wastedwhiteboy2
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just go with whichever forum you trust more. ALRI said its the same and that is that for me.bumCakes said:
Post your E...max Results so far...
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JonasDavidsson
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But if someboy tests it and i turns out ok,there is nothing to worry about and everything is just great.bhetter that many tests it an say its the same and to stop this discussion than keep it up for years.wastedwhiteboy2 said:
JonasDavidsson
Member
Alri is history if it turns out that it isnt the same.
iwannagetbig
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They guy is a business man. Do you really think he has not thought about this. Tell the kids a BB.Com to get their Diet and Training in check and then maybe, just maybe, they will see some added results from E...Max LMG.JonasDavidsson said:
not_big_enuf
Registered User
amen. anybody hear really think ALRI is stupid enough to put out the same product again, but lie about it and have it be different? holy shyate... i don't think so man. i'll back ALR until it's proven otherwise. honesty and integrity is my policy and until ALRI shows anything otherwise, i'll continue to trust their products and words.
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cpa5oh
Member
To follow up to this...day 7 I'm up a total of 5 lbs. (don't really want big weight increases...interested primarily in strength) and I had a PHENOMENAL workout just now. Everything went up at least a rep...bench press went from 265x7 last workout to 265x10 with probably a few extra reps in the tank (at least one)...for me that's at least a 10 lb. increase in that exercise. I've never experienced that dramatic a strength gain in one workout...so I have no idea...it's ON.cpa5oh said:
JonasDavidsson
Member
that sounds great!cpa5oh said:
diamonddave
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Sounds great! Are you taking the "new" e...max or some from the older runs?cpa5oh said:
Thanks,
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SilentScream27
Member
he's using e...max, if I'm not mistaken. If a few more reports like this happen, and cpa5oh continues with the ergomax-like results, we may be able to put our fears at ease. I would still like to see how the other e...max users who were having "different" results progress as their cycles go on.diamonddave said:
diamonddave
Board Supporter
Cool, thanks. I just got some of that in the mail, but won't be using it for a little while. I'm glad to see your impressive results.cpa5oh said:
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stinkfinger
Member
When did you finish your Max LMG cycle cpa50h?
stinkfinger
Member
Nevermind. Wow you ran a 9 week Max LMG cycle ending the end of June and now are a week into Emax. Be careful.
fightinirish
New member
I'm on Day 9 of my E...max cycle (first prohormone cycle), and the strength gains have been very noticeable almost immediately and weight is up 9lbs. Been doing a dirty bulk and following more of a powerbuilding style routine. Despite the amount of unclean calories, I haven't gained any noticeable fat as of yet, so gains are obviously lean along with water weight. By the way im an ecto.
jayrebb617
New member
Wow. All I can say is I have 3 bottles of E...Max sitting here that I wish I never purchased.
Reports are coming in like wild fire that this could be bunk. No one is accusing L. Rea of anything. If the raw material is bunk, its out of his control. I just hope PA pulls through with some good results so I can rest easy. From what im reading and hearing, I am quite worried.
Ill say it again, Author would NOT know if E...Max was bunk. Every one of you is ignorant for arguing over this. Nobody knows right now. The only thing people know is that personal user reports are NOT looking good. We'll see what happens after the testing is completed. I am hoping for good news like the rest of you.
Reports are coming in like wild fire that this could be bunk. No one is accusing L. Rea of anything. If the raw material is bunk, its out of his control. I just hope PA pulls through with some good results so I can rest easy. From what im reading and hearing, I am quite worried.
Ill say it again, Author would NOT know if E...Max was bunk. Every one of you is ignorant for arguing over this. Nobody knows right now. The only thing people know is that personal user reports are NOT looking good. We'll see what happens after the testing is completed. I am hoping for good news like the rest of you.
jayrebb617
New member
milwood said:
It ends when we see a CoA or lab report on this product.
Fair and simple enough.
natiels
Board Supporter
It ends when you stop believing everyone who runs around screaming that the sky is falling. This really seems to have all mainly developed from one person's post. The exact same thing happened on the "second run" of superdrol. One guy posted that he wasnt responding and everyone went nutso saying the whole run was bunk.jayrebb617 said:
If you have done any research on ergomax (as you should have if you plan on taking it) you will see that there are plenty of folks who did not see results until the 3rd and 4th weeks of their cycles.
