Let's get it rolling Brundel lol. Any info on this?
He has some stuff up his sleeve. I for one know a few but can't mention. Def something different than what's out thereAny update on the preworkout Brundel?
Caffeine is like 5$ a kilo or something like that. So if people want it they can buy in bulk. What I want to offer is something that you normally won't find. I'm working on a new Stim but it's hard to find new stims these days. I have some tricks up my sleeve though.Sorry I mean caffeine free. Which is nice so I can decide how much if any to add to it.
Will this pre workout come in form of a powder or capsules?Caffeine is like 5$ a kilo or something like that. So if people want it they can buy in bulk. What I want to offer is something that you normally won't find. I'm working on a new Stim but it's hard to find new stims these days. I have some tricks up my sleeve though.
Don't see why people would care about colour of capsules if it's more healthier option for them.Im not sure. I can tell you that it will likely taste Fn horrible.
Even if we try to mask it. THere are alot of ingredients. Some of which are very bitter or sour or just downright unpleasant.
So...we can make it a powder but itll take ALOT of sucralose or something to mask the taste.
I wouldnt add a dye unless it was absolutely necessary. With capsules people just cont like clear caps so....you get titanium dioxide or other dyes.
Im working on it. Again new stims are VERY hard to find. Testing one this weekend.i wouldn't care if it tastes like chit if its more potent than og craze i would embrace it lol
Ill certainly consider it.Don't see why people would care about colour of capsules if it's more healthier option for them.
Some natural brands even advertise their capsules to be all vegan and kosher and not containing any food dyes.
It's weird that same people that look for healthier lifestyle and fit body would prefer coloured capsules that contain toxic dyes hmm.
But OK what ever you decide it's OK - I for last 2 years open all capsules and don't care how ingredients taste but that product works.
I even open Incinderine capsules that taste bitter.
I thought the PWO you are working on was geared more toward an ergogenic (strength & endurance) boost? Or is it going to be a stim heavy PWO like the garbage Craze product others are mentioning?Im working on it. Again new stims are VERY hard to find. Testing one this weekend.
From a rare plant. Looks very promising its just hard to source.
If the stuff works though we will work on sourcing until I find it.
Even if I have to fly to the country of origin and source it myself.
lol no ergogen would out perform craze, because it contained an illegal stim. it dosen't get much better than stims for performance, and strength. i would buy craze over anything sold right now just because it worked. "oh its bad for you" "meth/10" pls goI thought the PWO you are working on was geared more toward an ergogenic (strength & endurance) boost? Or is it going to be a stim heavy PWO like the garbage Craze product others are mentioning?
Ima try that tomm ;-) haven't had the chance. The past two weeks have been sh!ty kids were very sick. SmhIm working on it. Again new stims are VERY hard to find. Testing one this weekend. From a rare plant. Looks very promising its just hard to source. If the stuff works though we will work on sourcing until I find it. Even if I have to fly to the country of origin and source it myself.
LOL at no ergogenic would out perform Craze. That sh1t just leaves me feeling cracked out and actually hurt my performance on a number of occasions. Give me -epi, Amentoflavone, creatine, CM, COP, agmatine & beta alanine and your cracked out Craze wouldn't come close to providing the strength & endurance boost.lol no ergogen would out perform craze, because it contained an illegal stim. it dosen't get much better than stims for performance, and strength. i would buy craze over anything sold right now just because it worked. "oh its bad for you" "meth/10" pls go
It will NOT be just a stim package.I thought the PWO you are working on was geared more toward an ergogenic (strength & endurance) boost? Or is it going to be a stim heavy PWO like the garbage Craze product others are mentioning?
Everyone liked craze but it was a meth analogue. IM not gonna scold people about taking things like that but I will say that I wont use such things because its HIGHLY illegal. I cant afford the law suits and jail time and negative branding. Just not worth it. Some companies make their money doing pretty much illegal ****. Im not looking to be one of them. I think we can make something with a big enough hit though. Stay tuned. Im working hard on this.lol no ergogen would out perform craze, because it contained an illegal stim. it dosen't get much better than stims for performance, and strength. i would buy craze over anything sold right now just because it worked. "oh its bad for you" "meth/10" pls go
Take your time with it brother. Let me know how things go each time you try it.Ima try that tomm ;-) haven't had the chance. The past two weeks have been sh!ty kids were very sick. Smh
Endurance.x10Brundel what effects can we expect Form your New pre?More strength/reps,better pumps?More focus?
if you ever need a beta tester il play guinea pig for this. plus im sick of frenzy/ (amp citrate) all pre's atm. surprisingly haven't gained tolerance at all to it for 8 weeks straight use now. but gradually it's gotten less effective but was never that amazing. i miss being able to lift for like 4 hours straight with tunnel vision lol wanting to do every exercise i felt like for which ever bodypart i was doing.Im working on it. Again new stims are VERY hard to find. Testing one this weekend.
