Pplex is disappointing me...

the probability of it being bad is very low. If you haven't run Superdrol before, then all I can say is ENJOY.
 
I can say that even with good Phera, I definitely prefer Super. More strength, cleaner/drier mass, and minimal sides (at least for me). And Phera gives me way more lethargy than Super. So I hope your Super cycle is much more effective than your crappy Phera cycle. Good luck.
 
Problem said:
So if you're right about the whole process of shipping and degrading ingredients then why do people even bother buying supplements if this will happen. I don't think that's possible.

the scale went up 2lbs and i'm not noticing extra fat. Which means? 2 LBM ;) anyway this is not my point.
I don't notice any strength gains which people have sworen of pplex and its MASSIVE strength gains. WHERE IS IT? I'M EXPERIENCING NOTHING.
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If its not possible they wouldn't recommend certain storage protocol's.

If your 5'9 195 with abs, that would be like me being 235 with abs, if you use the general rule of 10lbs per inch in height as comparison. Theres a certain weight that you can attain before you body starts too fight you, and you might have found it. And the kid in that thread, monsterbox, he has gained most of his muscle in the last year, 75% of it from steroids, and he's now wondering why he cant gain another 10-15lbs.....

P-Plex is a steroid, unless you can show me a medical report of a "non-responder" to DMT, I have hard time believing it.

Now to make this clear, I have no vested interest in CEL or P-Plex. All I am trying to do is provide prospective, that is all.
 
He's not claiming to be a "non-responder." He's claiming that his Phera isn't actually Phera.
 
futurepilot said:
If its not possible they wouldn't recommend certain storage protocol's.

If your 5'9 195 with abs, that would be like me being 235 with abs, if you use the general rule of 10lbs per inch in height as comparison. Theres a certain weight that you can attain before you body starts too fight you, and you might have found it. And the kid in that thread, monsterbox, he has gained most of his muscle in the last year, 75% of it from steroids, and he's now wondering why he cant gain another 10-15lbs.....

P-Plex is a steroid, unless you can show me a medical report of a "non-responder" to DMT, I have hard time believing it.

Now to make this clear, I have no vested interest in CEL or P-Plex. All I am trying to do is provide prospective, that is all.
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It's CEL's fault if they can't even have a good storage protocol, not the consumer.

Oowww, too much assumptions here. I think you should read the thread before typing.

Are you saying that i reached the top level of my weight? I can't grow no more? (kinda lost me here)

Who said i achieved this LBM with steroids?

And i never said i was a non-responder. I said it's BUNK.

And if you're right about "body fighting you" then how did ronnie get to 280 lbs of LBM?

He did it naturally? hm ?


P.S. all i did is 2 cycles before.

Epi and i gained 6 lbs and good strength
tren/hdrol gained 15lbs (it was a cycle after a cut which i dropped to 180lbs from 195)
 
ImJ2x said:
I can say that even with good Phera, I definitely prefer Super. More strength, cleaner/drier mass, and minimal sides (at least for me). And Phera gives me way more lethargy than Super. So I hope your Super cycle is much more effective than your crappy Phera cycle. Good luck.
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Lets see how this cycle goes... thanks dude.
 
Problem said:
LOL, i understand, but all i can do is change my avater to show my physique, that would prolly show kind of proof?
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:) better :D But too, i'd have to guess that the way you've eaten the last 6 months isn't the same as you were eating 2 years ago (just due to adding size) so things change as our bodies do as well.
 
Problem said:
1Are you saying that i reached the top level of my weight? I can't grow no more? (kinda lost me here)

2Who said i achieved this LBM with steroids?

3And i never said i was a non-responder. I said it's BUNK.

4And if you're right about "body fighting you" then how did ronnie get to 280 lbs of LBM?
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1Its possible, your only running DS orals, for 4-6 wks, not exactly hardcore stuff.

2Nobody

3 If CEL says it tests out, I highly doubt its bunk. Especially since they have 2 different labs check their stuff before its capped. And why would they sell bunk gear, doesnt really make much business sense to me.

4 2-3G's of test a week + GH + insulin + whatever new stuff he has access too that us regular joes will see 5-10yrs down the line. Read: gene doping (Chinese olympic team).
 
futurepilot said:
1Its possible, your only running DS orals, for 4-6 wks, not exactly hardcore stuff.

2Nobody

3 If CEL says it tests out, I highly doubt its bunk. Especially since they have 2 different labs check their stuff before its capped. And why would they sell bunk gear, doesnt really make much business sense to me.

4 2-3G's of test a week + GH + insulin + whatever new stuff he has access too that us regular joes will see 5-10yrs down the line. Read: gene doping (Chinese olympic team).
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wait, you guys sayin ronnie isn't all natural? :D he's probably got some working myostatin inhibitors, plus ostarine
 
futurepilot said:
1Its possible, your only running DS orals, for 4-6 wks, not exactly hardcore stuff.

2Nobody

3 If CEL says it tests out, I highly doubt its bunk. Especially since they have 2 different labs check their stuff before its capped. And why would they sell bunk gear, doesnt really make much business sense to me.

4 2-3G's of test a week + GH + insulin + whatever new stuff he has access too that us regular joes will see 5-10yrs down the line. Read: gene doping (Chinese olympic team).
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It doesn't matter if CEL tested out their stuff. There's many cases with m-drol and pplex batches been discussed over here and other boards. They all lieing? Somthing is prolly going on. (no offence to CEL)

I disagree with you that my weight or LBM has anything to do with my not responding because "my body is fighting back." That makes no sense.