Oh, and as ALR already stated, 3 different chemists tested the original formula and came up with 3 different results that were all wrong so I don't think your are going to get much of a reliable answer there.
jcam222
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To clarify up front I am NOT suggesting there is an issue of any kind here. I bought two bottles of the new batch to stash away. Of all the things I have seen posted though this one does need some clarification. I think A. Rea was probably just trying to clear this up and can explain what he meant. I have to say that as written the switching to old bottle has added to most peoples confusion.pu12en12g said:
Cheezefacta
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Its just shady response #56....no need to get worriedpu12en12g said:
thanatopsis
Member
I'm really interested in what is going on here, I'm about to start a cycle using E...Max and I'd hate to waste my second cycle and see nothing. If no lab reports surface by then I'm going to give it a go and I am keeping a log, never before used Ergomax -- only 3 weeks of SD under my belt.
steve_81
Member
Just giving a quick update on my friend's E...Max cycle as I just seen him at the gym a while ago. Well, he is on his 13th day of the cycle and his weight still has not moved since the last update. In other words, in 13 days of E...Max he has put on 1 pound of bodyweight. Everything else is still the same, great pumps, horny all the time, and some strength gain, but nothing spectacular or overwhelming. He bumped the dosage up to 30 mg a day a couple of days ago, so we will see how that goes. So far he has been pretty disappointed, mainly because I hyped the product up to him and promised him awesome strength and weight gain. I tried to tell him its still early, but the cycle is almost half way through, so I can't use that excuse any longer. Once again, he has never taken E...Max, or Ergomax before. He has not been on any anabolics whatsoever for 6 months, so that is not to be blamed. Maybe the last 17 days at 30 mg a day will make a difference, but all I know is, I kept the original Ergomax at 20 mg a day for the entire 30 day cycle with no need to bump it up to 30 mg a day.40-yard dash_2 said:
size
Well-known member
40-yard dash_2 said:
What has his calorie intake been in comparison to before?
I had a mate who used the original Ergomax LMG for 30days(1 bottle) and only netted 4-5lbs. However, his strength increased quite a bit. After the first 2 weeks he complained that he was not gaining weight. I encouraged him to increase calories and over the remaining period he gained the 4-5pounds. Still, one should keep in mind that not everyone responds well to all substances.
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size
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Sometimes, I feel as though many expect far too much from a supplement. In the end, a supplement is simply a supplement and it will only take you so far if one's diet and training is not in place.
Think about this, on E...Max or any other supplement, if one gains only 5 pounds in 1 month and could maintain that rate over the course of a year, one would be 60 pounds heavier at the end of the year. Now consider the time cut in half to only 6 months at 5 pounds during each month, one would gain 30 pounds in one year. How many people do you honestly know who gain anywhere near 30-60 pounds of lean mass in 1 year? I know individuals who use AAS for 4 to 6 months yearly and do not gain 30-60 pounds.
So in my opinion, a gain of 3-5 of LBM in 1 month is a great gain. Now go and have a pint. :cheers:
Think about this, on E...Max or any other supplement, if one gains only 5 pounds in 1 month and could maintain that rate over the course of a year, one would be 60 pounds heavier at the end of the year. Now consider the time cut in half to only 6 months at 5 pounds during each month, one would gain 30 pounds in one year. How many people do you honestly know who gain anywhere near 30-60 pounds of lean mass in 1 year? I know individuals who use AAS for 4 to 6 months yearly and do not gain 30-60 pounds.
So in my opinion, a gain of 3-5 of LBM in 1 month is a great gain. Now go and have a pint. :cheers:
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
JonasDavidsson said:
Hmm...Day 6 and no gains...Well here is your log over at bb.com
"Did leggs today,great workout session,it has been great since i started this cycle,my mood and motivation is exellent!