From a rare plant. Looks very promising its just hard to source.
If the stuff works though we will work on sourcing until I find it.
Even if I have to fly to the country of origin and source it myself.
I have tried everything you just listed pre workout. and more. all of them don't out perform craze lol. infact have used it with all of those to. but just saying everyone responds differently, i personally always got the most out of it even at 1 scoop and 45 serves made it very cost effective for what i got from it. and all those ergogens are not going beat it cost wise in the long term.LOL at no ergogenic would out perform Craze. That sh1t just leaves me feeling cracked out and actually hurt my performance on a number of occasions. Give me -epi, Amentoflavone, creatine, CM, COP, agmatine & beta alanine and your cracked out Craze wouldn't come close to providing the strength & endurance boost.
We have 5 products in testing so we will be needing testers.if you ever need a beta tester il play guinea pig for this. plus im sick of frenzy/ (amp citrate) all pre's atm. surprisingly haven't gained tolerance at all to it for 8 weeks straight use now. but gradually it's gotten less effective but was never that amazing. i miss being able to lift for like 4 hours straight with tunnel vision lol wanting to do every exercise i felt like for which ever bodypart i was doing.
I have tried everything you just listed pre workout. and more. all of them don't out perform craze lol. infact have used it with all of those to. but just saying everyone responds differently, i personally always got the most out of it even at 1 scoop and 45 serves made it very cost effective for what i got from it. and all those ergogens are not going beat it cost wise in the long term.
Im working on it hard everyday. One of the ingredients I want to use is very rare and may take months to make or we have to make a derivative because the stuff is 100000$ a kg lol. Literally.bumping to see if theres any news on how the pre is coming along BLR folks.
also, might as well take a shot at part of the novel stim blend, my guess: a form of kratom strain/alkaloid.
how did i do?
inb4 wrong.
inb4 wouldnt say even if i wasnt wrong.
just source it lol. Usplabs and ds made hand over fist once their pres took off. No but in all honesty I hope you guys get one out and I hope it's like nothing else out there.Im working on it hard everyday. One of the ingredients I want to use is very rare and may take months to make or we have to make a derivative because the stuff is 100000$ a kg lol. Literally. We can make a derivative but its gonna take some time, or, I have to go another route. Working on it. We are not using anything related to kratom
If you look around youll notice preworkout supps are pretty much all the same. Not much change in many years. Its basically about who can put the strongest stimulant drug in their product. Then there are all these new questionable stimulants that china is pushing. Ultimately we need a change. My opinion is companies should be focused on how to improve performance not the best way to get you high. I know people like things like that but frankly who wouldnt like the feeling of a narcotic stimulant. Most do hence all the drug addicts worldwide.just source it lol. Usplabs and ds made hand over fist once their pres took off. No but in all honesty I hope you guys get one out and I hope it's like nothing else out there.
Im really excited. performance and energy and how you feel is all that matters in a pre, i for sure don't want to feel cracked out, the way i felt on craze was more like hyper euphoric type energy to where every set i wanted to fist pump after and break a PR. and it had the focus to it. not like a huge energy rush of big dose of caffeine and 1,3 dmma or yohimbine where the energy was dirty to the point you couldn't focus and you ended up just doing everything in a rush without any control or thought to it.We have 5 products in testing so we will be needing testers.
The Pre has more than one new ingredient that nobody has ever used. This takes alot of testing to be certain it does what we want.
So we will be testing in phases.
Say we have components
1
2
3
4
5
We will test each solo for effect, strength and to assess dose requirements.
Then we will combine and test as one.
Understand that we will not be able to tell testers what they are taking.
With regards to stimulants we are still uncertain which direction we are going to go. Testing several things.
The goal is not to make it like a meth analogue (craze)
The goal is to give you the absolute best increase in performance possible.
Ive tried several things. Keep in mind that many stimulants are vasoconstrictors which are the opposite of what we want in a pre workout supp. Companies include them because people like the stimulant feeling and well if your all cracked out you may train harder, however, this is not necessarily good because it restricts nutrient and hormone delivery as well as oxygen.
Also as a side note our PWO is also anabolic We have a novel ingredient (EVERYONE is going to be surprised at this one)
I agree. I would love to see something totally new (As long as it still packs a nice punch) and I look forward to the updatesIm trying to take a new approach to an old problem. Trying to look at it from a different angle and as a result create something that is not only unique and fresh but also will be far superior to anything else created thus far.
thats insane. brb 100 dollar a month pre workout, lol i imagine it would be a micro dose to limit costs. i wont be buying any pres for a couple months anyways so im not rushing, just keen on tid bits you care to share since youre trying to do something different. was reading about people taking different strains of kratom pre and made me think of some off the wall schit you might put into it. have you have messed around with white vein kratom or any of the more stimulating ones?Im working on it hard everyday. One of the ingredients I want to use is very rare and may take months to make or we have to make a derivative because the stuff is 100000$ a kg lol. Literally.
