methylated 2-ENE (phera plex) and the results were outstanding! the only side I experienced was lethargy... a lil stim and DHEA and that shouldnt be a problem.
good luck, and maybe make a new thread thats dedicated to your specific topic instead of throwin out a random post in a completely unrelated thread :thumbsup:
Adrenosterone isnt in 3-AD either, thats 11-OXO. 3-AD is unmethylated 2-ENE and androsterone, or 5-DHEA.
Orastan A is not the same as Furaz either, although they have similar effects, they are not the exact same thing.
To end it all though Ya you can get an added benefit from stacking these compounds but since all with the exception of 2-ene, have very similar effects your much better off choosing one or the other and just dosing it at a generous dose, it would be much safer to do so.
If you want a synergistic effect and want to avoid methyls then look for an unmethylated wet compound like Max-LMG aka Revolt or something even like 19-Nor aka 4-Estra as its slightly wet in some people.
I ran prostan and methylated 2-ENE (phera plex) and the results were outstanding! the only side I experienced was lethargy... a lil stim and DHEA and that shouldnt be a problem.
good luck, and maybe make a new thread thats dedicated to your specific topic instead of throwin out a random post in a completely unrelated thread :thumbsup:
poopypants
Banned
no prob man... ya just more likely to get someone to answer your question that way and get multiple view points.
Welcome to AM.com btw
Welcome to AM.com btw
rugrat5288
Member
Seanyk don't worry about it. the thread is way off my original question anyhow. never care about marketing or price just peioples results with the 2 products.