Strenght is way up,i know that now fore sure.did pb in squat and legg presses.Leggs is my worst body part and i have never put in enough effort in it but now it is fun!My diet is ok,havent been cheating alott but there has been some coka cola and a little amount of candy one time,nothing mutch,i hade one mac chicken at macdonalds once.My ordinary diet is built upon fish and alott of chicken,oatmeal and protein shakes,pasta and potatoes.My maintance intake is about 1800 and my intake right now is about 2500 to 2800 calories.I will weigh myself after 7 days(friday) and see how i am doing.When i look in the mirror i think i look good and maybe a little bit bigger.My arms is very sore so tomorrow i will have a off day,maybe,i say maybe i will do some cardio and some abs,i have done olmost no cardio lately.not good!But this is a bulking cycle and first things first.."
Hmm...Mcdonals and candy....
Day 8
"Weight: start 77kg Current weight 79,5 weigt gain 2,5kg or 5,4lbs
weist: start 88,9mm current 88,9mm
I did weigh my selfe at 10.00 before breakfast,same time as last week.
I think i look bigger an starting to feel stronger in the gym.I think this is pretty ok for one week.I will do back today and report back after the workout.Feel free to ask any questions if their is somebody even reading this."
Hmm...5.4lbs in 2 days.
JimMorrison=JonasDavidsson
My suggestion, stop eating Mcdonals and candy and you might actually get something out of it.
Oh I forgot you were aking all this as well:
My supplement during cycle is:
E...max: 10/10/10/10
Max lmg:25/25/25/25
Prostanozol:25/25/25/25
Amp
Ast multi
ON whey 100%
ON After max gainer
Eiselt Protec (kassein)
omega-3
Ala
L-Cysteine
Super odorless garlic
Mega CoQ10
Chromium picolinate
Red yest rice (with milk thistle,I will be taking mt at 420mg aday)
have some bulk cee,dot know if i will use it during cycle
Does this seem a bit strange to anyone? Fuuny how many of the new members in this thread have mutiple names with the same IP.
Ghosting
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Why is everything based off of weight? BF could be going down while LBM could be increasing, the scale doesnt show that. I thought people who lifted were semi-knowledgeable about the basics. 
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
size said:
And if he isn't gaining anything at all, then his diet defeintly isn't right because he should be gaining regardless of whatever substance he is on.
Ghosting
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SilentScream27
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That may be true, but it is easier to gain weight on an androgen that not on one, if you eat the exact same thing. Siimilarly, you could house 5000 calories with a strong PPAR-alpha agonist and not gain much of anything, while with the exact same diet/training on Ergo you'd gain 10 lbs in a similar time period.Bobo said:
I think he said that his friend was 1000 cals over maintenance, and has several AAS cycles under his belt.
stalemate
New member
40 stated on the first page that his friend was taking in 4500-5000 cals/day. sounds like enough to me, so long as they are indeed clean foods.
Bobo you make a good point about if someone's diet is in check, they should be gaining regardless, that is why i am unimpressed with someone who tells me that i should not be down on the product since i have gained 2 lbs. and lost 1.5ish % BF. 2 lbs in 2 weeks for me lately is not that big of a deal, it's normal. the BF% drop is either from the totally clean foods i'm eating and/or the sesathin intake of 1.5mL/day. i have decreased normal cardio for this cycle and now upped the dose to 30mg/day. i'm taking in 4200-4400 cals/day and my maintenance is around 3400. so a pound a week is fine, w/o LMG, which i've said before. i would really think someone would want to throw some numbers in my face for doubting. if the product is indeed 100% legit, than i would be a good example of the desensitization effect from this product.
on the other hand 40 yard is proof that the desensitization is not really there repeating a cycle with the old bottle of ErgoMAX LMG.
Bobo you make a good point about if someone's diet is in check, they should be gaining regardless, that is why i am unimpressed with someone who tells me that i should not be down on the product since i have gained 2 lbs. and lost 1.5ish % BF. 2 lbs in 2 weeks for me lately is not that big of a deal, it's normal. the BF% drop is either from the totally clean foods i'm eating and/or the sesathin intake of 1.5mL/day. i have decreased normal cardio for this cycle and now upped the dose to 30mg/day. i'm taking in 4200-4400 cals/day and my maintenance is around 3400. so a pound a week is fine, w/o LMG, which i've said before. i would really think someone would want to throw some numbers in my face for doubting. if the product is indeed 100% legit, than i would be a good example of the desensitization effect from this product.
on the other hand 40 yard is proof that the desensitization is not really there repeating a cycle with the old bottle of ErgoMAX LMG.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
Then somone post his diet.