Everything actually will clear up after 3 weeks of my mdrol bridging cycle which i just started, lets see if your hypotheses is valid.

Thanks for your input in this thread. Nothing against you.
 
ImJ2x said:
Once again, Easy, you're like 10 feet over my head. myo osta huh?
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its what makes them look like that :D myostatin is effectively part of your body's natural negative feedback loops that tells your body "you have enough muscle" and slows down muscle gain.

Flex Wheeler has a natural myostatin deficiency, so do some other guys like this dude

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EasyEJL said:
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its what makes them look like that :D myostatin is effectively part of your body's natural negative feedback loops that tells your body "you have enough muscle" and slows down muscle gain.

Flex Wheeler has a natural myostatin deficiency, so do some other guys like this dude

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That kid's awesome, lol.
Can I adopt him?
 
EasyEJL said:
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its what makes them look like that :D myostatin is effectively part of your body's natural negative feedback loops that tells your body "you have enough muscle" and slows down muscle gain.

Flex Wheeler has a natural myostatin deficiency, so do some other guys like this dude

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how do you know little hercules had that defeciency? ive never heard of it in health humans, id like to know if that is true because everyone knows he had that physique from steroids.
EasyEJL said:
he's actually looking much lamer as he got older, his early fame spoiled him
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no it didnt spoil him and thats not how he looks fat nowdays, its because his father was watched closer from his fame and couldnt give him steroids anymore.
 
pistonpump said:
how do you know little hercules had that defeciency? ive never heard of it in health humans, id like to know if that is true because everyone knows he had that physique from steroids.

no it didnt spoil him and thats not how he looks fat nowdays, its because his father was watched closer from his fame and couldnt give him steroids anymore.
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well, I never heard it was steroids, but who knows. Flex Wheeler was tested for and shows no myostatin production... that doesn't mean he didn't need gear to get to his size, he took plenty. but he started with a natural advantage as well
 
EasyEJL said:
well, I never heard it was steroids, but who knows. Flex Wheeler was tested for and shows no myostatin production... that doesn't mean he didn't need gear to get to his size, he took plenty. but he started with a natural advantage as well
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so you are speaking out of you ass then? and flex not having myostatin production is the biggest load of sh1t ive heard today, there is no way, he would be way wayyyy wayyyyy bigger, not to mention he would probably be dead right now. And yes the boy was on steroids, the dad would mix some powder in his shakes every day, and it wasnt protien! His face at a young age is that of someone with high androgen levels, very masculine at such a young age i doubt it when his nuts didnt even drop yet.
 
pistonpump said:
so you are speaking out of you ass then? and flex not having myostatin production is the biggest load of sh1t ive heard today, there is no way, he would be way wayyyy wayyyyy bigger, not to mention he would probably be dead right now. And yes the boy was on steroids, the dad would mix some powder in his shakes every day, and it wasnt protien! His face at a young age is that of someone with high androgen levels, very masculine at such a young age i doubt it when his nuts didnt even drop yet.
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not any more than you are speaking out yours :D Cause i'm pretty sure you didn't watch the dad feed him juice or test wheeler's DNA yourself :D

all I got is from what I can read

The German Super Baby
Superman Lives
Why he is so strong


Superman Lives

In 1999, a former professional sprinter gave birth to a bouncing baby boy in Berlin, Germany. For the past 4 years the baby boy has had a somewhat normal life - that is until researchers found out about him.

Researchers are not releasing much information and the family wishes to remain private. What they will say is that the boy is able to hold weights weighing nearly 10 pounds out to his side with his arms completely extended. Most adults have trouble doing this with half that weight. At 4 years old, the boy is extremely muscular displaying bulging calves and biceps. His muscle mass is twice that of normal 4 year old children and his fat content one half as much. He is as near a perfect specimen of man as you can possibly get.

Why he is so strong

Researchers have explained that the superhuman strength is the result of a mutated gene that is intended to restrict the production of myostatin. Myostatin, in the human body, limits the growth of muscles. In rare cases, one copy may be mutated producing extremely powerfully built people. The boys mother, father, uncle, and 3 other close relatives all have mutated copies and are know to be very muscular and extremely strong. In the boys case, it is even stranger - he has both copies of the DNA segment mutated, something scientists have never seen before. The result - a human that may grow to enormous proportions with the ability to lift extreme amounts of weight and possibly run faster than any human to date.

Researchers had already known that myostatin restricts muscle growth and knew that drugs limiting its production would produce super mice. Such super mice had been created in early 1997. Researchers are happy to report that the boy is perfectly healthy right now but fear that he may suffer heart or other ailments as he grows older.
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and there are a few statements out there about flex having been tested for myostatin.
 
EasyEJL said:
not any more than you are speaking out yours :D Cause i'm pretty sure you didn't watch the dad feed him juice or test wheeler's DNA yourself :D

all I got is from what I can read



and there are a few statements out there about flex having been tested for myostatin.
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no i didnt see the dad do it but the dad said so himself. I watched it on howard stern and there was home video of him giving the boy glasses to drink every morning. So how am i talking out of my ass, my assumptions are educated and you are just saying he has inhibited myostatin which was never mentioned about that boy. Why does the boy have gyno now and if this was the case he would still be in shape just due to his genetics. He was on steroids the father was hated by many for it.

I am aware of the boy in germany and a few other cases, very very rare but it is not the boy you posted a pic of and it does not prove anything about flex wheeler. Show me concrete evidence or something good that would justify the statement that you made about flex wheeler. Sounds like a bb tall tale to me.
 
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