We can make a derivative but its gonna take some time, or, I have to go another route. Working on it.
We are not using anything related to kratom
Referring to what stimulants, exactly?We have 5 products in testing so we will be needing testers.
The Pre has more than one new ingredient that nobody has ever used. This takes alot of testing to be certain it does what we want.
So we will be testing in phases.
Say we have components
1
2
3
4
5
We will test each solo for effect, strength and to assess dose requirements.
Then we will combine and test as one.
Understand that we will not be able to tell testers what they are taking.
With regards to stimulants we are still uncertain which direction we are going to go. Testing several things.
The goal is not to make it like a meth analogue (craze)
The goal is to give you the absolute best increase in performance possible.
Ive tried several things. Keep in mind that many stimulants are vasoconstrictors which are the opposite of what we want in a pre workout supp. Companies include them because people like the stimulant feeling and well if your all cracked out you may train harder, however, this is not necessarily good because it restricts nutrient and hormone delivery as well as oxygen.
Also as a side note our PWO is also anabolic We have a novel ingredient (EVERYONE is going to be surprised at this one)
Caffeine will be in the pre but not necessarily as a stimulant or not for that purpose. (more on that later)Referring to what stimulants, exactly?
Are the ones you're referring vasoconstrictors in all tissues, or only certain tissues? Because that makes a huge difference.
I know caffeine is both a vasodilator and vasoconstrictor, depending on which tissues you're talking about.
White Vein, Green Vein and Maeng-Da Kratom strains all work great in conjunction with a pre-workout or alone. Good stuff!thats insane. brb 100 dollar a month pre workout, lol i imagine it would be a micro dose to limit costs. i wont be buying any pres for a couple months anyways so im not rushing, just keen on tid bits you care to share since youre trying to do something different. was reading about people taking different strains of kratom pre and made me think of some off the wall schit you might put into it. have you have messed around with white vein kratom or any of the more stimulating ones?
also as far as vaso restricters, isnt that balanced out somewhat with the addition of vasodialators like citrulline, nitrates ect? but i suppose your intention is more to maximize performance rather than balancing out one with another.
would love to be a tester on your pre, but im so carb depleted right now, i wouldnt be able to give a fair assessment on endurance/pumps.
You have my word this will be the best pre in existance. Period.Super excited for this. I keep logging in to check on the status of your pre brundel!
I haven't had a preworkout blow me away since the original jack3d and even that fizzled off after a little bit.
Right now I've only average pre workouts.. Hoping that this new, different, preworkout will have what I've been wanting. Sounds more than promising.
how do you think tolerance will be, as long as its good for 6-8 weeks before a soild break would be alright. amp citrate pre's die after 2-4 days lolYou have my word this will be the best pre in existance. Period.
It change the way companies formulate pres.
For certain this product will get progressively stronger and more effective over time. Acute effects but also effects that take a few days to a week or so to start really working st max capacity. This is again not like any other pre. Different ingredients, different goals. No amp.how do you think tolerance will be, as long as its good for 6-8 weeks before a soild break would be alright. amp citrate pre's die after 2-4 days lol
awesome sounds innovative, glad to see something targeting pre's from a new angle. always wanted a product that you could run consistently with gradual improved effects even if it still has to be cycled that would be great unlike other where it gradually declines over time even after 5 days or so, i could think of it being like a week or so of epic stim + performance, then the weeks after less stim > but more strength and endurance build up coming via the other ingredients, then increase your dose slightly to keep the main stimulant working well, even at 3-4 days use per week then take your stim break as usual.For certain this product will get progressively stronger and more effective over time. Acute effects but also effects that take a few days to a week or so to start really working st max capacity. This is again not like any other pre. Different ingredients, different goals. No amp.
It will be mildly anabolic and i would throw it in the ring with anything as a performance enhancer.
Its not just stims.
Its not modeled after anyone elses product.
It has a different moa than anything else.
A whole new bag brother and one thing i know...consumers will love it and competitors are gonna hate it...or try to clone it.
Either way this will be the top dog pre is my honest assessment.
hell. ya. That is all.Man I wish I could just tell you everything.....
This is the culmination of years of work in this product.
I gave 2 of 13 ingredients to testers recently and they all said it was a great pre...Missing 90% of the ingredients. Literally we were just testing one ingredient plus I added a little caffeine. ****s gonna get real bro.
all kinds of novel and interesting ingredients....I cant wait.....
me either! Any eta or even approximation? stoked about this.Man I wish I could just tell you everything..... This is the culmination of years of work in this product. I gave 2 of 13 ingredients to testers recently and they all said it was a great pre...Missing 90% of the ingredients. Literally we were just testing one ingredient plus I added a little caffeine. ****s gonna get real bro. all kinds of novel and interesting ingredients....I cant wait.....
90% of the formula should be ready for testing in about 2 weeks.me either! Any eta or even approximation? stoked about this.