Taking androgens doesn't break the laws of thermodynamics. If he is taking 1000 calories over maintenance, he should be gaining SOMETHING and no PPAR-AA is going to negate those effects.
Its so funny that people will dismiss those that are having positive results but a report from a "friend" is taken more serisously.
People aren't happy with 5lbs per week? **** its not even muscle anyway its most likely intramuscular water retention from increased aldosterone production. Depending on body strucutre and weight that could anywhere from 3 to 10lbs!
How many logs are on here with people that didn't get results form M1T? Quite a bit.
I remember Dante at Avant took 70-80mg and he didn't much in terms of results. So is M1T bunk?
Taking androgens doesn't break the laws of thermodynamics. If he is taking 1000 calories over maintenance, he should be gaining SOMETHING and no PPAR-AA is going to negate those effects.
Its so funny that people will dismiss those that are having positive results but a report from a "friend" is taken more serisously.
People aren't happy with 5lbs per week? **** its not even muscle anyway its most likely intramuscular water retention from increased aldosterone production. Depending on body strucutre and weight that could anywhere from 3 to 10lbs!
How many logs are on here with people that didn't get results form M1T? Quite a bit.
I remember Dante at Avant took 70-80mg and he didn't much in terms of results. So is M1T bunk?
Ghosting
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40-yard dash_2 said:
Androgens or not, you cant make gains on a calorie deficit. Tissue isnt created out of thin air.size
Well-known member
stalemate said:
You must be a freak if you can gain 1 pound a week while decreasing bf naturally. So in one year, one could expect you to be 52 pounds heavier with the same or lower body fat%?
Regardless of ALRI products and supplements in general, but I am shocked by some of the statements being made in this thread. :think:
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
40-yard dash_2 said:
You gained 8lbs of water and the effects of androgen stimulation on aldosterone production decreases the more you take.
I just don't understand how people can criticize a substance when people are actually gaining off it. THen they say its the same because of a differnence in libido? **** I have different effects everytime I take Test. If the results were the same everytime I would be a 300lb monster right now since I gained 18lbs off my first cycle eons ago. Hormone and their effect don't work in a linnear fahsion.
The effects on libido only prove once again that its highly individualized and can easily change from cycle to cycle. The effects of androgens can last 6, 12, 18 months down the road. All you have to do is check the studies on recovery form various SERMS to find out that its not 4-6 weeks and your done. The effects can last a LONG time.
People can question the validity all day long but look to where you are basing your opinions on. I have already show how inconsistent one person can be when descibing their own cycle. On one board he is gaining while on this board he isn't. I'm not even going to try to explain that one.
stalemate
New member
i'm not trying to argue, but learn about this specific topic, how come you can take a product with BELOW maint. calories and gain weight, but take a product with above maintenance and it cannot make you lose weight? if it can negate the effect one way, why not the other?Bobo said:
note: i'd be plenty happy with 5 lbs./week muscle OR NOT.
but 5.8 in 2 weeks doesn't impress me knowing that at least 2 is from my diet.edit: i see you answered the question about teh 8 lbs. on a deficit. thanx bobo.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
Do people know that Sesathin often has a negative effect on libido? I found 3 logs in which people are tkaing it yet they are concerned because their libido isn't through the roof.
How the hell do any of these people know what is doing what when they are taking 10 different things?
How the hell do any of these people know what is doing what when they are taking 10 different things?
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
stalemate said:
Because the effects on aldosterone production decrease. You are arguiing over WATER WEIGHT.
Oh I forget you are taking Sesathin right?
Ghosting
Guest
Yes, Max Lmg has the unique ability to make tissue out of nothing. Instead of offering me an explaination as to why it creates new tissue out of nothing, the response I get is it is good. Very scientific. People will say anything over the internet and expect it to be believed, and the doubters who know it makes no sense are the bad guys. Why cant people just tell the truth? Since when can new tissue be created out of nothing?40-yard dash_2 said: